I think Canada has (had) a healthy society. BC had a healthier population, except I worry about the homeless. Italy has other factors...politics not withstanding. They have a far right defacto leader. Who really knows what biased decisions are being made there. They first tried to tie this to the migrant crisis because the leadership is racist and xenophobic. They also have very old decaying (as lively as they look) buildings and narrow pedestrian streets where it could pass. Possibly poorer hygiene among the elderly (men I read were at higher risk partly due to hand washing) ... and in some really old villas, less access to running water, so it’s not entirely their fault. Same with Spain...old parts Europe have lots of pedestrian streets and also they do have more pda tendencies, culturally, in parts of Europe, that are harder to break.
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But as far as I understand 'the approach' ...
As Minister of Health, Hajdu oversees the Department of Health Canada and the Public Health Agency of Canada, key agencies coordinating the Canadian government's response to the 2020 coronavirus pandemic in Canada.
On March 25, Hajdu informed the Senate that she would invoke the Quarantine Act effective at midnight.
Federally Mandating ... Front and Center of the Government approach.
So basically what she says will be the ring to rule them all ?
Nope. I don’t think the numbers here on Vancouver Island show there will be anything like a cull - our numbers have been low all along and cases are not increasing or are increasing very slowly - and we had 3 deaths of very elderly persons - as long as they don’t open up tourism and mainland travel too soon.
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Imagine if this was happening at every single similar facility - all at once - Canada nursing home reels from death of almost half its residents
Don't forget in BC, there were issues with the residents getting fed and very basic care in one place weeks ago.
Don't forget in BC, there were issues with the residents getting fed and very basic care in one place weeks ago.
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Even with a healthier society than Italy, there are still deaths occurring. There is still long term affects for some of those who do not die.
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No. It seems you are essentially saying that we need to open things up again because it's only people over 80 who are dying. That suggests that you're okay with that. That sounds like a cull.
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Plus just turning a blind eye to the fact that it's not just people 80 and over dying.
And lets cull all of those who need urgent medical care during the pandemic too, because that's going to be tough to get. Or do we just not let anyone with COVID-19 not get treatment? What about those who are sick AND end up in a car accident?
Actually, requiring all return travellers to self quarantine for 14 days is a good idea. Requiring everyone to basically be locked down in their homes all day for several months is not.
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We're not locked down.
Nope. We had 3 people 80-90 die, of all deaths on Vancouver Island. That’s not alarming. The life expectancy is 80.5 here. If they didn’t die of covid they may have died of an infected hip fracture the following week. People do not live forever. Use your common sense. What would be alarming is if it was killing people in great numbers well below the life expectancy, and kids. It’s not. Here, it’s not even killing the very elderly in higher numbers. Of course we don’t want to lose loved ones, it’s always sad, but at that age it’s not alarming. We should perhaps be isolating them (getting out for a walk, some fresh air is ok), but not everyone. Most cases here, even of seniors because we have many (and maybe they are healthier here) have not required hospitalization.
I do not wish for anyone to die, I am saying look at the circumstances here for what they are. The cases and deaths themselves do not represent a dramatic change here. So I don’t see why life needs to dramatically change for months and months. We’ve already flattened the curve, which on Vancouver Island, was a really little bump.
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We cannot socialize. We cannot sit across a table. We are under house arrest, limited to the grocery store.
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We're not under house arrest. It's more than just grocery stores. A fair bit of retail is open for curbside pickup. We can go outside. For socialization, we can call, skype, facetime, etc. People in waiting rooms talk to each other.
I'll be making some paper easter eggs to stick in my windows. Many with kids plan to go for a walk and look for them.
That’s house arrest. Particularly for those without kids. That’s about what people under house arrest can do. They can do limited things within limited times within a limited area.
I think it was in Georgia, somewhere in the Deep South, they had ankle monitors on some people they were monitoring for self isolation.
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My husband was out of the city yesterday. My sister's kids were out playing today.
Self isolation is obviously different.
Well, I haven’t been outside my neighbourhood in months and I was given s**t here for going to the grocery store too much.
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No one is there stopping you from leaving the neighbourhood though.
Then you need to know how long the immunity lasts.....a month, a season, a lifetime....?
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Bill Gates Q's & A's ...
Q: “What changes are we going to have to make to how businesses operate to maintain our economy while providing social distancing?”
A: “The question of which businesses should keep going is tricky. Certainly food supply and the health system. We still need water, electricity and the internet. Supply chains for critical things need to be maintained. Countries are still figuring out what to keep running. Eventually we will have some digital certificates to show who has recovered or been tested recently or when we have a vaccine who has received it.”
Q: “Digital certificates? Are you saying each person individually will receive a document that says we were tested? Can that be used against us?” Is a “digital certificate” essentially a “digital ID microchip” that will be implanted under a person’s skin?
A: “… Microsoft and MIT developed ‘tatoo markers’ that show whether you have received a vaccine or not. This will be coupled with Gate’s new invention, ID2020, which is a digital ID microchip implanted under the skin.”
ID2020’s official website describes itself as “setting the course of digital ID through a multi-stakeholder partnership” and assures its clients that digital ID will be “responsibly implemented and widely accessible.”
I’m Bill Gates, co-chair of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. AMA …
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Bill Gates Calls for a “Digital Certificate” to Identify Who Received COVID-19 Vaccine
Bill Gates recently stated on Reddit that
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Ritafee
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I suspect that there is more to the Quarantine Act than just a 14 day good idea for returning travellers.
I will read it (again) ... I could be wrong.