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There is no evidence to the contrary. I have never heard a sermon that was critical of our side in a war. Indeed, I have never heard of a church in any major, Christian country in history to take a stand against war. All countries have songs in praise of war and connecting our side to God..

"God, who make thee mighty, make thee mightier yet..."

The God our churches worship is the god of conformity. And conformity was not the message of Jesus.

The U.S. has invaded and is plundering almost every country in latin america. It is doing the same in Africa, the middle east...
The only Christians to speak against that were a couple of Catholic priests and Martin Luther King.

You're a Lutheran, jae? Tell us about the valiant resistance of Germany's Lutherans to the Naziis.

The tendency of all Christian churches has been to preach the gospel of conformity.

Joan of Arc was produced by one branch of the Catholic faith to kill the English. And it was clergy of the English side who ordered her burned alive.
 
crazyheart said:
So, Jae, why aren't you going to a Lutheran church?
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That's a fair question crazyheart. I was a Baptist well before I was theologically a Lutheran. I've been in my Baptist denomination for about two decades now. I really became a Lutheran just over my past years in seminary. My current Baptist church welcomes as members people of various evangelical streams. A lot of them are four-point Calvinists.
 
Oh, mendalla, since 1945, Christians have murdered as many as 20 million men, women and children. American Christians (and Jews) are starving millions to death in Yemen. What do they have to do for your to rate them was war-bent nutbars.
And note the current U.S. budget of over a trillion dollars, most of for weapons and killing - and very, very little for the American people.
 
Jae said:
That's possible. However, even if he was, what's the point? The vast majority of people in Lutheran denominations are not war-bent nutbars.
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The vast majority of Lutherans in Germany supported the rise of Hitler. This by remaing passive where they had opportunity to be prophetic.
 
GeoFee said:
The vast majority of Lutherans in Germany supported the rise of Hitler. This by remaing passive where they had opportunity to be prophetic.
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Yeah, we were kinda talking about American Lutherans in postmodern times GeoFee. :rolleyes:
 
Jae said:
Yeah, we were kinda talking about American Lutherans in postmodern times GeoFee. :rolleyes:
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Okay. Are you confident that majority of Lutherans are now aware of the rise of totalitarian power in the West and in the world? Are the majority of Christians aware of the impending collapse of the Western social economy?
 
GeoFee said:
Okay. Are you confident that majority of Lutherans are now aware of the rise of totalitarian power in the West and in the world? Are the majority of Christians aware of the impending collapse of the Western social economy?
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:confused:
 
Let's not quibble. Let's talk just in our time.

The U.S. has illegally bombed Cuba and blown up a Cuban airliner killing all aboard. It has also placed dreadful sanctions on Cuban trade. It routinely bombs civilians as major targets, so far dropping more bombs than it dropped in all of World War Two. It has killed, starved, mutilated, diseased, poisoned millions all over the world in the course of 70 illegal military wars. it has placed tens of thousands of aerial mines that will be killing children for many years to come. It has driven countries (illegally) into poverty with trade sanctions. It helped to murder some 200,000 Guatemalan civilians in a story our news media have yet to report (though NFB has a film about it.) It is dominated by ruthless billionaires who for many years have been grabbing all the wealth in the world, creating rising poverty and hunger even in the U.S. (especially in the U.S.).
The west (largely the U.S.) has created the horror of almost a hundred million refugees that, for the most part, we refuse to help.
Canada and the U.S. impose their mining companies on Latin America, the Congo, all over the world enforcing poverty, lack of fundamental services like health and education, and murdering those who protest.
heard many sermons on that?

Okay, Jae and Mendalla - care to put all that into a Christian context?

Christianity was supposed to encourage a society of moral conscience. Instead, it has maintained one of greed and indifference to human needs. It has accepted an economic system based solely on greed. And many, a great many, Christians seem to attend church to confirm their social acceptability in a society that has few marks of anything Jesus told us. And that is at the best. At an even lower level are those many churches that seem to think God's only message was to believe in Jesus so they can go to heaven while everybody else burns in hell. So long as they believe that they can steal, kill, abuse to their little hearts' content.

How's that for something up to date? Figure Jesus would be proud of his followers today?
 
Graeme Decarie said:
Let's not quibble. Let's talk just in our time.

The U.S. has illegally bombed Cuba and blown up a Cuban airliner killing all aboard. It has also placed dreadful sanctions on Cuban trade. It routinely bombs civilians as major targets, so far dropping more bombs than it dropped in all of World War Two. It has killed, starved, mutilated, diseased, poisoned millions all over the world in the course of 70 illegal military wars. it has placed tens of thousands of aerial mines that will be killing children for many years to come. It has driven countries (illegally) into poverty with trade sanctions. It helped to murder some 200,000 Guatemalan civilians in a story our news media have yet to report (though NFB has a film about it.) It is dominated by ruthless billionaires who for many years have been grabbing all the wealth in the world, creating rising poverty and hunger even in the U.S. (especially in the U.S.).
The west (largely the U.S.) has created the horror of almost a hundred million refugees that, for the most part, we refuse to help.
Canada and the U.S. impose their mining companies on Latin America, the Congo, all over the world enforcing poverty, lack of fundamental services like health and education, and murdering those who protest.
heard many sermons on that?

Okay, Jae and Mendalla - care to put all that into a Christian context?

Christianity was supposed to encourage a society of moral conscience. Instead, it has maintained one of greed and indifference to human needs. It has accepted an economic system based solely on greed. And many, a great many, Christians seem to attend church to confirm their social acceptability in a society that has few marks of anything Jesus told us. And that is at the best. At an even lower level are those many churches that seem to think God's only message was to believe in Jesus so they can go to heaven while everybody else burns in hell. So long as they believe that they can steal, kill, abuse to their little hearts' content.

How's that for something up to date? Figure Jesus would be proud of his followers today?
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What are your sources for that which you claim to be true Graeme? I have seen such ideas offered up by no one else. Since I don't trust the validity of your comments, I have nothing else to say based on them at this time.
 
I'm sorry you are functionally illiterate about the news. all of the above have been reported. All could easily be discovered by checking google. All of them can be found in quite respectable (even by your standards) news sources.

Perhaps you could tell me which of my points you think to be untrue. Perhaps you can tell us about the many sermons you have delivered on the subject of war.

But no. Like many people, you prefer not to believe what you don't want to believe.
 
Graeme Decarie said:
I'm sorry you are functionally illiterate about the news. all of the above have been reported. All could easily be discovered by checking google. All of them can be found in quite respectable (even by your standards) news sources.

Perhaps you could tell me which of my points you think to be untrue. Perhaps you can tell us about the many sermons you have delivered on the subject of war.

But no. Like many people, you prefer not to believe what you don't want to believe.
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So you didn't choose to actually identify any sources Graeme. Interesting that.
 
Graeme Decarie said:
I'm sorry you are functionally illiterate about the news. all of the above have been reported. All could easily be discovered by checking google. All of them can be found in quite respectable (even by your standards) news sources.

Perhaps you could tell me which of my points you think to be untrue. Perhaps you can tell us about the many sermons you have delivered on the subject of war.

But no. Like many people, you prefer not to believe what you don't want to believe.
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@Graeme Decarie
remember who you r responding to (not Mendalla)
DNFTT

also this neoliberalism thing isn't easy to unpack. all of us here r like fish; we r living in it all the time. all u can do is to show us your glass of watet so to speak

i'm still having difficulty sussing out just how deep it goes and where?
 
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