The Gospel of Mark

[unsafe]

GeoFee ------your quote ----Jesus is a person chosen by God to accomplish a purpose.


unsafe says -----Jesus is God there GeoFee in my Bible anyway -------God The Father Sent God the Son to fulfil His divine Plan of Salvation ----There is only one Messiah ----Jesus Christ ---


The Word Messiah in Greek ----


Strong's Concordance
Messias: Messiah, the O.T. title corresponding to Christ
Original Word: Μεσσίας, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: Messias
Phonetic Spelling: (mes-see'-as)
Definition: Messiah, the O.T. title corresponding to Christ
Usage: Messiah, the Anointed One.
HELPS Word-studies

3323 Messías – literally, "the anointed one," referring to Jesus as the Christ – supremely empowered by the Holy Spirit to accomplish all of the divine plan.

 

[paradox3]

Paeadox3 ---Your Quote ------The comment about the leaven of the Pharisees and Herod is interesting, especially when coupled with the rebuke to the disciples for not understanding the miracles of the bread and fishes. Is Jesus saying that both good and evil begin small and grow exponentially?

unsafe says ----No -----He is saying that False teachers here the Pharisees corrupt their whole Church -------there hearts are hardened to the truth ----


unsafe says ---This is very dangerous because these False Teachers and there are Many today that are leading their Church straight to the pit of eternal torment and not caring about it -----



The Greek word for Yeast ----
Strong's Concordance
zumé: leaven

Mark 8:15 -----explains of the teaching of the Pharisees, of their hypocrisy. It is applied to that which, though small in quantity, yet by its influence thoroughly pervades a thing a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump, which is used variously, according to the various things to which it is applied, viz. a single sin corrupts a whole church, a slight inclination to error (respecting the necessity of circumcision) easily perverts the whole conception of faith-- a few false teachers lead the whole church into error.'

In discussion with the disciples about the leaven of the Pharisees, Jesus rebukes the disciples for not properly understanding about the loaves and fishes.

What connection do you see between the two? Jesus seems to see some sort of connection, wouldn't you say?

 

[unsafe]

paradox3 ---your quote -----
In discussion with the disciples about the leaven of the Pharisees, Jesus rebukes the disciples for not properly understanding about the loaves and fishes.
What connection do you see between the two? Jesus seems to see some sort of connection, wouldn't you say?


unsafe says -----are you talking about the connection between the loves and the fishes or between the leaven of the Pharisees and the loaves of Bread that the Disciples are arguing over that they forgot ------? Not sure what your asking for here

 

[paradox3]

paradox3 ---your quote -----
In discussion with the disciples about the leaven of the Pharisees, Jesus rebukes the disciples for not properly understanding about the loaves and fishes.
What connection do you see between the two? Jesus seems to see some sort of connection, wouldn't you say?


unsafe says -----are you talking about the connection between the loves and the fishes or between the leaven of the Pharisees and the loaves of Bread that the Disciples are arguing over that they forgot ------? Not sure what your asking for here

My goodness, unsafe, you keep me on my toes! I was assuming the connection was between the two loaves and fishes stories (feeding the 5000 and feeding the 4000) and the leaven of the Pharisees.

But pulling out my bible and rereading the passage, it looks like the connection could very well be between the loaves the disciples forgot (only one being on the boat) & the leaven of the Pharisees.

What do you think? There is definitely a connection here of some sort.

 

[Jaebius]

My goodness, unsafe, you keep me on my toes! I was assuming the connection was between the two loaves and fishes stories (feeding the 5000 and feeding the 4000) and the leaven of the Pharisees.

But pulling out my bible and rereading the passage, it looks like the connection could very well be between the loaves the disciples forgot (only one being on the boat) & the leaven of the Pharisees.

What do you think? There is definitely a connection here of some sort.

The departure of Jesus and his missionaries from Magdala had been hurried. Their course was set to a land which didn't offer much in food.

A loaf left over from the previous day was all the food the missionaries had in the boat. That loaf weighed heavy on their minds.

Jesus was concerned about more important things. The encounter with the Pharisees had given him food for thought with regard to his missionaries. A danger was menacing them.

And so he turned to them and told them to beware against the leaven of the Pharisees and of Herod.

"Unbelief in Christ is the leaven of the Pharisees and Herod, unbelief motivated in part by fear of Roman reprisal against the Jews if Jesus were acclaimed as Messiah. But their unbelief was ultimately due to their hard hearts (John 12:36b–43)." - source: Ligonier Ministries

After receiving the charge, the missionaries talked the matter over among themselves. They reached the conclusion that Jesus had reprimanded them because they hadn't brought enough bread along. That one fact was worrying them.

That Jesus was with them in the boat didn't reassure them.

 

[paradox3]

After receiving the charge, the missionaries talked the matter over among themselves. They reached the conclusion that Jesus had reprimanded them because they hadn't brought enough bread along.

Please explain how you are getting this from the passage in Mark.

 

[Jaebius]

Please explain how you are getting this from the passage in Mark.

Not from Mark. From Matthew. "And when his disciples came over the sea, they forgot to take loaves. And he said to them, Behold ye, and beware of the sourdough of Pharisees and of Sadducees. And they thought among them, and said, For we have not taken loaves." - Matthew 16:5-7 (WYC).

I thought here you were just looking for the answer to your question. I didn't realize it had to be Mark-specific.

 

[unsafe]

paradox3----your quote ---But pulling out my bible and rereading the passage, it looks like the connection could very well be between the loaves the disciples forgot (only one being on the boat) & the leaven of the Pharisees.

unsafe says ---Jae is right -----you again are looking at the scripture from the worldly view ----you are seeing the physical bread and are not focusing on the Spiritual message of the scripture ------the Bible is a book of Spiritual messages and without the Holy Spirit in you cannot make sense of the spiritual -----You are like the Pharisees paradox3 --you just don't get it ---cause you can't ------

The Disciples had just seen Jesus feed 5000 and then 4000 with a small amount of Food ---and here they are grumbling over not bringing the physical seen bread -----

Jesus is telling the Disciples that there is good and bad yeast ---Leaven -----which when put in the bread shows whether it is good or bad Yeast ----the Yeast in the bread is unseen but the results can be seen ----Good yeast in the spiritual will raise the Church and will bring the Church to the right destination eternal life -----the Bad yeast ---the Pharisees here because of their unbelief and hardened hearts to the Salvation message and who Jesus really is will make the Church fall and bring their Church to eternal torment ------You will always know the Good Yeast from the Bad it will show in what fruits are produced coming out of their hearts and what is in the Heart the Mouth speaks ------

The Spiritual message behind the words of the Bible is the most important message -----and the Spiritual message in the New Testament will always point to the message of Salvation in one form or another ------Jesus came to preach the Good News and rhat is always the theme behind the words that Jesus speaks -----

I posted the Greek word for Yeast on post 739 ----I am reposting it here -----and It gives the use in Mark 8 ---now you can believe it or not that is all up to you ------

The Greek word for Yeast ----
Strong's Concordance
zumé: leaven
Mark 8:15 -----explains of the teaching of the Pharisees, of their hypocrisy. It is applied to that which, though small in quantity, yet by its influence thoroughly pervades a thing a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump, which is used variously, according to the various things to which it is applied, viz. a single sin corrupts a whole church, a slight inclination to error (respecting the necessity of circumcision) easily perverts the whole conception of faith-- a few false teachers lead the whole church into error.'


unsafe says ---This is a very important message here above because there are many False Prophets in our Churches today Preaching without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit who just like the Pharisees cannot and will not Grasp the real message behind the Logos -----and are Leading their Church with dysfunctional bad Leaven in their messages leading their Church straight to the pit of eternal torment and don't care -----scary stuff ---cause every one of us will die one day and we don't know and can't be sure of what is on the other side of this life -----all we can do is speculate ----All we have is God's word that says there is eternal life and eternal torment -----we either believe His word or we don't ---There is no inbetween with Jesus ---He says your either for me or against me ----you can't be both ----you can't serve 2 Masters ----your either serving Satan or your serving God ---Period

The Just are to live by Faith ----not Faith that relies on our senses that we see in this Physical world but Faith that relies on the unseen ---you don't see with your eye the wind itself but you see the results of what the wind can do --------
so do you believe that wind exists ?????

 

[paradox3]

unsafe says ---Jae is right -----you again are looking at the scripture from the worldly view ----you are seeing the physical bread and are not focusing on the Spiritual message of the scripture ------the Bible is a book of Spiritual messages and without the Holy Spirit in you cannot make sense of the spiritual -----You are like the Pharisees paradox3 --you just don't get it ---cause you can't ------

Please hear me out, unsafe. If you are going to continue to compare me to the Pharisees I will be putting you on Ignore.

You have already told me I lack spiritual glasses; that Satan is at work with my posts and that I am without the Holy Spirit. I have made light of these remarks until now but the Pharisee comment is pretty much the last straw. Adding the smiley face does not make it okay.

I have enjoyed reading about your ideas & hope we will be able to disagree in the future without insulting each other.

By the way, I think we are saying very similar things about Mark 8: 13-21. But I suggest we move on to Mark 9.

 

[paradox3]

I thought here you were just looking for the answer to your question. I didn't realize it had to be Mark-specific.

Since this is a thread about Mark's gospel, a Mark-specific conversation is pretty much expected. If you wish to bring in other gospels for comparison purposes or to augment the discussion, that is fine. But please remember to identify when you are doing this.

 

[paradox3]

Mark 9: 1- 30

1. The Transfiguration

2. The conversation about Elijah

3. The healing of the boy with the spirit

4. Jesus predicts his death and resurrection.

 

[paradox3]

Summary: Mark 9: 1- 30

1. The Transfiguration

2. The conversation about Elijah

3. The healing of the boy with the spirit

4. Jesus predicts his death and resurrection.

 

[Luce NDs]

Grounded scripture is nothing like that in flight ... Heironus ... the sacred mind is nothing and blasphemed by a host ... and thus mental processes are hard to return to the dogmatic ...

There are a pile of metaphors, myths, etc about haut Eire expunged by hard ways ... something to study and get into (esoteric) is you believe the elusive light one ... incante as nun to heavy? Perhaps friar tuck ...

Have respect for all that is consumed and consumed ... they add to the broth in the stoo' dent! Ho's bound by law to things wee know little about arche IHC troth ... begotten mysteriously ... like God is mysterious ... much of the impersonal is out there ... with creeps watching ... causing Shamans and guilders ... you know; hard cases ...

Until in a world built mostly on lies one leaves this questionable period behind and knows when to become mysterious ... then the institutionalized goes over the hill ... and the story Rat Chetz up ... Deratta's crank ... myrrh phi!

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Think we could move on to Mark 5?

Beginning at 16:23 and for the next several minutes, Rev. Barber discusses this text, about what the Legion of demons means.

 

[unsafe]

unsafe said ------You are like the Pharisees paradox3 --you just don't get it ---cause you can't ------

unsafe says -----YA ---I really didn't need to say that statement ----I apologize-- it was uncalled for ------But here is the thing you can put me on ignore if you want to ----no one is forced to read any of my posts ------It is no secret that I am not the most popular person on here cause I do stand up for my belief and My Faith in God's Word ----This is your Thread and I will respect your wishes -----Just glad you are enjoying reading the Spiritual message by and through the Holy Spirit's direction ----I take no credit for any Spiritual interpretation of Scripture --------And Now We will Carry on ------

I appreciate your courage to take on this difficult task -----keep going your doing a great Job -----Many don't post but many read what is posted and getting God's word out there is so Great -----so thanks for that ------

 

[paradox3]

Reflection Mark 9: 1-30

The four stories in this section also appear in Matthew 17. For today's reflection I plan to compare the accounts & will post again later.

It is not my intention to do keep doing comparisons throughout these threads but I am intrigued by Matt 17 and Mark 9 put side by side.

Maybe because Matthew 17 ends with the story about the fish with the coin in its mouth to pay the taxes.

Any other comments about Mark 9:1-30 are most welcome.

 

[paradox3]

Beginning at 16:23 and for the next several minutes, Rev. Barber discusses this text, about what the Legion of demons means.

Could you maybe give us a summary of the ideas? We are past Mark 5 now but the theme of demons keeps recurring in the gospel.

 

[Luce NDs]

Demonstrable ... the greatest mix-up ...

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Could you maybe give us a summary of the ideas? We are past Mark 5 now but the theme of demons keeps recurring in the gospel.

Rev. William Barber - is there as part of the Moral Monday and Revival of the Poor People’s Campaign, preaching/ speaking at a historic church in NY, where Lincoln attended and MLK preached and organized. Before bringing up the gospel of Mark, he spoke about the military industrial complex today - and, going into those verses, about how Legion is referring to the “demonic” occupation of the Roman Empire, and the man (a soldier?) was a victim of it.

 

[Luce NDs]

To the rich man in the eye of the needle ... there's a thin chance the powers will listen to pluralistic rapport of the lesser soiled ... thus hard cases ... thus schit flies .. a kind of paper WASP!

The medium doesn't stand up in assertive environments ... it is trumpeted by elle a faint ... chance? Quanta ... binary?

Somebody once said that dogma was to stone as faith was to soil ... thus the smearing of myth ... if you can imagine what was lost in transmute ... the clos*ET? Tis recessed ... like matteralism drift in the son ... tis genetic ... Matter horn on mother mire ^th! Virtue extends ... thus druid within ...