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Thoughts on Luke 4:1-4...

Jesus had received the Spirit at his baptism. The Spirit that filled Jesus in harmony in redemption worked with him. She led him, with insistence, into the wilderness.

Jesus sought God at times in prayer. The wilderness' temptations were of the nature, if not of the severity, of Gethsemane's Passion.

Out in the wilderness, Jesus was subjected to Satan, for our sakes. He must meet the champion of darkness' powers at his ministry's outset in order to overcome his attacks.

For 40 days Jesus was exposed to Satan. What he endured during these 40 days is beyond conception, for which reason he didn't tell his missionaries about those days.

Jesus didn't let himself to be led away from duty's path which he'd entered.

During these 40 days Jesus had had nothing to eat, and so he was hungry when they came to an end. He had a human nature and was subject to human affections; he felt hunger.

Of this the devil tried to take advantage. Asking in such a form that he implied doubt in Jesus' ability, he pointed to the stones and asked him to change them into bread.

Jesus countered Satan's words with a Scripture which threw back the attack. He reminded him that God isn't bound by the means for establishing and maintaining life.

Had God been able to keep him alive during these 40 days, he would also find ways to do so for a few more days without any directions from the devil.

☆ This should be remembered whenever this life's care rears its head in a missional home; God's providence has never failed yet, nor will it in the future. ☆
 
Out in the wilderness, Jesus was subjected to Satan, for our sakes. He must meet the champion of darkness' powers at his ministry's outset in order to overcome his attacks.
The importance of knowing one's enemies comes to mind here.
 
Sorry paradox3 ---just answering BetteTheRed here ------

BetteTheRed -----your quote ------This may just be an odd word choice, but "both" sides? If we're wrestling with scripture, there's going to be AT LEAST as many sides/opinions as there are participants.

unsafe says ---Whether you and others want to acknowledge it or not ----there are only 2 sides -----the world's way of interpreting scripture or the Spiritual way to interpret scripture ----any way that is not spiritual that is comes from the Holy Spirit is a Worldly interpretation --Period ++++++----so you can think there are may sided but in reality there are only 2 sides -----and scripture confirms that -----there is negative and positive ---there is good and evil ----there is the world physical and there is the Spiritual -----that is all there is -----2 sided ---the coin has 2 sides we pick a side the head or the tail ------

Even within Christianity there are different schools of thought on how to interpret Scripture.
 
It is also interesting to contemplate the nature of the three temptations.

The first related to physical needs. Jesus was famished and the devil invited him to turn stones into bread.

The second related to power. The devil offered Jesus glory and authority over all the kingdoms of the world.

The third temptation, in which the devil uses scripture, is a little more obscure. If you are the Son of God, the devil says, throw yourself down from the pinnacle of the temple. Is the devil tempting Jesus to resist the role God has chosen for Him?
 
It is also interesting to contemplate the nature of the three temptations.

The first related to physical needs. Jesus was famished and the devil invited him to turn stones into bread.

The second related to power. The devil offered Jesus glory and authority over all the kingdoms of the world.

Yes, I noticed that too paradox3.

paradox3 said:
The third temptation, in which the devil uses scripture, is a little more obscure. If you are the Son of God, the devil says, throw yourself down from the pinnacle of the temple. Is the devil tempting Jesus to resist the role God has chosen for Him?

I believe Satan's third temptation has two objects...

(1.) Jesus should demonstrate his Sonship.

(2.) Jesus should gain a number of missionaries, the populace, all at one stroke.
 
Thoughts on Luke 4:9-13...

Satan tries to arouse pride in Jesus. So, having brought him to Jerusalem, he placed him on the temple's pinnacle.

Now Satan's demand was that Jesus cast himself down from there, into the Kidron Valley's depths, before the congregation who would be sure to rush out of the gates to see how the jump had succeeded.

Jesus was equal to the occasion. He tells Satan that there's a passage which reads, "You shall not tempt God, your God."

Any attempt to reach the ground below by any means outside of those suggested by an understanding of nature's laws would be a challenging of God's care, for which there's no promise in the Bible.

☆ The way to meet Satan's attacks and vanquish him's to use Scripture's words as weapons. Before these onslaughts Satan must give way and be routed. ☆

Jesus had stayed victorious in three temptations. Satan hadn't dented his defense. So, Satan was obliged to depart.

This withdrawal was temporary. During Jesus' Passion, Satan tried to overcome Jesus, who was obliged to be on the alert, ever ready to fight.
 
Yes, and as I recall, Satan remains Jesus' enemy throughout the gospel.

Nah, it was all an act like in wrestling. They headed to a taberna for a beer afterwards.:devil:

On the temptations themselves:

Retreats into the wilderness are a common aspect of mystical practice. Jesus was clearly no exception. The experience he has of being tempted by various worldly things is likely what he was retreating from, hence the story of him wrestling with temptation. Was it literally "the Devil" or is this a story illustrating the varieties of temptation and how Jesus resisted them? I go with the story, of course. It's a teaching story but could likely inspired by Jesus really doing these sorts of retreats. Perhaps he even told his followers about visions he had on them, which become the germ of this whole story. It's a nice bit of storytelling, as usual from Luke. He's possibly the best storyteller of the four.

My secret thought: I want to film this with David Tennant as Satan. He's playing a lesser devil in Good Omens and looks fab in the pics I've seen of him in the part. He'd tempt me, for sure.
 
I believe Satan's third temptation has two objects...

(1.) Jesus should demonstrate his Sonship.

(2.) Jesus should gain a number of missionaries, the populace, all at one stroke.
Figured the third temptation would give us the most trouble! Could you explain please how you are getting this from Luke? I am not seeing it.
 
Jesus was equal to the occasion. He tells Satan that there's a passage which reads, "You shall not tempt God, your God."
Thus Jesus uses the Hebrew scriptures to refute the devil on all three counts.
 
paradox 3 ---apologize for this disruption but this is important for people to know in my view -------

Jae ---your quote -----Even within Christianity there are different schools of thought on how to interpret Scripture.

Name them Jae -----there is only one thought that is the Spiritual side Jae ---and that comes from the Holy Spirit--- Period ----without the Holy Spirit Jae you are in the world and you have worldly thinking and interpretation ------so you can speak as you like -----and I agree with Pontifex Geronimo 13 post above that you sit on the fence ---your a Carnal Christian Jae ---in the world one minute and in God's world the next ----you should really come to maturity in on which side you want to be on---you can't serve in your thinking God Spiritual meaning of Scripture and the worlds way of just reading the Logos and understanding it ------When the Holy Spirit speaks it is the Rhema Word that is Spoken not the Logos --------you can't serve 2 masters ------

unsafe posting here from James ------now back to Luke and the Topic at hand --------

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Waterfall -----your quote ----The priesthood was taken from Malchizedek and given to Abrahams children instead because, according to the Talmud he praised Abraham before he praised God.....so not likely Jesus.


Waterfall your grasping at straws -----the Priest hood was not taken from Melchizedek and given to Abraham ------wherever your getting this from is Wrong --Wrong and Wrong ------Period -----No where in this Psalm does it say that it was given to Abraham--

unsafe says -----
this is the footnote from this Psalm -----

Footnotes:
  1. Psalm 110:4 In rabbinic legend, Shem (the son of Noah) was Melchizedek, and God had planned to make him the first high priest. But when he blessed Abraham without first blessing God (Gen 14:18f), God gave the priesthood to Abraham instead.
  2. Psalm 110:5 Lit has smashed, probably a prophetic construction, and so in v 6.

Psalm 110 Amplified Bible (AMP)
The Lord Gives Dominion to the King.
A Psalm of David.
110 The Lord (Father) says to my Lord (the Messiah, His Son),
“Sit at My right hand
Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet [subjugating them into complete submission].”A)'>
2
The Lord will send the scepter of Your strength from Zion, saying,
“Rule in the midst of Your enemies.”B)'>
3
Your people will offer themselves willingly [to participate in Your battle] in the day of Your power;
In the splendor of holiness, from the womb of the dawn,
Your young men are to You as the dew.

4
The Lord has sworn [an oath] and will not change His mind:
You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek.”C)'>
5
The Lord is at Your right hand,
He will crush kings in the day of His wrath.
6
He will execute judgment [in overwhelming punishment] among the nations;
He will fill them with corpses,
He will crush the chief men over a broad country.D)'>
7
He will drink from the brook by the wayside;
Therefore He will lift up His head [triumphantly].



unsafe says
------this debunks your theory there Waterfall --it seems the Jews changed the text according to this ------


Shem as Melchizedek: A test case for validating or falsifying the Septuagint Genesis 11 chronology as original

THE GREAT JEWISH FLIP-FLOP IN THEOLOGY:

a. In 100 BC, the Jews universally viewed Melchizedek as a “messianic angelic being” and when Jesus Christ came, it was a perfect fulfillment with their messianic expectation.

b. In 160 AD, Shem became Melchizedek who transferred his priesthood to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The Jews wanted to disconnect Jesus Christ from being a priest after the order of Melchizedek (book of Hebrews) so they corrupted the text in their Hebrew pre-Masoretic Torah to counter Christian theology.


i. In 160 AD, Seder Olam Rabbah was the nasty fraudulent and corrupt chronological document the Jews created for this purpose.

ii. In order for Shem to be the same person as Melchizedek, Shem must be alive at the time of Abraham.

iii. The original and authentic Septuagint chronology in Gen 11 makes it impossible for Shem to be Melchizedek because he dies hundreds of years before Abraham is born.

iv. At the time of Christ, the chronological numbers in Gen 5 and 11 in both the Septuagint and the Hebrew pre-Masoretic text were almost identical.

v. The Jews in 160-180 AD modified the chronological numbers in their Hebrew pre-Masoretic text by reducing the age of the earth and compressing the genealogy between Shem and Abraham.

vi. Shem was second-born and NOT Melchizedek. Japheth “the Great” was firstborn in the LXX. They couldn’t suddenly redefine Shem as Melchizedek if his older brother Japheth was called “the great” in both the Greek Septuagint and the Hebrew pre-Masoretic text (MT)

3. As you can see, the chronological numbers Gen 11 for the time span between Shem and Abraham in the Septuagint (LXX), Masoretic (MT) and Samaritan Pentateuch (SP) are all different.


this is commentary on Psalms 110 ------

SUMMARY OF PSALM 110
SUMMARY OF PSALM 110
We have covered the first four Psalms of Book V, Psalms 107 to 110. Of these, Psalm 110 is the climax. In fact, no other Psalm is higher than Psalm 110 regarding Christ. It is a short Psalm with only a few main points, but these points are immensely significant. The first is that Christ is sitting at the right hand of God. This refers to His exaltation and enthronement. The significance of this verse is seen in the fact that it is mentioned approximately twenty times in the New Testament. Even the Lord Jesus Himself quoted this verse frequently. It is profitable to look into all these New Testament quotations: there are some in the first three Gospels, some in the Acts, some in Ephesians, some in 1 Corinthians, and many in Hebrews.

The second point in this Psalm is the victory of Christ. He has won the victory, and He is going to win many more victories. The fact that God has promised to make all His enemies His footstool is an aspect of His victory.

The third point is His power, His authority, His scepter. He is the exalted One, the enthroned One, the Victor, and the One who has the scepter. The rod is in His hand (v. 2).

The fourth point is that Christ is still fighting, and He will fight to the end. In verse 3 we have this phrase: “In the day of thy power.” The word “power” in this phrase has another meaning. The margin of the American Standard Version says, “in the day of thy army,” and the Good speed translation has “on your day of war.” It is not only the day of His power, but also the day of His fighting. It is then that the people will offer themselves willingly in the splendor of their consecration. It is then that the young men will be as the dew out of the womb of the morning and as the brook on the way. Christ needs refreshment because He is fighting. On one hand this Psalm tells us He has won the victory, but on the other hand He is still fighting. He will fight to the end. So many things may be realized from this short Psalm.

The fifth point is that He is today the Priest. He is the King, He is the Warrior, and He is also the Priest. He is a Priest according to the order of Melchizedek, not according to the law of a carnal commandment, but in the power of an endless life (Heb. 7:16). We do not realize how much He prays for us, how much He is sustaining us all the day long, by being our Priest. He is there at God’s right hand as the King to care for God’s interest in the entire universe; He is there as the Priest to care for us; and He is also there as the Warrior, fighting against His enemies.

The sixth point is that He will eventually return.

It is clear, by combining all these six points, that Psalm 110 is the highest peak in the revelation of Christ. Christ today, according to Psalm 110, is at the right hand of God, the highest place in the universe. Hebrews 1:3 says that He “sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high,” the highest place. Psalm 110 tells us not only where Christ is, but also what He is. He is the King, He is the Victor, He is the Warrior, He is the Priest, and He is the Coming One—at least these five items. In such a short Psalm of seven verses we see all these things. This Psalm, which gives the highest revelation of Christ, is not in the first book, but in the last book of the Psalms. In Book V, we reach the highest peak.
It is not my theory unsafe...very often I will turn to the Jewish texts to understand something. As Jesus himself did. That"theory" is courtesy of chabad.com .....there are other Jewish sites that offer somewhat differing explanations as much as Christianity will offer differing explanations for scripture.
I was just offering another view.
 
@unsafe, @Jae, @Waterfall

Do we need a thread on how to interpret Scripture? And maybe which resources to use?

I would certainly be interested in joining the conversation but I am not up to starting & hosting such a thread right now. Luke's gospel is keeping me pretty busy and I have a few things going on in RL.
 
Figured the third temptation would give us the most trouble! Could you explain please how you are getting this from Luke? I am not seeing it.

paradox3, I feel I did explain my thoughts in my post about those verses. Basically, I think that the temptation was for Jesus to jump and by surviving prove his being the Son of God, and gain himself a ton of converts from the congregation who would have discovered his survival. It's only my reflection on the passage.
 
@unsafe, @Jae, @Waterfall

Do we need a thread on how to interpret Scripture? And maybe which resources to use?

I would certainly be interested in joining the conversation but I am not up to starting & hosting such a thread right now. Luke's gospel is keeping me pretty busy and I have a few things going on in RL.

It'd be an interesting thread. I'm not going to start it though. My chief interests currently lie in participating in your Luke thread and continuing my Revelation one.
 
paradox3, I feel I did explain my thoughts in my post about those verses. Basically, I think that the temptation was for Jesus to jump and by surviving prove his being the Son of God, and gain himself a ton of converts from the congregation who would have discovered his survival. It's only my reflection on the passage.
Thanks. I see where you are coming from now. The devil was essentially offering Jesus a shortcut to His life's mission . . . to do something spectacular that would gain Him followers quickly.
 
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