Bible Study Thread: Luke

[Mendalla]

Ah. Explains why I wasn't aware of what @Mendalla was commenting on. I'm not welcome on that thread.

Actually, it was this one that I had in mind more so that then Oord (I'm not even ready to discuss ch. 1 of God Can't yet). It's a general discussion in R&F.

 

[paradox3]

Actually, it was this one that I had in mind more so that then Oord (I'm not even ready to discuss ch. 1 of God Can't yet). It's a general discussion in R&F.

Bingo. That's the one I meant when I posted:

If I am thinking of the correct thread, @Pinga was inspired to start that one by her reading of the Oord book. There was some good discussion there.

Pinga was into the Oord book when she started the general discussion about evil. Later she proposed God Can't for a book study which was a separate thread. Then the actual book study began.

A bit of a learning curve for all re: this new forum. I followed the whole process closely because I was interested in locating the Luke thread here in the new forum. Very positive development for WC2, I would say.

 

[paradox3]

But these revelations Jesus stopped, since he desires no praise from Satan nor from those that've placed themselves in Satan's service.

My reading of the text had me thinking Jesus was not ready to tell anyone He was the Messiah. But maybe I am being influenced by all the "tell no one" stories we studied in Matthew and Mark.

 

[unsafe]

Luke 4:31-44

What we see in these verses is Jesus Authority ------We see that He is in the synagogue--He Teaches the Word ---He Heals a man possessed and He Heals a high fever for Simon's Mother in law -----All these Show That He Is Lord over All

Jesus speaks here with Authority and Power to the demon possessed man and the demons know exactly who Jesus is and are afraid of Him and the people are amazed at what He has done -----Satan didn't leave this man gently according to scripture he hurt the man before giving in to Jesus calling him out -----

Jesus has been anointed by the Holy Spirit to carry out the work His Father has sent Him to do ----- and the Holy Spirit anoints us today to carry out what service we are directed by the Holy Spirit to carry out ------

unsafe posting Greek word for anoint

Strong's Concordance
chrió: to anoint
Original Word: χρίω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: chrió
Phonetic Spelling: (khree'-o)
Definition: to anoint
Usage: I anoint, consecrate by anointing.
HELPS Word-studies

5548 xríō – to anoint by rubbing or pouring olive oil on someone to represent the flow (empowering) of the Holy Spirit. Anointing (literally) involved rubbing olive oil on the head, etc., especially to present someone as divinely-authorized (appointed by God) to serve as prophet, priest or king, etc. See 1 Ki 19:16; Lev 8:12; Ps 133:2; 1 Sam 10:1, 16:13; 2 Sam 2:4, 5:3.

; to anoint (on the persons who received anointing among the Hebrews, see χρῖσμα); in the N. T. only tropically, of God a. consecrating Jesus to the Messianic office, and furnishing him with powers necessary for its administration

b. enduing Christians with the gifts of the Holy Spirit


unsafe says ----Without The Holy Spirit in us we are not anointed to carry out God's service ------we serve our own needs not God's --just for clarification


unsafe says ----when the people saw that Jesus was leaving they tried to get Him to say but His Mission was to Preach the Good News --that is why He was sent -----

And that is what we are to Preach today -----Salvation is the whole Bible ------Where we Humans end up eternally should matter to all People ------unfortunately many do not Preach Grace today ----they Preach do Good get good --do bad get bad ------


God's word has power for us today -----Jesus is the Word -----

 

[Jaebius]

My reading of the text had me thinking Jesus was not ready to tell anyone He was the Messiah. But maybe I am being influenced by all the "tell no one" stories we studied in Matthew and Mark.

It could be a bit of both? He wanted his Messiahship known in his timing, not when Satan felt it should be made known.

 

[paradox3]

It could be a bit of both? He wanted his Messiahship known in his timing, not when Satan felt it should be made known.

Ahh . . . makes sense. Thanks for this insight.

 

[Jaebius]

Thoughts on Luke 4:42-43...

Jesus went out into the solitude to be alone with God.

It would be of advantage to missionaries if they would withdraw and spend time after Jesus' example. We're liable to lose our balance if there's only work alternating with pleasure. Sunday should be the day for communion with God.

Jesus' absence was noticed, and a multitude, with Peter in the lead, went out to search for him and bring him back. He knew that it was miracles which they hoped to see. And so he told them his ministry's purpose. He must bring the Gospel to other cities also. This work he has taken upon himself. And so he departed on a preaching tour of Galilee.

 

[paradox3]

Sunday should be the day for communion with God.

The day for rest is more biblical.

 

[Jaebius]

The day for rest is more biblical.

Yes, but rest on Sunday I believe isn't just any rest. Sunday's not a day imho to, say, go skiing or spend the day in bed. The rest is to be rest in communion with God.

 

[paradox3]

Yes, but rest on Sunday I believe isn't just any rest. Sunday's not a day imho to, say, go skiing or spend the day in bed. The rest is to be rest in communion with God.

That would be my idea of observing Sabbath as a spiritual practice in the present day.

But since we are discussing Luke here, I was thinking in terms of rest as Jesus and his followers would have understood it. Sabbath observance later becomes quite an issue in the early church, as we know.

 

[Jaebius]

That would be my idea of observing Sabbath as a spiritual practice in the present day.

But since we are discussing Luke here, I was thinking in terms of rest as Jesus and his followers would have understood it. Sabbath observance later becomes quite an issue in the early church, as we know.

Sorry paradox3, are you saying that you don't think Jesus and his followers understood the concept of communion with God? I certainly believe that Jesus, being God, understood that.

 

[GordW]

The day for rest is more biblical.

Technically speaking the Sabbath as described in Scripture is our Saturday. And within Judaic tradition there are very firm limits (along with a long history of debate about same) on what can/can not be done on the Sabbath. IT does appear that when the Jesus movement was much more a Jewish group they community honoured Sabbath and then added in the celebration of the Resurrection on Sundays (I suspect that former with the rest of the Jewish community and the latter more in a home of one of the Jesus community members).

 

[paradox3]

Sorry paradox3, are you saying that you don't think Jesus and his followers understood the concept of communion with God? I certainly believe that Jesus, being God, understood that.

Oh no, I am not saying that at all. I am just suggesting that Sabbath observance for Jesus probably carried the connotation of rest more than the idea of communion with God.

Our present day values re: Sunday are not identical to the biblical commandment re: Sabbath observance. And the Jewish Sabbath is actually Saturday as @GordW has just posted.

Although as I think about it, some present day Jewish authors have suggested all 613 laws of the Torah serve to imbue the everyday with the holy. So if Jesus was a devout Jew (as I believe He was) He probably did not separate secular and religious life the way we do nowadays. Sabbath observance would be just one of many ways He experienced communion with God.

 

[unsafe]

unsafe says ------The Sabbath was given asactually a Sign -----God rested from His Work on the 7th day -----all was finished so He set the 7th day apart and made it Holy ----It was a sign that His creation was finished ---- He Rested ---

unsafe posting from

Exodus 31:13 (AMP)
13 “But as for you, say to the Israelites, ‘You shall most certainly observe My Sabbaths, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, so that you may know [without any doubt] and acknowledge that I am the Lord who sanctifies you and sets you apart [for Myself].

unsafe says

God gave His Covenants signs -----with Noah the rainbow was a sign that God would not destroy the whole earth by water again ----

With Abraham the sign was Circumcision ------

With Moses the sign was the 4 Commandment ---setting aside the 7th day as Sabbath

unsafe says
Keeping The Sabbath is misunderstood in todays world in my view ------


unsafe posting link here --just because it is interesting reading on this subject if one is interested ----- This is what John MacArthur says about the Sabbath

Understanding the Sabbath

Understanding the Sabbath

 

[Jaebius]

Oh no, I am not saying that at all. I am just suggesting that Sabbath observance for Jesus probably carried the connotation of rest more than the idea of communion with God.

Our present day values re: Sunday are not identical to the biblical commandment re: Sabbath observance. And the Jewish Sabbath is actually Saturday as @GordW has just posted.

Although as I think about it, some present day Jewish authors have suggested all 613 laws of the Torah serve to imbue the everyday with the holy. So if Jesus was a devout Jew (as I believe He was) He probably did not separate secular and religious life the way we do nowadays. Sabbath observance would be just one of many ways He experienced communion with God.

To be clear, I'm not saying, and did not say, that Jesus' times of solitude with God were necessarily on the Sabbath. And I'm aware that the Jewish Sabbath is Saturday. I worked one summer at a Jewish camp.

 

[paradox3]

To be clear, I'm not saying, and did not say, that Jesus' times of solitude with God were necessarily on the Sabbath. And I'm aware that the Jewish Sabbath is Saturday. I worked one summer at a Jewish camp.

Here's where we got onto the track of modern day and ancient Sabbath observance:

It would be of advantage to missionaries if they would withdraw and spend time after Jesus' example. We're liable to lose our balance if there's only work alternating with pleasure. Sunday should be the day for communion with God.

Sometimes these reflections of yours lose me. They seem to be a combination of summarizing the text, your interpretation of the text and your commentary about related matters.

If you were just making a side note about what you think present day Christians ought to do on Sunday, that's fine.

 

[Jaebius]

If you were just making a side note about what you think present day Christians ought to do on Sunday, that's fine.

/\ This.

I was just offering that if Jesus found time to be alone with God, so should we missionaries do same. In our busy, busy world it seems to me that the best day for most of us to do that is on Sunday. It's when most of us designate time for religious activity any way.

 

[GordW]

unsafe says ------The Sabbath was given asactually a Sign -----God rested from His Work on the 7th day -----all was finished so He set the 7th day apart and made it Holy ----It was a sign that His creation was finished ---- He Rested ---

Yes in Exodus people are told to rest because God rested. In Deuteronomy the commandment is because they once were slaves and now they are not.
“Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the Lord your God has commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns, so that your male and female servants may rest, as you do. 15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.(Deut 5:12-15)

SO why is Jesus resting? Is it only to fulfil the commandment? Unlikely since elsewhere in the Gospel accounts Jesus suggests that this on its own is not a good enough reason to be bound by Sabbath legislation. It appears it is purely for his own restoration and spiritual health, which is part of the rationale behind the SAbbath legislation in the first place.

 

[unsafe]

GordW ---your quote ------ SO why is Jesus resting? Is it only to fulfil the commandment? Unlikely since elsewhere in the Gospel accounts Jesus suggests that this on its own is not a good enough reason to be bound by Sabbath legislation. It appears it is purely for his own restoration and spiritual health, which is part of the rationale behind the SAbbath legislation in the first place.

unsafe says ----Come on GordW ----God is a Spirit ----Spirits don't get tired and Spirits don't need spiritual health -----Spirits don't get sick so that is not why God is resting -----

His creation was complete and He did no more creating ----He was Finished -----He retired for a while till Adam screwed up

unsafe posting from Isaiah

Isaiah 40:28 (AMP)
28
Do you not know? Have you not heard?
The Everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth
Does not become tired or grow weary;
There is no searching of His understanding.

 

[Seeler]

Unsafe, if Jesus didn't get tired why did he sleep.