So 5000 or 10000 on a hill doesnt seem so impossible.
The Gospel of Mark
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Nope. It would be rare to get those numbers outside a place like theatres and stadiums but not impossible.
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Yes, you would do a similar thing for someone whose sugar levels had fallen. But in case anyone is wondering, we are not talking about a diabetic with hypoglycemia here. (This is a side effect of treatment with insulin or oral hypoglycemic agents.)
Jesus' use of saliva to heal is interesting because saliva has antibacterial properties. Just think of animals licking their wounds.
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Mark 7:1-13
This part is all about Vain Worship -----The Pharisees making up their own Doctrine and traditions -----hand washing is good to do but it does not defile a person and Jesus didn't mince His Words when He told them of His displeasure of them saying it does defile a person ----
6 Jesus told them, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites in Scripture:
‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
7 Their worship of me is pointless,
because their teachings are rules made by humans.’
8 “You abandon the commandments of God to follow human traditions.” 9 He added, “You have no trouble rejecting the commandments of God in order to keep your own traditions!
unsafe says --Important Teaching here --------and so it is today -----The Churches are so divided today and many make up their own Doctrine and Traditions from taking a piece of Scripture and twisting it to suit their own agenda ------it is all Vain worship and Hypocritical -----They are white washed on the outside but defiled on the inside -------and that is the Message that Jesus is sending to the Pharisees here ------
Paradox3 ---your quote ------When we discussed the interaction of Jesus with the Pharisees, there was some debate about the Jewish dietary laws. Was Jesus referring to them or not? Some of us thought yes and some thought no. Here all foods are declared clean.
unsafe says -----Here you go reading with the wrong lens -----this piece of scripture is not about Food or dietary laws ---It is about hand washing and if you read the scripture with the help of the Holy Spirit you see that Jesus is saying that the Human digestive track handles and purifies Food that is taken in --- it enters the stomach and goes out into the toilet so hand washing before eating does no defile a person --it is what comes out of the person that is defiled -----
Jesus says Evil thoughts defile a person and He give a list ------Verse 21--- Evil thoughts, sexual sins, stealing, murder, 22 adultery, greed, wickedness, cheating, shameless lust, envy, cursing, arrogance, and foolishness come from within a person. 23 All these evils come from within and make a person unclean.”
unsafe says ------The Pharisees are arrogant and hypocrites ---they defile God's commands by creating their Own Laws and Traditions
This part is all about Vain Worship -----The Pharisees making up their own Doctrine and traditions -----hand washing is good to do but it does not defile a person and Jesus didn't mince His Words when He told them of His displeasure of them saying it does defile a person ----
6 Jesus told them, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites in Scripture:
‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
7 Their worship of me is pointless,
because their teachings are rules made by humans.’
8 “You abandon the commandments of God to follow human traditions.” 9 He added, “You have no trouble rejecting the commandments of God in order to keep your own traditions!
unsafe says --Important Teaching here --------and so it is today -----The Churches are so divided today and many make up their own Doctrine and Traditions from taking a piece of Scripture and twisting it to suit their own agenda ------it is all Vain worship and Hypocritical -----They are white washed on the outside but defiled on the inside -------and that is the Message that Jesus is sending to the Pharisees here ------
Paradox3 ---your quote ------When we discussed the interaction of Jesus with the Pharisees, there was some debate about the Jewish dietary laws. Was Jesus referring to them or not? Some of us thought yes and some thought no. Here all foods are declared clean.
unsafe says -----Here you go reading with the wrong lens -----this piece of scripture is not about Food or dietary laws ---It is about hand washing and if you read the scripture with the help of the Holy Spirit you see that Jesus is saying that the Human digestive track handles and purifies Food that is taken in --- it enters the stomach and goes out into the toilet so hand washing before eating does no defile a person --it is what comes out of the person that is defiled -----
Jesus says Evil thoughts defile a person and He give a list ------Verse 21--- Evil thoughts, sexual sins, stealing, murder, 22 adultery, greed, wickedness, cheating, shameless lust, envy, cursing, arrogance, and foolishness come from within a person. 23 All these evils come from within and make a person unclean.”
unsafe says ------The Pharisees are arrogant and hypocrites ---they defile God's commands by creating their Own Laws and Traditions
Sugary natural products raise levels also but I will leave this alone (glucagon probably not an option)....just found it fascinating that he required something else to complete his miracles.
Also reduces pain.
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paradox3 ---your quote ------In the story of the Syrophoenician woman, we have Jesus changing His mind and expanding His ministry to include Gentiles. Does this make it any more likely that Jesus changed his mind when walking across the sea in Mark 6?
unsafe says ----Did Jesus change His mind while walking on the Sea -----NO-----Jesus never changed His mind about expanding His Ministry To include the Gentiles ---Jesus Preached to all people on the hillsides ---when He preached out doors all could listen and accept or reject His Teachings ------
unsafe says ----- God the Father included All Nations in His Covenant with Abraham ----
unsafe posting here----- from Genesis to show that from the beginning when God made His Plan He included all Nations -----
Genesis 22:17-19 (AMPC)
17 In blessing I will bless you and in multiplying I will multiply your descendants like the stars of the heavens and like the sand on the seashore. And your Seed (Heir) will possess the gate of His enemies,
18 And in your Seed { Christ] shall all the nations of the earth be blessed and [by Him] bless themselves, because you have heard and obeyed My voice.
19 So Abraham returned to his servants, and they rose up and went with him to Beersheba; there Abraham lived.
unsafe posting ----The Hebrew word for nation here is
1471. goy ►
Strong's Concordance
goy: nation, people
Original Word: גּוֹי
Part of Speech: noun masculine; proper name, of a people
Transliteration: goy
Phonetic Spelling: (go'-ee)
Definition: nation, people
every nation (2), Gentiles (1), Goiim (1), Harosheth-hagoyim* (3), herds (1), nation (120), nations (425), people (4).
unsafe says ----So Jesus didn't have a mind Change ----it was Planned from the get go ------
unsafe says ----Did Jesus change His mind while walking on the Sea -----NO-----Jesus never changed His mind about expanding His Ministry To include the Gentiles ---Jesus Preached to all people on the hillsides ---when He preached out doors all could listen and accept or reject His Teachings ------
unsafe says ----- God the Father included All Nations in His Covenant with Abraham ----
unsafe posting here----- from Genesis to show that from the beginning when God made His Plan He included all Nations -----
Genesis 22:17-19 (AMPC)
17 In blessing I will bless you and in multiplying I will multiply your descendants like the stars of the heavens and like the sand on the seashore. And your Seed (Heir) will possess the gate of His enemies,
18 And in your Seed { Christ] shall all the nations of the earth be blessed and [by Him] bless themselves, because you have heard and obeyed My voice.
19 So Abraham returned to his servants, and they rose up and went with him to Beersheba; there Abraham lived.
unsafe posting ----The Hebrew word for nation here is
1471. goy ►
Strong's Concordance
goy: nation, people
Original Word: גּוֹי
Part of Speech: noun masculine; proper name, of a people
Transliteration: goy
Phonetic Spelling: (go'-ee)
Definition: nation, people
every nation (2), Gentiles (1), Goiim (1), Harosheth-hagoyim* (3), herds (1), nation (120), nations (425), people (4).
unsafe says ----So Jesus didn't have a mind Change ----it was Planned from the get go ------
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I am who I am becoming...
This idea is explored in a novel called “Dear And Glorious Physicisn”, by Taylor Caldwell. It is about Luke practicing medicine to heal and restore persons.
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This is an interesting Read on Saliva -----
Why Did Yeshua Use Spit to Heal People?
Why Did Yeshua Use Spit to Heal People?
The Gospel of John records that while in Jerusalem, Yeshua spat onto the ground, creating mud, and then applied this mixture to the eyes of a blind man.
In Mark, we read of another blind man who was brought to Yeshua in Bethsaida, and Yeshua simply spat upon his eyes to heal him.
Mark also records that Yeshua inserted his spit moistened fingers into the ears of a deaf man and touched his tongue with saliva also.
When you think about it, a miracle worker gains attention simply by performing a miracle. When men who have been born blind, deaf or dumb since birth start to see, hear or talk... it needs no great fanfare or embellishment. Why then did Y’shua do this?
Moreover, when a society such as second temple period Israel understood and avoided issues of ritual impurity, you might think that for someone to heal a person using his own saliva would raise more than a few eyebrows.
Question: Couldn’t Yeshua have simply spoken or reached out His hand to bring about the healing of these three men? If so, why did He choose this method? Was there a hidden message in what Yeshua did?
Answer: Yeshua chose to use spit in order to send a powerful message about His parentage and His position as sole legitimate heir to His Father’s inheritance.
It was conceivable in biblical times for a man to have several sons by different wives.
Abraham sent away his wives and sons from Isaac so that there would be a clear demonstration of who was his heir.
Occasionally one son would contest the claims of another as to who was the genuine heir. One reason for disputing the claim would be illegitimacy (whether the son was conceived within wedlock or not.) The writer of Hebrews speaks of how we know that we are truly a child of G-d because we are disciplined by Him. An illegitimate son is not corrected in this way.
Jewish tradition taught that in matters of dispute with regard to inheritance, G-d had a test which would supernaturally reveal who the legitimate son was; heir to the leadership birthright and family property inheritance.
The people of the second temple period were well aware of a tradition of the Sages which proclaimed that the saliva of a legitimate, first born heir would have healing properties against injury or disease.
Once the disputed son's saliva anointed the affected member, healing was expected to miraculously take place if he was legitimate.
There were some in the second temple period who believed in and followed Yeshua, but there were also those who did not. Foremost among their concerns were questions about His parentage. After all, Yosef, Miriam and Yeshua had freely acknowledged that Yosef was not Y’shua’s father... and also that Miriam had never been married before she married Yosef.
Yet, Yeshua clearly had been conceived and born... and someone had to be the father, but who?
Sadly, in today's society these facts would hardly raise an eyebrow.
However, in that day it had all the makings of a horrible scandal with real lifelong ramifications.
However, Yeshua also claimed that He had no earthly father... none whatsoever. He claimed to have come from the Heavenly Father, G-d. If He had been a sinner or the product of sin, He could hardly be expected to be able to heal anyone, as G-d was the Source of all healing.
This is the context of John 8 and 9. A much larger lesson is at work here than simply a series of disjointed teachings and healings. In chapter 8, Yeshua had spoken extensively about His origins, and when He spoke of His Father, the answer from his audience was, "Who is your father?"
It was no accident that just after this exchange, in the same hour, He was asked the question, "Who sinned - this man or his parents [to bring about his blindness]?"
It was also believed by some that an illegitimate child would be chronically ill or have birth defects.
He verbally answered the question of the origin of the blindness, but then demonstrated something which spoke convincingly about His own origins, His legitimacy and His right of inheritance.
Yeshua chose to demonstrate that His saliva contained healing properties, presenting a “catch-22” to those who were His critics. According to the Sages, anyone whose saliva could heal in this way demonstrated by a supernatural revelation of G-d that He was the legitimate first born heir of His Father.
How could His earthly lack of a father, yet the clear demonstration of legitimate inheritance from Above be reconciled?
They could only be reconciled if His statements about His origins were true.
The only true Heir of the Father, legitimate and unsullied, the Source of healing and restoration.
The conclusion of the story is both happy and sad. As with much of mankind, few choose to believe; most will not.
The blind man believed, but the doubt expressed by others says they could not reconcile the conflict.
"We know that God spake unto Moses: as for this fellow, we know not from whence he is."
His origins were still unresolved in their minds.
His claim of legitimate inheritance, validated supernaturally by the Father, could not be reconciled with other things their ears had heard and their eyes had seen.
Proclaiming their ability to see clearly, they remained blinded to His person, His nature and His purpose.
How about you? In whom do you put your faith? Can you see the person of Yeshua clearly?
Why Did Yeshua Use Spit to Heal People?
Why Did Yeshua Use Spit to Heal People?
The Gospel of John records that while in Jerusalem, Yeshua spat onto the ground, creating mud, and then applied this mixture to the eyes of a blind man.
In Mark, we read of another blind man who was brought to Yeshua in Bethsaida, and Yeshua simply spat upon his eyes to heal him.
Mark also records that Yeshua inserted his spit moistened fingers into the ears of a deaf man and touched his tongue with saliva also.
When you think about it, a miracle worker gains attention simply by performing a miracle. When men who have been born blind, deaf or dumb since birth start to see, hear or talk... it needs no great fanfare or embellishment. Why then did Y’shua do this?
Moreover, when a society such as second temple period Israel understood and avoided issues of ritual impurity, you might think that for someone to heal a person using his own saliva would raise more than a few eyebrows.
Question: Couldn’t Yeshua have simply spoken or reached out His hand to bring about the healing of these three men? If so, why did He choose this method? Was there a hidden message in what Yeshua did?
Answer: Yeshua chose to use spit in order to send a powerful message about His parentage and His position as sole legitimate heir to His Father’s inheritance.
It was conceivable in biblical times for a man to have several sons by different wives.
Abraham sent away his wives and sons from Isaac so that there would be a clear demonstration of who was his heir.
Occasionally one son would contest the claims of another as to who was the genuine heir. One reason for disputing the claim would be illegitimacy (whether the son was conceived within wedlock or not.) The writer of Hebrews speaks of how we know that we are truly a child of G-d because we are disciplined by Him. An illegitimate son is not corrected in this way.
Jewish tradition taught that in matters of dispute with regard to inheritance, G-d had a test which would supernaturally reveal who the legitimate son was; heir to the leadership birthright and family property inheritance.
The people of the second temple period were well aware of a tradition of the Sages which proclaimed that the saliva of a legitimate, first born heir would have healing properties against injury or disease.
Once the disputed son's saliva anointed the affected member, healing was expected to miraculously take place if he was legitimate.
There were some in the second temple period who believed in and followed Yeshua, but there were also those who did not. Foremost among their concerns were questions about His parentage. After all, Yosef, Miriam and Yeshua had freely acknowledged that Yosef was not Y’shua’s father... and also that Miriam had never been married before she married Yosef.
Yet, Yeshua clearly had been conceived and born... and someone had to be the father, but who?
Sadly, in today's society these facts would hardly raise an eyebrow.
However, in that day it had all the makings of a horrible scandal with real lifelong ramifications.
However, Yeshua also claimed that He had no earthly father... none whatsoever. He claimed to have come from the Heavenly Father, G-d. If He had been a sinner or the product of sin, He could hardly be expected to be able to heal anyone, as G-d was the Source of all healing.
This is the context of John 8 and 9. A much larger lesson is at work here than simply a series of disjointed teachings and healings. In chapter 8, Yeshua had spoken extensively about His origins, and when He spoke of His Father, the answer from his audience was, "Who is your father?"
It was no accident that just after this exchange, in the same hour, He was asked the question, "Who sinned - this man or his parents [to bring about his blindness]?"
It was also believed by some that an illegitimate child would be chronically ill or have birth defects.
He verbally answered the question of the origin of the blindness, but then demonstrated something which spoke convincingly about His own origins, His legitimacy and His right of inheritance.
Yeshua chose to demonstrate that His saliva contained healing properties, presenting a “catch-22” to those who were His critics. According to the Sages, anyone whose saliva could heal in this way demonstrated by a supernatural revelation of G-d that He was the legitimate first born heir of His Father.
How could His earthly lack of a father, yet the clear demonstration of legitimate inheritance from Above be reconciled?
They could only be reconciled if His statements about His origins were true.
The only true Heir of the Father, legitimate and unsullied, the Source of healing and restoration.
The conclusion of the story is both happy and sad. As with much of mankind, few choose to believe; most will not.
The blind man believed, but the doubt expressed by others says they could not reconcile the conflict.
"We know that God spake unto Moses: as for this fellow, we know not from whence he is."
His origins were still unresolved in their minds.
His claim of legitimate inheritance, validated supernaturally by the Father, could not be reconciled with other things their ears had heard and their eyes had seen.
Proclaiming their ability to see clearly, they remained blinded to His person, His nature and His purpose.
How about you? In whom do you put your faith? Can you see the person of Yeshua clearly?
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Agreeing with the concept that what is in the heart is more important than ritualistic, external rules.
Jesus said the Pharisees were neglecting God's law about honoring their mothers and fathers so He was not suggesting all rules be tossed out. I am still wondering about those dietary laws but we can set them aside for now.
Were the Pharisees making up their own rules about cleanliness and so on? It surprises me that Jesus dismisses some of the Pharisees' practices so completely. Granted He did not have access to our present day understanding of sanitation, but washing one's hands before eating, cleaning the food from the market and washing out the pots all seem like pretty good ideas to me.
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Maybe Jesus resisted for a time and then decided to go with the plan.
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I read this book so many years ago it is not even funny. I was probably a teenager.
The book was written in 1959.
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Summary: Mark 8: 1-38
1. There is again a great crowd with nothing to eat and Jesus feels compassion for them. The disciples have 7 loaves of bread and a few small fish. These are blessed by Jesus and distributed by the disciples. Four thousand are fed and seven baskets of broken pieces are left over.
2. The Pharisees argue with Jesus, asking for a sign from heaven in order to test Him. But no sign is to be given to this generation.
3. After crossing to the other side in the boat, the disciples have only one loaf of bread with them. Jesus cautions them to beware the leaven of the Pharisees and Herod. The disciples are chided for not understanding the feeding of the 4000 and the earlier feeding of the 5000.
4. A blind man is healed when Jesus puts saliva on his eyes. Jesus sends him away to his home, telling him not to even go into the village.
5. Jesus asks the disciples who people say He is. Some are saying John the Baptist and others are saying Elijah or one of the prophets. Jesus asks, but who do you say I am? Peter replies, You are the Messiah. Jesus sternly orders the disciples to tell no one about Him.
6. Jesus foretells His death and resurrection. He speaks of the time the Son of Man will come in the glory of his Father with the the holy angels.
1. There is again a great crowd with nothing to eat and Jesus feels compassion for them. The disciples have 7 loaves of bread and a few small fish. These are blessed by Jesus and distributed by the disciples. Four thousand are fed and seven baskets of broken pieces are left over.
2. The Pharisees argue with Jesus, asking for a sign from heaven in order to test Him. But no sign is to be given to this generation.
3. After crossing to the other side in the boat, the disciples have only one loaf of bread with them. Jesus cautions them to beware the leaven of the Pharisees and Herod. The disciples are chided for not understanding the feeding of the 4000 and the earlier feeding of the 5000.
4. A blind man is healed when Jesus puts saliva on his eyes. Jesus sends him away to his home, telling him not to even go into the village.
5. Jesus asks the disciples who people say He is. Some are saying John the Baptist and others are saying Elijah or one of the prophets. Jesus asks, but who do you say I am? Peter replies, You are the Messiah. Jesus sternly orders the disciples to tell no one about Him.
6. Jesus foretells His death and resurrection. He speaks of the time the Son of Man will come in the glory of his Father with the the holy angels.
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Reflection: Mark 8: 1-38
Here were have the practical Jesus understanding that the crowd needs to eat. "If I send them away hungry to their homes, they will faint on the way - - - - some of them have come from a great distance." (8:3 NRSV) The crowd has not eaten in three days and Jesus feels compassion for them.
Yesterday we were speculating about how much medical knowledge Jesus might have. Again we see the use of saliva for healing.
The comment about the leaven of the Pharisees and Herod is interesting, especially when coupled with the rebuke to the disciples for not understanding the miracles of the bread and fishes. Is Jesus saying that both good and evil begin small and grow exponentially?
Jesus knows He is in danger here, predicting His own death and suffering. He talks of this openly, yet elsewhere wants everyone to keep quiet about Him. Does this reflect Jesus' own ambivalence? Does the struggle come from the fully human part of His nature?
Here were have the practical Jesus understanding that the crowd needs to eat. "If I send them away hungry to their homes, they will faint on the way - - - - some of them have come from a great distance." (8:3 NRSV) The crowd has not eaten in three days and Jesus feels compassion for them.
Yesterday we were speculating about how much medical knowledge Jesus might have. Again we see the use of saliva for healing.
The comment about the leaven of the Pharisees and Herod is interesting, especially when coupled with the rebuke to the disciples for not understanding the miracles of the bread and fishes. Is Jesus saying that both good and evil begin small and grow exponentially?
Jesus knows He is in danger here, predicting His own death and suffering. He talks of this openly, yet elsewhere wants everyone to keep quiet about Him. Does this reflect Jesus' own ambivalence? Does the struggle come from the fully human part of His nature?
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Mark 8:34-38 New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
34 He called the crowd with his disciples, and said to them, “If any want to become my followers, let them deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 35 For those who want to save their life will lose it, and those who lose their life for my sake, and for the sake of the gospel, will save it. 36 For what will it profit them to gain the whole world and forfeit their life? 37 Indeed, what can they give in return for their life? 38 Those who are ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of them the Son of Man will also be ashamed when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.”
Mark 8:34-38 The Message (MSG)
34-37 Calling the crowd to join his disciples, he said, “Anyone who intends to come with me has to let me lead. You’re not in the driver’s seat; I am. Don’t run from suffering; embrace it. Follow me and I’ll show you how. Self-help is no help at all. Self-sacrifice is the way, my way, to saving yourself, your true self. What good would it do to get everything you want and lose you, the real you? What could you ever trade your soul for?
38 “If any of you are embarrassed over me and the way I’m leading you when you get around your fickle and unfocused friends, know that you’ll be an even greater embarrassment to the Son of Man when he arrives in all the splendor of God, his Father, with an army of the holy angels.”
34 He called the crowd with his disciples, and said to them, “If any want to become my followers, let them deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 35 For those who want to save their life will lose it, and those who lose their life for my sake, and for the sake of the gospel, will save it. 36 For what will it profit them to gain the whole world and forfeit their life? 37 Indeed, what can they give in return for their life? 38 Those who are ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of them the Son of Man will also be ashamed when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.”
Mark 8:34-38 The Message (MSG)
34-37 Calling the crowd to join his disciples, he said, “Anyone who intends to come with me has to let me lead. You’re not in the driver’s seat; I am. Don’t run from suffering; embrace it. Follow me and I’ll show you how. Self-help is no help at all. Self-sacrifice is the way, my way, to saving yourself, your true self. What good would it do to get everything you want and lose you, the real you? What could you ever trade your soul for?
38 “If any of you are embarrassed over me and the way I’m leading you when you get around your fickle and unfocused friends, know that you’ll be an even greater embarrassment to the Son of Man when he arrives in all the splendor of God, his Father, with an army of the holy angels.”
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I decided to post the text above because I can't imagine how I would summarize it.
Is Jesus predicting end times as well as His own death and resurrection?
There is a strong message here that we are not to be ashamed of Jesus and following Him will be costly.
I like the interpretation from The Message very much.
Is Jesus predicting end times as well as His own death and resurrection?
There is a strong message here that we are not to be ashamed of Jesus and following Him will be costly.
I like the interpretation from The Message very much.
Jesus gives a summary of mission, addressed to his missionaries. He speaks of the way in which a missionary gives evidence of the faith living in them. Jesus emphasizes denying self, taking up the cross and following him.
One who becomes a missionary loses their identity so far as spiritual things are concerned. They no longer know themself or insist upon their opinion and work.
They must expect and take upon themself the cross and suffering which will strike them on account of their confession of Christ, though it lead into death.
Thus the missionary will resolve themself to follow Christ wherever he may lead, and not doubt that his way's best.
Jesus explains this at some length. If anyone will regard the world and what it offers as nothing, give it up for Jesus, they'll find life and joy in him.
There's nothing in the world which can measure up to a soul's value, not if one considers that God's Son shed his blood for that soul.
There's another mark which Jesus emphasizes at his address' end. People by nature are given to idolatry, and are therefore guilty of offending God.
If therefore, now that Jesus has come and the gospel's gone forth, anyone hears this gospel, and yet is ashamed of it and of Jesus, then Jesus, but now as Judge, will be ashamed of them and will condemn them. For he'll appear in God's glory.
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Where do you see anything in Mark 8 about Jesus shedding his blood for the sake of our souls? I suggest you are reading something from later writings into Mark here.
The passage tells us the Son of Man will be ashamed when he comes in his glory with the angels, not that he will condemn anyone.
Other than these two picky points, I don't really have any quarrel with your interpretation here.
However, Eugene Peterson's interpretation in The Message resonates more deeply with me.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
What do you imagine he'll do upon his return? He's coming as Judge. What do you think he'll do when he's ashamed - just shrug his shoulders?