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Like I said, if the early few cases in an area are mild maybe all that needs to be done is limit travel to within that neighbourhood for 2 weeks. In places where more people have greater health risks, more needs to be done to keep people with symptoms from going into those places - or testing people before they go into those places. Those are the places that most need to be protected from carriers.
So in a neighbourhood for 2 weeks cases circulate within it only. People are exposed at the grocery story, at restaurants, etc. Most of the people there are young, maybe a few end up hospitalized but the majority recover. After the 2 weeks are up presymptomatic individuals from the neighbourhood then go back to how things were - some visit elderly relatives, some work in a hospital, etc.
What did the 2 weeks of shutting in a neighbourhood achieve?
 
And "populations" of unrelated racial individuals may behave/react in similar fashions due to proximity, and similar rules.

Our American neighbours are a perfect example of poor "population" control. They're all suffering.
 
And "populations" of unrelated racial individuals may behave/react in similar fashions due to proximity, and similar rules.

Our American neighbours are a perfect example of poor "population" control. They're all suffering.
Some areas are suffering far worse. Poor urban neighbourhoods where POC live in crowded spaces are suffering the most. Maybe not everyone in those neighbourhoods are POC but the majority are, because of socioeconomics.
 
So in a neighbourhood for 2 weeks cases circulate within it only. People are exposed at the grocery story, at restaurants, etc. Most of the people there are young, maybe a few end up hospitalized but the majority recover. After the 2 weeks are up presymptomatic individuals from the neighbourhood then go back to how things were - some visit elderly relatives, some work in a hospital, etc.
What did the 2 weeks of shutting in a neighbourhood achieve?
Close contacts of people who are sick, would need to use common sense, and masks, and distancing, and get preferably get tested before venturing out. That for another two weeks, I guess. Eventually, within weeks not months, it would slow to a halt. Easier to monitor in smaller geographical areas.
 
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Close contacts of people who are sick, would need to use common sense, and masks, and get preferably get tested before venturing out.
That's pretty much already occurring though. Confining people to one neighbourhood for 2 weeks isn't going to prevent it from spreading to the surrounding areas once that 2 weeks is up. On day 12 you get presymptomatic person A at a restaurant who infects people B and C. B and C don't realize they were exposed. On day 15 person B goes back to their job at the hospital in a different neighbourhood, and person C goes to their job at a grocery store in a 3rd neighbourhood. Day 16 B realizes he has symptoms, day 17 person C does, they have already spread it to others.
 
That's pretty much already occurring though. Confining people to one neighbourhood for 2 weeks isn't going to prevent it from spreading to the surrounding areas once that 2 weeks is up. On day 12 you get presymptomatic person A at a restaurant who infects people B and C. B and C don't realize they were exposed. On day 15 person B goes back to their job at the hospital in a different neighbourhood, and person C goes to their job at a grocery store in a 3rd neighbourhood. Day 16 B realizes he has symptoms, day 17 person C does, they have already spread it to others.
If they are in places or going to places where the risk of serious illness isn’t high, then it’s less of a worry. Not every case is a worry. Not even every cluster of cases is a worry. And people who are at more serious risk themselves should take more precautions.

I said before, the people I know in their 70s took the most risks to be out and about. Now, they are suddenly taking it more seriously even though the risk isn’t higher than it was in April. I don’t get it.
 
That's pretty much already occurring though. Confining people to one neighbourhood for 2 weeks isn't going to prevent it from spreading to the surrounding areas once that 2 weeks is up. On day 12 you get presymptomatic person A at a restaurant who infects people B and C. B and C don't realize they were exposed. On day 15 person B goes back to their job at the hospital in a different neighbourhood, and person C goes to their job at a grocery store in a 3rd neighbourhood. Day 16 B realizes he has symptoms, day 17 person C does, they have already spread it to others.
It’s going to cause the cases to peter out faster in smaller areas rather than spreading it out further, continuously, though? The further out infected people go, and the more of them that go, the more it spreads, more exponentially.
 
I haven’t yet met one person or heard of anyone I know having it. I’m surprised by that. I know Northwind knows someone who was pretty sick. She’s the only person I know of who knows someone who’s had it, that I know of, too.
 
It’s going to cause the cases to peter out faster in smaller areas rather than spreading it out further, continuously, though? The further out infected people go, and the more of them that go, the more it spreads, more exponentially.
Sure, it could help in the short term if hospitalization rates are going up or something, depending on how people are getting it and the types of places that's occurring. It's just delaying it short term though. You made it sound like it should be done to shut down for a few weeks and then go back to normal, it's not going to accomplish that.
 
I haven’t yet met one person or heard of anyone I know having it. I’m surprised by that. I know Northwind knows someone who was pretty sick. She’s the only person I know of who knows someone who’s had, it that I know of, too.
I know of people who have had it, not people I know directly. My brother in law's boss, an unnamed individual at the company in Calgary I do know people who work there from school/previous jobs.
In the city, it's about 0.1% who have had it I think.
 
Sure, it could help in the short term if hospitalization rates are going up or something, depending on how people are getting it and the types of places that's occurring. It's just delaying it short term though. You made it sound like it should be done to shut down for a few weeks and then go back to normal, it's not going to accomplish that.
I think we could get back to normal faster if it was tackled in smaller “chunks” of geographical area. That said, if it becomes lucrative to make “bandaids” the cure could be stalled, it could take second place in the free market, and we’ll be talking about bandaids forever - and I don’t want that to be the new normal. Especially when there are other factors that need addressing to make the vulnerable, less vulnerable, overall.
 
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It makes sense that when a deadly virus is found to be on the move - if people don’t have it and they set boundaries around a sensible amount of area that no one can go in or out of for a short time, the virus can’t go anywhere and it will peter out. I figured during this whole time that it was safer to shop in the same places in my neighbourhood than to go to Walmart (I don’t go there often - it’s a shopping trap - but my roommate buys all her groceries there because it’s the cheapest - I tried to suggest a more synchronized plan to shop at the same stores for the time being even if it might cost a few more dollars but she refused- I wanted us to create a bubble of sorts but it didn’t go over well) - because there’s only one Walmart here, it’s central and people from every neighbourhood go there. Same with Costco. Worst places to shop. In fact, I gave my neighbourhood small grocer - a large corner store (I learned they’re called bodegas in some places) with some meat and produce - more business, because it’s the neighbours on foot and bicycle, from the immediate area going there, generally not people from across town. It can get boring, and the prices tend to be higher, but it’s better than getting covid.
 
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It makes sense that when a deadly virus is found to be on the move - if people don’t have it and they set boundaries around a sensible amount of area that no one can go in or out of for a short time, the virus can’t go anywhere and it will peter out. I figured during this whole time that it was safer to shop in the same places in my neighbourhood than to go to Walmart (I don’t go there often but my roommate buys all her groceries there because it’s the cheapest - I tried to suggest a more synchronized plan to shop at the same stores for the time being even if it might cost a few more dollars but she refused) - because there’s only one Walmart here, it’s central and people from every neighbourhood go there. Same with Costco. Worst places to shop. In fact, I gave my neighbourhood small grocer - a large corner store with some meat and produce - more business, because it’s the neighbours on foot and bicycle, from the immediate area going there, generally not people from across town. It can get boring, and the prices tend to be higher, but it’s better than getting covid.
If you have people associating with each other though, 2 weeks isn't enough time for it to stop in that population. Look at the US - we have shut the border down with them for months, if we were to open it up, I would expect to see cases here increase dramatically. What you're suggesting is just a smaller scale of that.

I think something that would help is much more intensive contact tracing. We need many more people to opt into a way to do that though, and to go for testing if they are determined to be a contact.
 
If you have people associating with each other though, 2 weeks isn't enough time for it to stop in that population. Look at the US - we have shut the border down with them for months, if we were to open it up, I would expect to see cases here increase dramatically. What you're suggesting is just a smaller scale of that.

I think something that would help is much more intensive contact tracing. We need many more people to opt into a way to do that though, and to go for testing if they are determined to be a contact.
Not really, because smaller areas could be managed better if only very few exceptions are coming and going from them for a short time. So could contact tracing, without being as invasive as an app. I guess the time could be extended in two week chunks but I really think keeping people in designated areas as long as they have needed amenities in those areas, seems to work. Here, were’re on a big island with several towns and a few cities. We’ve done well. If even smaller regions all behaved like islands this might’ve already almost been completely over by now, if not completely.
 
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I am not sure how you could ever police something like you are suggesting Kimmio. And you would need to lock down people for far longer than two weeks

if person A gets sick, they were infected up to two weeks before that. So there are all the myriad of people they just randomly saw or passed by in that two week period

but now person A knows they are sick so they quarantine, or get hospitalized or whatever. So now all those people they were in contact with need to quarantine. But some Of those people will already be sick, some over the next few days and it just moves Ike a wave. And weeks and weeks go by as some get sick, having infected other people and on and on

i expect that what we will see is things getting back to a new normal. Tables spaced farther apart, lines to get into stores, masks inside, schools either half time or running from 8 to 8 with two sets of classes and teachers, the majority of people who can work remotely doing that with only some office time, offices that have used an open concept will build up walls or dividers to give space.........

the if there is an uptick in a particular spot, those rules will become stricter. A town might have to close indoor eating. Or hockey might have to stop....... I think we will be a long way from ease of travel, a long way from big arenas, a long way from normal school

as we head into normal flu season this fall we will have the same worry or overwhelming hospitals that we had before.

the People who know they are at risk of serious disease will be extra vigilant. Others will relax. A vaccine will arrive but it will not be taken by everyone. Just like the flu shot is not taken by everyone

people will continue to get sick, but they will have better survival rates because the disease is more understood now And treatments are more understood

and hopefully our government will take more seriously the need to stock pile equipment for the next pandemic
 
Not really, because smaller areas could be managed better if only very few exceptions are coming and going from them for a short time. So could contact tracing, without being as invasive as an app. I guess the time could be extended in two week chunks but I really think keeping people in designated areas as long as they have needed amenities in those areas, seems to work. Here, were’re on a big island with several towns and a few cities. We’ve done well. If even smaller regions all behaved like islands this might’ve already almost been completely over by now, if not completely.
It can work for areas that don't already have a problem and don't let many in. It's what's going on in the Eastern provinces. Opening up though opens up to cases. It can also be difficult to keep those who are carrying the virus out. Borders helps, as do geological features. Keeping say Edmonton separate from Calgary? We would need way stricter regulations in general to prevent that crossover.
 
Sick people and immediate contacts quarantined......

What your describing is essentially what is happening in BC. The province has an excellent contact tracing system. People in the contact network are required to do things like getting tested and isolating. As @ChemGal said, outbreaks aren't neighborhood based. They're social network based.
 
What your describing is essentially what is happening in BC. The province has an excellent contact tracing system. People in the contact network are required to do things like getting tested and isolating. As @ChemGal said, outbreaks aren't neighborhood based. They're social network based.
What's being used there currently?
 
Post viral syndromes are fairly common with other diseases as well. I don’t like that they are reporting individual cases and blowing fears out of proportion that way.
Why not? People with fatigue syndrome are often looked upon as not wanting to work and making things up- these cases need to be more public so people learn that even if you don’t see an outside injury you might still not be well and able to work. ( Concussions is another example)
 
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