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Kimmio Laughterlove said:
You live in Alberta, where what Trump has to say about covid is a bigger influence than in many places in Canada. There will be people who break the rules. Here, retail stores were never ordered to close, for example. It was done voluntarily.
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You're in BC in March your position was much closer to Trump's than mine with this.
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
German news showed that they are now researching people post covid. Had the case of a lady who was positive with very few symptoms three months ago, but still is getting bouts of fever and practically has a fatigue syndrome as well as some nerve symptoms. She has a desk job but says she still is not able to go back to work.She looked like age late fourties, early fifties.
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...it’s a travesty that the US is hogging the effective treatment for serious cases.
 
Now, in retrospect, if people can look at it and say, we have two choices: bolt into action for a short time, mostly voluntarily...or live like this forever. I think most people would opt for the former. As long as there is nobody like a Trump in leadership, running his mouth off.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
Now, in retrospect, if people can look at it and say, we have two choices: bolt into action for a short time, mostly voluntarily...or live like this forever. I think most people would opt for the former. As long as there is nobody like a Trump in leadership, running his mouth off.
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If it's something that would work within a 2 week time frame, sure. You haven't described how it would. I even provided an outbreak example.
 
ChemGal said:
You're in BC in March your position was much closer to Trump's than mine with this.
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I get the feeling you are content to live like this for the very long term, and would want the world even more hermetically sealed. I don’t. I don’t see that as a long term way of life. It’s not living. It’s existing.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
I get the feeling you are content to live like this for the very long term, and would want the world even more hermetically sealed. I don’t. I don’t see that as a long term way of life. It’s not living. It’s existing.
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Where do you get that idea from?
I'm being realistic. I work with what's happening.
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
German news showed that they are now researching people post covid. Had the case of a lady who was positive with very few symptoms three months ago, but still is getting bouts of fever and practically has a fatigue syndrome as well as some nerve symptoms. She has a desk job but says she still is not able to go back to work.She looked like age late fourties, early fifties.
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Post viral syndromes are fairly common with other diseases as well. I don’t like that they are reporting individual cases and blowing fears out of proportion that way.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
Wherever Conservatives are prevalent the response has been less effective.
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Not really. It's been difficult in parts of Ontario, particularly those that are really dense, and close to the U.S., but overall, I would say our response has been responsible. I still think Doug Ford is an idiot, but not over this, particularly.
 
ChemGal said:
Where do you get that idea from?
I'm being realistic. I work with what's happening.
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Some the ongoing solutions you are in favour of don’t look at root problems. Social ones. Like, racial profiling of disease prevalence. You jumped on that before thinking about why more people of colour are getting underlying disease that puts them at risk. Studying their genetics is a dangerous place to start. It is a systemic and socio-economic problem, not a genetic difference. That’s why I think science can sometimes add to problems. Sometimes. Can’t see the forest for the trees.

Building things like God Pods for churches are bandaids that could create other problems, but they are profitable in the short term.
 
ChemGal said:
Here's a real life example @Kimmio Laughterlove that you can use to explain it.
The outbreak with the Misericordia started on June 21 in terms of positive tests. 14 days goes to July 4, inclusive.
There were still new cases happening, the most recent ones I have heard on occurred on July 9, there may be more that still occur.

How big of an area/how many people would you have expected to stay within that area? For how long?

Also, cases are accounted by residents, not where contracted, so while the Misercordia is considered to be the outbreak location, the workers/patients can account for various subhealth zones. That's true of many workplaces as well where outbreaks can occur - so how is that aspect handled?
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I need more details. How many of this outbreak are hospitalized due to covid alone?

I’d say, first if there’s an outbreak in your area, don’t go to work for two weeks unless you are an essential worker with adequately adjusted compensation (ie higher pay). In the future, plans can be made for that.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
I need more details. How many of this outbreak are hospitalized due to covid alone?
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As far as I know, none. 1 patient died from non-COVID but had COVID. 5 patiens died due to COVID. 16 other patients have not died, some have gone home. 16 staff have COVID, as far as I know, none are hospitalized. There have been some cases outside of the hospital connected to the oubreak, as far as I know none of them have been hospitalized.

I think that's the most up to date numbers. The way things were reported on Thursday stopped from giving total numbers and were stating things like 'people in hospital' - hard to determine how many cases were new if people were able to be discharged.
 
Another thing is, if the majority of cases in a region are mild then maybe all that needs to be done in that region is limit travel for a short time. If, in poorer areas with more health risks maybe more needs to be done. Nursing homes need better contingency plans.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
Some the ongoing solutions you are in favour of don’t look at root problems. Social ones. Like, racial profiling of disease prevalence. You jumped on that before thinking about why more people of colour are getting underlying disease that puts them at risk. Studying their genetics is a dangerous place to start. It is a systemic and socio-economic problem, not a genetic difference. That’s why I think science can sometimes add to problems. Sometimes. Can’t see the forest for the trees.

Building things like God Pods for churches are bandaids that could create other problems, but they are profitable in the short term.
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Such as?
The population genetics (not racial profiling) is one aspect to consider. The example I provided is one that's shown to be wrong, it doesn't mean that population genetics is junk science altogether. Using population genetics doesn't mean that other aspects should be ignored. They are not mutually exclusive. It's not all or not.
 
ChemGal said:
As far as I know, none. 1 patient died from non-COVID but had COVID. 5 patiens died due to COVID. 16 other patients have not died, some have gone home. 16 staff have COVID, as far as I know, none are hospitalized. There have been some cases outside of the hospital connected to the oubreak, as far as I know none of them have been hospitalized.
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Patient 1 should not be included as a covid related death. Did the five who died have underlying conditions? How at risk of dying, statistically, would they be from other viruses besides covid? (If they were already very vulnerable or not makes a difference for the overall risk factor).
 
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ChemGal said:
Such as?
The population genetics (not racial profiling) is one aspect to consider. The example I provided is one that's shown to be wrong, it doesn't mean that population genetics is junk science altogether. Using population genetics doesn't mean that other aspects should be ignored. They are not mutually exclusive. It's not all or not.
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Racial genetics - studying of - is wrong. Studying groups of people who share superficial characteristics, to look at their potential weaknesses is wrong. It’s bulls**t and it’s political. Because then socioeconomic problems get linked to genetics, instead of to bad systems. All kinds of horrors have been committed for science, in that way.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
Patient 1 should not be included as a covid related death. Did the five who died have underlying conditions? How at risk of dying, statistically would they be from other viruses besides covid?
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They were removed as a COVID related death - they were included initially but then were excluded.
Since the others were patients, I think it's fair to assume underlying conditions.

I don't understand the need for these answers with your 2 week neighbourhood idea.
 
ChemGal said:
They were removed as a COVID related death - they were included initially but then were excluded.
Since the others were patients, I think it's fair to assume underlying conditions.

I don't understand the need for these answers with your 2 week neighbourhood idea.
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Like I said, if the early few cases in an area are mild maybe all that needs to be done is limit travel to within that neighbourhood for 2 weeks. In places where more people have greater health risks, more needs to be done to keep people with symptoms from going into those places - or testing people before they go into those places. Those are the places that most need to be protected from carriers.

For example...more important that otherwise healthy people with mild symptoms stay away from areas where there are more homeless people, to protect the homeless people. But not such a huge deal if nearly everyone in a confined neighbourhood who catches it is only getting mild symptoms.
 
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