The Gospel of Mark
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He'll take those he's made righteous to be with him. He won't save everyone.
In light of those wishing to maintain a great host of people in the dark (occult) ... being that science is an evil thing from a dogmatic perspective ... can one see better while looking out from the darkness of the human soul that would deny and bury all else.
Someone stated that such fixation is like a stone while faith is like soil ... fertile for things to pop up ... right out of the dark as a metaphor of grand abstract virtue! Einstein stated that abstract has no particular direction and thus chaos from which order may be imagined ... yet dogmatic powers wishing control would burn such folks ... defining avarice!
Such is the experience of life as bits of the eternal pass through on their way over (to the other side) ... perhaps a Mid Summer Nights Dream as they go in the dark --- Washington Irving on dry humour! Could be a horse of a different shade ...
Someone stated that such fixation is like a stone while faith is like soil ... fertile for things to pop up ... right out of the dark as a metaphor of grand abstract virtue! Einstein stated that abstract has no particular direction and thus chaos from which order may be imagined ... yet dogmatic powers wishing control would burn such folks ... defining avarice!
Such is the experience of life as bits of the eternal pass through on their way over (to the other side) ... perhaps a Mid Summer Nights Dream as they go in the dark --- Washington Irving on dry humour! Could be a horse of a different shade ...
That's why he came his first time, yes. However, soon will come the judgment and not all will be saved. The good news is that he is still now in the saving business.
Interesting that the disciples call Jesus the Messiah and he refers to Himself as the Son of Man again.
Is the Messiah to be translated the same as being the son of God in Mark?
If we're ashamed of him, he's going to be ashamed of us. I'd call that judgment.
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Good question!
So I popped over to Bible Gateway. All the translations I can see translate Peter as saying, you are the Messiah or the Christ.
On the other hand Matthew gives us:
Matthew 16:16 New International Version (NIV)
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
I wonder why Mathew changed that? Mark is the earlier gospel....does anyone think Messiah means son of God or does it have more of a Jewish understanding?
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In Judaism the Messiah will come as liberator, I have always thought. I don't think it means son of God.
Matthew tells us Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit so I can see this gospel emphasizing the son of God aspect.
But go figure. In Luke, which also has Jesus being conceived by the Holy Spirit, Peter replies, "The Messiah of God."
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The Matthew version of Peter's reply is the most familiar to me. In fact, I remember it with "Thou art" language which tells me I learned it my Sunday School or Explorer days.
So Jesus asks us, who do we say He is? I remember a sermon preached by a former minister of mine (yes, the well-known one) on this very question.
So Jesus asks us, who do we say He is? I remember a sermon preached by a former minister of mine (yes, the well-known one) on this very question.
"Wonderful, A counsellor, God, Strong, Father of the world to coming, A prince of peace." - Isaiah 9:6b (WYC).
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Messiah is a term referring to a person anointed (chosen) to a purpose by God. The Persian ruler Cyrus is an example. Jesus is a person chosen by God to accomplish a purpose.
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Paeadox3 ---Your Quote ------The comment about the leaven of the Pharisees and Herod is interesting, especially when coupled with the rebuke to the disciples for not understanding the miracles of the bread and fishes. Is Jesus saying that both good and evil begin small and grow exponentially?
unsafe says ----No -----He is saying that False teachers here the Pharisees corrupt their whole Church -------there hearts are hardened to the truth ----
unsafe says ---This is very dangerous because these False Teachers and there are Many today that are leading their Church straight to the pit of eternal torment and not caring about it -----
The Greek word for Yeast ----
Strong's Concordance
zumé: leaven
Mark 8:15 -----explains of the teaching of the Pharisees, of their hypocrisy. It is applied to that which, though small in quantity, yet by its influence thoroughly pervades a thing a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump, which is used variously, according to the various things to which it is applied, viz. a single sin corrupts a whole church, a slight inclination to error (respecting the necessity of circumcision) easily perverts the whole conception of faith-- a few false teachers lead the whole church into error.'
unsafe says ----No -----He is saying that False teachers here the Pharisees corrupt their whole Church -------there hearts are hardened to the truth ----
unsafe says ---This is very dangerous because these False Teachers and there are Many today that are leading their Church straight to the pit of eternal torment and not caring about it -----
The Greek word for Yeast ----
Strong's Concordance
zumé: leaven
Mark 8:15 -----explains of the teaching of the Pharisees, of their hypocrisy. It is applied to that which, though small in quantity, yet by its influence thoroughly pervades a thing a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump, which is used variously, according to the various things to which it is applied, viz. a single sin corrupts a whole church, a slight inclination to error (respecting the necessity of circumcision) easily perverts the whole conception of faith-- a few false teachers lead the whole church into error.'