Bible Study Thread: Luke

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blackbelt1961 -----is right for what he posted for good ------

this is the Greek word used in that scripture for good -----

Strong's Concordance
agathos: good
Original Word: ἀγαθός, ή, όν
Part of Speech: Adjective

18 agathós – inherently (intrinsically) good; as to the believer, 18(agathós) describes what originates from God and is empoweredby Him in their life, through faith.

; preeminently of God, as consummately and essentially good, Luke 18:19);

 

[Waterfall]

Sure, but why would Jesus have objected to being called good Himself?

The rich young ruler called Jesus "Good Teacher". (v. 18)

He responded, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone." (v. 19)

This is just one passage that points me towards Jesus as being annointed by God rather than God Himself. This does not discredit his teachings or his sacrifice on the cross or how important Jesus was in Gods eyes and should be for us....IMHO.....

 

[blackbelt1961]

blackbelt1961 -----is right for what he posted for good ------

this is the Greek word used in that scripture for good -----

Strong's Concordance
agathos: good
Original Word: ἀγαθός, ή, όν
Part of Speech: Adjective

18 agathós – inherently (intrinsically) good; as to the believer, 18(agathós) describes what originates from God and is empoweredby Him in their life, through faith.

; preeminently of God, as consummately and essentially good, Luke 18:19);

yes,,, the people saw all the good works Jesus did, so they called Him Good but denied His deity so Jesus was right in asking

why you calling me Good? only God is Good, so if your calling me Good , I must be

God

 

[paradox3]

When the rich young ruler called Jesus "Good Teacher" he may not have been saying Jesus was divine.

And this text may have nothing at all to do with what we read in John's gospel about Jesus calling himself the "Good Shepherd".

 

[blackbelt1961]

This is just one passage that points me towards Jesus as being annointed by God rather than God Himself. This does not discredit his teachings or his sacrifice on the cross or how important Jesus was in Gods eyes and should be for us....IMHO.....

the problem with you thinking that Jesus was anointed and not God is contradictive of the work Jesus did on the Cross for humanity, here is why,,,

If Jesus is not God, then Jesus committed a greater act of Love than God did because Jesus saves humanity, and we know that is Not true because God the Creator is the greatest supreme Love that exists, so Jesus could not have committed a greater act of love over and above the Creator , the only conclusion is Jesus and God must be Equal in status which makes Jesus God

 

[Waterfall]

the problem with you thinking that Jesus was anointed and not God is contradictive of the work Jesus did on the Cross for humanity, here is why,,,

If Jesus is not God, then Jesus committed a greater act of Love than God did because Jesus saves humanity, and we know that is Not true because God the Creator is the greatest supreme Love that exists

Jesus points the way to God IMHO....

 

[paradox3]

This is one of those examples one needs to read all the gospels to come to a proper understanding,

When we get to John's gospel in the fall, I hope to establish firmer rules against bringing other scriptures into our discussions. As you are aware, I have not ruled it out for the synoptic gospels. But I would like to set the John thread up differently.

Of course, this means I will be obliged to follow the guideline myself.

I have sometimes found it valuable to compare parallel accounts of the same story. Spin-off threads can always be set up to do this if we think some of the text calls for it.

But I am getting ahead of myself here. Approval of the mods is required to start a new thread in the Book Study forum and that includes approval of the opening post/ thread guidelines.

 

[paradox3]

Jesus points the way to God IMHO....

I kind of occupy the middle ground which says Jesus is a manifestation of God. But I digress.

 

[blackbelt1961]

When the rich young ruler called Jesus "Good Teacher" he may not have been saying Jesus was divine.

And this text may have nothing at all to do with what we read in John's gospel about Jesus calling himself the "Good Shepherd".

well, this is a good example of reading into 1/10 of all who Jesus is.

Courts of Justice do not do that when passing Judgement, they take into account the complete life of an accused before passing Judgement.

so why do we not do that of Jesus?

 

[blackbelt1961]

Jesus points the way to God IMHO....

that is a part of it

 

[paradox3]

that is a part of it

Agreeing that there are many ways to answer the question Jesus asked Peter, "Who do you say I am?"

 

[blackbelt1961]

Agreeing that there are many ways to answer the question Jesus asked Peter, "Who do you say I am?"

I though we were sticking to Luke

 

[paradox3]

Courts of Justice do not do that when passing Judgement, they take into account the complete life of an accused before passing Judgement.

No, I would not say they do this.

Have you ever served on a jury in a Court of Justice? I had the experience several years ago and the complete life of the accused was certainly not considered. Testimony by witnesses was confined to the facts of the case.

Even at this, there was much discussion between the lawyers & judge re: what would be allowed in court. We were frequently sent out of the courtroom for this reason because the jury is not privy to such conversation.

 

[paradox3]

I though we were sticking to Luke

Luke 9: 18-20

We discussed the text earlier on this thread.

 

[Mendalla]

No, I would not say they do this.

Have you ever served on a jury in a Court of Justice? I had the experience several years ago and the complete life of the accused was certainly not considered. Testimony by witnesses was confined to the facts of the case.

Even at this, there was much discussion between the lawyers & judge re: what would be allowed in court. We were frequently sent out of the courtroom for this reason because the jury is not privy to such conversation.

In fact, the goal of the lawyers is generally to keep things focussed as strictly as possible on the facts relevant to the specific case. The history may be brought forward if it is germane or speaks to motive or opportunity, e.g. if the accused has committed similar offenses in the past, but even then they confine it to those facts. Now, in sentencing, they might take into account things that could be considered mitigating factors, e.g. if the person was abused and such, but that's still under the control of the judge and lawyers who will try to make sure only facts relevant to the sentence are brought out.

 

[blackbelt1961]

No, I would not say they do this.

Actually, that's exactly what they do, they take into account the life and character of a person as well.

Have you ever served on a jury in a Court of Justice?

I have yes, I have been a juror back in my 40s in Brampton Superior court, I was also in court many times for my younger brother who had constant legal problems, who passed away some 5 yrs now.

I have also spoken about this with my cousin who is a Justice of the Peace in Toronto, I have spoken about this also with another cousin who was one of the arresting officers in Toronto of Carl Francis Roy who murdered, Alison Parrott and My cousin also was part of the arresting team in the Paul Bernardo murder case.

life and character of an accuse always comes into play at sentencing but not during a trial because they do not want the specific chargers to be biased in any way. which is why I said, only when passing Judgement at sentencing.

Remember is the Judge who makes Judgment on a sentence based on the Jurys guilty verdict

 

[Pontifex Geronimo 13]

I kind of occupy the middle ground which says Jesus is a manifestation of God. But I digress.

Jesus does not reject the title good teacher. So, you are reading something into this text that is not there.

He does say no one is good but one. Then in answer to the question, “what must I do?”, Jesus lays out a bit of the law.

The young ruler, then lies, and says, basically, I’m good!

So Jesus could have argued any of those sins, but instead goes for the big one.

You shall have no other gods before me.

The bible says none of us have kept the first one.

And that’s why we need a saviour.

One other thing:

Interpreting scripture should be done in light of other scripture, not apart from. That is foolishness. That lets you come to a mixed bag of bs, never moving ahead.

Jesus said he came to testify to the truth.

 

[Waterfall]

Jesus does not reject the title good teacher. So, you are reading something into this text that is not there.

He does say no one is good but one. Then in answer to the question, “what must I do?”, Jesus lays out a bit of the law.

The young ruler, then lies, and says, basically, I’m good!

So Jesus could have argued any of those sins, but instead goes for the big one.

You shall have no other gods before me.

The bible says none of us have kept the first one.

And that’s why we need a saviour.

One other thing:

Interpreting scripture should be done in light of other scripture, not apart from. That is foolishness. That lets you come to a mixed bag of bs, never moving ahead.

Jesus said he came to testify to the truth.

Personally my opinion is not based on one line of scripture...I cant speak for Paradox.

 

[paradox3]

life and character of an accuse always comes into play at sentencing but not during a trial because they do not want the specific chargers to be biased in any way. which is why I said, only when passing Judgement at sentencing.

Okay, this clarifies things. Thank you for that.

I was talking about the trial itself. The time I served on a jury we delivered a not guilty verdict.

The sentencing process is a different thing which I have not witnessed, personally.

 

[paradox3]

Interpreting scripture should be done in light of other scripture, not apart from. That is foolishness. That lets you come to a mixed bag of bs, never moving ahead.

In my opinion, there is a place for both.

It is not foolishness to look at one gospel at a time. This has been my goal on these threads (Matthew, Mark, Luke). As I said earlier, I plan to use the same approach for John with tighter guidelines if they are approved by the moderators here.

If there are biblical truths you wish to explore using a different approach, you are free to begin threads on that basis. And I hope you will. As always, we can learn from each other.