Bible Study Thread: Luke

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blackbelt1961 said:
I just checked, other than Chansen's typicals , all the posts since your first post of Luke 6:37-42 , at # 631, have been comments on that particular passage
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Not in my view. I consider @unsafe to have taken us off topic although I understand how she got there. Her approach to scripture allows any passage in the bible to be used to explain any other.

I would very much like us to focus on the text at hand, as almost everyone else has managed to do here.

The lengthy posts which get into other scriptures tend to disrupt the flow of discussion on the thread IMO.
 
paradox3 said:
Not in my view. I consider @unsafe to have taken us off topic although I understand how she got there. Her approach to scripture allows any passage in the bible to be used to explain any other.
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but a lot of times we need to understand the character of Jesus & the times through other passages, to get a good understanding of what we are studying.

The lengthy posts which get into other scriptures tend to disrupt the flow of discussion on the thread IMO.
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like I posted earlier, scripture usually interprets itself, to understand a passage sometimes we look to other passage to understand Character, context and Times of writings and to whom it was written to . That's Honest biblical study, you cannot stick to one passage and Hope to get Truth out of it because for one, there are no numbered passages, they were inserted for ease of the reader, that's it.

back to Luke
 
blackbelt 1961 -----I see what you are saying and Thanks for your post ------

I did say this in my post on page 33 ---
unsafe says -----
----Believers are called to Judge rightly other believers -----that is by Scripture -----God word is God's Judgment ----Jesus is the Word --So God Judges by His Word ------

this is interesting read -----There are different Greek words for judgment ----there is divine judgment but then there is a Judgment which scrutinize behaviour ----

unsafe posting here ----Read all if Interested

Word Study: Judge and Judgment
Word Study: Judge and Judgment
When considering the question of proper Biblical judging, especially in relation to others, we often turn to this familiar passage Matthew 7

God chose to communicate His will to us on this important topic (judging others), this article will provide a survey of multiple lexicons and dictionaries as well as a catalog of every New Testament reference for the following related Greek words:


Back to Luke ----
 
blackbelt1961 said:
but a lot of times we need to understand the character of Jesus & the times through other passages, to get a good understanding of what we are studying.
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Or maybe we need to understand the text we are studying, to get a good understanding of the character of Jesus.


blackbelt1961 said:
like I posted earlier, scripture usually interprets itself, to understand a passage sometimes we look to other passage to understand Character, context and Times of writings and to whom it was written to . That's Honest biblical study, you cannot stick to one passage and Hope to get Truth out of it because for one, there are no numbered passages, they were inserted for ease of the reader, that's it.
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No. People interpret Scripture. When someone says that Scripture interprets itself, 987.6 % of the time it it an individual's interpretation of another passage of Scripture,usually managing to conflate their own two interpretations of two separate passages.
 
Redbaron said:
No. People interpret Scripture. When someone says that Scripture interprets itself, 987.6 % of the time it it an individual's interpretation of another passage of Scripture,usually managing to conflate their own two interpretations of two separate passages.
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what do you think it means By saying "Scripture interprets itself"
 
blackbelt1961 said:
it's what they call hermeneutical approach to understanding, scholars use it, pastors use it, which is an honest approach, to allow scripture to speak for its self as much as we humanly can, thats called honesty.
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It's really the Closed Circle approach, or the Black Hole of thought, as no new thoughts or thinking is ever allowed. Rather than Scripture speaking for itself, some authority figure or other has decreed and declared THIS INTERPRETATION ONLY as the "right" one.

I do remember hearing it said years ago (By whom, I no longer remember, alas) that to you, your log looks like specks, and everyone else's specks look like logs. Just a thought to ponder.
 
blackbelt1961 said:
it's what they call hermeneutical approach to understanding, scholars use it, pastors use it, which is an honest approach, to allow scripture to speak for its self as much as we humanly can, thats called honesty.
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IT is certainly a valid hermeneutical tool used by many. It is especially important when weighing what the whole of Scripture has to say on a point. However, like any other hermeneutical tool, it should never be the only approach brought to a passage. And when used properly it allows (or forces) us to acknowledge that there are topics on which Scripture does not speak with one voice.
 
Redbaron said:
It's really the Closed Circle approach, or the Black Hole of thought, as no new thoughts or thinking is ever allowed. Rather than Scripture speaking for itself, some authority figure or other has decreed and declared THIS INTERPRETATION ONLY as the "right" one.
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actually no sorry, all it means is simply that the scripture must harmonize with its basic spiritual principles, trying to examine one passage we approach it to what the whole Bible says about the character and nature of God & Jesus throughout scripture to get a good understanding.

nothing wrong with new thoughts or thinking, it's been going on since 2000 yrs ago, as long as it harmonizes as I mentioned above, otherwise, there is a real danger of inserting our understanding above Gods and we will lose scripture completely by silencing God
 
GordW said:
IT is certainly a valid hermeneutical tool used by many. It is especially important when weighing what the whole of Scripture has to say on a point. However, like any other hermeneutical tool, it should never be the only approach brought to a passage. And when used properly it allows (or forces) us to acknowledge that there are topics on which Scripture does not speak with one voice.
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totally agree, whatever approaches are uses are good to our deeper understanding as long as it follows the basic principles of the nature and character of God/Jesus throughout scripture.
 
Luke 37-42

Luke 6:37-42 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
Be Careful About Criticizing Others

37 “Don’t judge others, and God will not judge you. Don’t condemn others, and you will not be condemned. Forgive others, and you will be forgiven.

unsafe says ----This is the Greek word used here for Judge -----this speaks for itself

krinó: to judge, decide
Original Word: κρίνω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: krinó
Phonetic Spelling: (kree'-no)
Definition: to judge, decide
We only judge (2919 /krínō) accurately by intelligent comparison and contrast based on God's word, i.e. to approve (prefer) what is correct and reject what is inferior (wrong).


38 Give to others, and you will receive. You will be given much. It will be poured into your hands—more than you can hold. You will be given so much that it will spill into your lap. The way you give to others is the way God will give to you.”

unsafe says
This Scripture here ---is all Promises ----when you see I WILL --IT WILL ---that is God Promising Believers that He will deliver on what He says here ----God gets the Glory for our giving ---and there are stipulations for this giving -----we are to give with a Willing Heart ---a Thankful Heart and a Cheerful Heart ---there is to be no fear or doubt in our giving out -----We are to Trust God in our Giving


39 Jesus told them this story: “Can a blind man lead another blind man? No. Both of them will fall into a ditch. 40 Students are not better than their teacher. But when they have been fully taught, they will be like their teacher.

unsafe says
This Scripture is so important -----the Church is only as good as it's Preacher -----if the preacher is no Blind to God's Truth then his teaching will led the Church to there Blindness in receiving the False truth and will be headed for the eternal torment road -----But a Preacher who is Schooled in the Truth of the Word then The Church will also be hearing the true Word and they will be headed for the eternal life road -----Preachers need to start caring where they are leading their Sheep -----



41 “Why do you notice the small piece of dust that is in your friend’s eye, but you don’t see the big piece of wood that is in your own eye?

unsafe says ----this is talking to Believers ----

It is easy to see another Believers faults than it is to see our own -----As Believers we need to keep a close check on our own behaviour and make sure we are maturing in our walk with Christ and be diligent in our need to keep ourselves on the right Road instead of being on the lookout for what others are doing -----The Pharisees are a good example always complaining about what the Disciples were doing and not doing when their practices were way off base themselves -----


42 You say to your friend, ‘Let me get that little piece of dust out of your eye.’ Why do you say this? Can’t you see that big piece of wood in your own eye? You are a hypocrite. First, take the wood out of your own eye. Then you will see clearly to get the dust out of your friend’s eye.


unsafe says ------This is about True and False Prophets ----Wolves in Sheep's clothing ---they are whitewashed on the outside but dirty on the inside ---they are Hypocrites ---A good tree cannot bear bad Fruit ====A bad tree bears bad Fruit ---so you know them by the fruits they bear ---The tree that bears bad fruit is cut down and thrown into the fiery furnace along with his Church -----The Good Tree that bears good fruit is Saved and so his Church --Heaven Bound
 
Maybe a thread about how Believers are called to keep each other accountable would be a good idea, @unsafe.

It seems to be a theme in many of your recent posts.
 
blackbelt1961 said:
it's what they call hermeneutical approach to understanding, scholars use it, pastors use it, which is an honest approach, to allow scripture to speak for its self as much as we humanly can, thats called honesty.
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Scripture interpreting itself, sola scriptura, is a hermeneutic approach originally linked to the Lutheran Reformation which argued that Scripture alone, NOT Scripture and the church, is the source of Christian revelation. The idea was the Scripture alone, not papal authority, clerical dogma, or church tradition, informs Christian thought.

While sola scriptura was originally intended to be empowering for communities of faith, like all claims to Divine authority, it has the power to be cruel and abusive.
 
DaisyJane said:
Scripture interpreting itself, sola scriptura, is a hermeneutic approach originally linked to the Lutheran Reformation which argued that Scripture alone, NOT Scripture and the church, is the source of Christian revelation. The idea was the Scripture alone, not papal authority, clerical dogma, or church tradition, informs Christian thought.

While sola scriptura was originally intended to be empowering for communities of faith, like all claims to Divine authority, it has the power to be cruel and abusive.
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Sola scriptura , and what I described above are two different things I'm not sure how you think they're both one and the same
 
Okay? How so?

In my circles sola scriptura, and scripture interpreting itself, are used interchangeably. What is the difference?
 
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