Bible Study Thread: Luke

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paradox3 said:
It seems fair to ask which writings Jesus might have meant.
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Well, obviously it was NOT the New Testament.

Then there's a bunch of questions, which might or might not be important. Which Jewish canon? There's the one that's preserved in the Catholic canon, including several books that are Apocryphal to the contemporary Jewish canon. Also, the Mishnah of the Talmud had been written by this point, although the Gemara would not be written for another 500 years.
 
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It was to the rich ruler. Now, you can argue that the commandment is only for rich rulers, but it was certainly an additional commandment from Jesus to him. And if it only applies to the ruling class, wonder why it's in there? There's a lot more of us than them.
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So you contend that after Jesus said that no one was good, but one, the young ruler demonstrated that he was good. So Jesus had to make up a new rule quick so that Jesus wouldn’t look stupid.

No, Jesus didn’t come to save the righteous, but sinners. This guy claims to be righteous, I bet the commandments Jesus laid on him were fresh on his mind. But he said, no I don’t sin.

So Jesus shut him up. Drop your idols and follow me - the one true God.
 
Todays Scripture

Luke 18:31-34 EXB

Jesus Will Rise from the Dead
31 Then Jesus took ·the twelve apostles [L the Twelve] aside and said to them, “[L Look; T Behold] We are going [L up] to Jerusalem. Everything the prophets wrote about the Son of Man will ·happen [be fulfilled/completed/accomplished].

32 He will be turned over to the Gentiles [C the Roman authorities]. They will ·laugh at [mock] him, insult him, spit on him,

33 ·beat him with whips [flog him; T scourge him], and kill him. But on the third day, he will rise to life again.”

34 ·The apostles [L They] did not understand this; the meaning was hidden from them, and they did not ·realize [comprehend] what was said.


unsafe says ---this scripture is self explanatory ---Jesus is the focus here ------as He is in all scripture ---this is why He was sent by His Father ----to Save all who accept Him in their Hearts -----to fulfill what humans couldn't -----
 
Summary: Luke 18: 35 - 43

As Jesus approached Jericho, a blind man was sitting by the side of the road, begging. When he heard the commotion and learned what was happening, he cried out to Jesus for mercy. He was told to be quiet but continued to shout out.

Jesus stood still and ordered the man to be brought to him. He asked the man what he wanted, and the blind man said he wanted to be able to see again.

Jesus said, "Receive your sight, your faith has saved you."

The man immediately regained his sight and followed Him, glorifying God. All the people, when they saw it, praised God.
 
Reflection: Luke 18: 35 - 43

The other synoptic gospels have parallel stories about Jesus healing the blind at Jericho.

Some of the details vary. In Mark, the blind man has a name (Bartimaeus) and in Matthew, there are two blind men.

As always, when I read these stories of miraculous healing, I wonder. Why is healing so emphasized in the gospels? Was Jesus truly able to perform healing in a physical sense? What was the role of hope which Jesus surely would have imparted? Did the blindness in this case have a psychosomatic component?

Or is the physical ailment a metaphor for spiritual malaise? This is the explanation that makes the most sense to me, but still I wonder.

I like today's story. It is not difficult to picture the crowds, the disciples hushing the blind man and his loud voice ringing out. And in the midst of all this, Jesus stood still.

Jesus stood still. After restoring the man's sight, Jesus told him his faith had saved him.

The One we follow stood still. I don't often think about this although we have read about Him going off to pray many times. Here, probably in the midst of chaos, He stood still.

He stood still. This is the biggest takeaway for me from today's text.

I am reminded of the hymn, Come and Find the Quiet Center. VU 374
 
He stood still. Sometimes just being in the presence of someone can be a healing comfort.

Years ago a friend's husband died suddenly in his early 40s. She was devastated. During the visitation period at the funeral home, people buzzed around offering their sympathy and condolences, often hugging her, but also asking her questions, sharing memories, wanting to help but not knowing what to do, and sometimes just visiting with one another as they stood around. I could see that she was exhausted after two hours of shaking hands and reassuring people that she would be okay. During a pause, she turned to me and ask, 'why don't they just go home? ' But visiting hours were coming to an end and people did start leaving. I got up to go too, but she grabbed my arm: 'just sit with me a while.' She asked. So we sat in silence. After a bit she felt better, and we walked out together.
Silence – that's all I had to offer, but it seemed to be what she needed at that time. That was about 40 years ago, I tried to remember it when I feel obliged just to do something.

Jesus loving presence may have been the miracle that this blind person needed.
 
That is wonderful @Seeler.

When Jewish people sit shiva with the bereaved, hospitality is provided at the shiva house and guests take their lead from the bereaved. As a shiva guest you remain quiet or you talk or you laugh or you cry . . . whatever the family would like. I understand it is the responsibility of the guests to discern this as nothing, absolutely nothing, is expected from the bereaved.

In Jewish tradition burial takes place quickly and shiva is afterwards for a set period of time. Maybe a month. I think there is also something of a ritual in rising from shiva. Uncovering the mirrors, things like that.

Yes, sometimes sitting with someone in silence is an enormous gift.

Thanks for your post. These bible study threads are sometimes slow although they seem to get plenty of views.
 
Thanks for your kind words. I know from experience of my thread about Bible reading last year – I sometimes wondered if anybody was reading it but me, and I really appreciated comments.
 
Interesting that there is no mention of spit or spit being mixed with clay in this narrative. Only faith is involved.
 
Waterfall said:
Interesting that there is no mention of spit or spit being mixed with clay in this narrative. Only faith is involved.
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Where is that story about the spit? I remember it but I don't know where to find it.

It is not in either of the parallel accounts of today's text (Matthew 20: 29-34; Mark 10: 46-52)
 
Good old Bible Gateway. Looking up "mixing clay with saliva" got me the answer.

John 9:1-12

It looks to be a different incident than the healing of the blind man (men) in the synoptic gospels.
 
Todays Scripture -----

Luke 18:35-43 GW


Jesus Gives Sight to a Blind Man
35 As Jesus came near Jericho, a blind man was sitting and begging by the road. 36 When he heard the crowd going by, he tried to find out what was happening. 37 The people told him that Jesus from Nazareth was passing by. 38 Then the blind man shouted, “Jesus, Son of David, have mercy on me!” 39 The people at the front of the crowd told the blind man to be quiet. But he shouted even louder, “Son of David, have mercy on me!”

40 Jesus stopped and ordered them to bring the man to him. When the man came near, Jesus asked him, 41 “What do you want me to do for you?”

The blind man said, “Lord, I want to see again.”

42 Jesus told him, “Receive your sight! Your faith has made you well.” 43 Immediately, he could see again. He followed Jesus and praised God. All the people saw this, and they, too, praised God.


unsafe says -----We see Jesus healing a blind man who kept asking and never gave up seeking out Jesus to get healed ---This shows he had faith in who Jesus was and believed by this Faith that He could heal him ------ We see that persistence in asking and seeking and knocking pays off in the end and we should Praise and Thank God for His Great Grace and Mercy for all He does for us which this man does ----giving God the Glory He rightly deserves ------We should be like the blind man eagerly and fervently seeking Him to open our eyes and to show us the great value in The Good New message He came to Preach to the world ------
 
paradox3 said:
Where is that story about the spit? I remember it but I don't know where to find it.

It is not in either of the parallel accounts of today's text (Matthew 20: 29-34; Mark 10: 46-52)
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Mark 8:22-25 Jesus actually has to heal this man twice to remove his blindness....once with spit and once by laying on of hands...and in john spit is mentioned.
 
Waterfall said:
Mark 8:22-25 Jesus actually has to heal this man twice to remove his blindness....once with spit and once by laying on of hands...and in john spit is mentioned.
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Ah yes. The Mark 8 story is yet another one about the healing of blindness. This story involves both saliva and the laying on of hands.

The Mark 10 and the Matthew 20 stories are the parallels of today's text from Luke 18. No spit involved.

John 9 is yet another incident, as far as I can tell, and the saliva is mixed with mud. My bible doesn't call it a parallel of any other.

Always good to become more biblically literate, I guess. :)

I have been noticing as we work through the synoptic gospels, some of the same stories appear in different places in the respective narratives. So we often have this difference as well as the details varying.
 
paradox3 said:
I have been noticing as we work through the synoptic gospels, some of the same stories appear in different places in the respective narratives. So we often have this difference as well as the details varying.
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Yes, one of the reasons why trying to conflate 4 different stories of the same person is often misleading.
 
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