What Does It Mean To Fall From Grace ?

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Waterfall said:
Where does Grace and mercy enter into the hell picture? Doesn't Romans say that Christ died for the ungodly?
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Grace and Mercy , right here


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blackbelt1961 said:
let me know when your at one, then raise your self from the dead
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Never once have I every said that my personal self could do anything of worth spiritually. When I suggested that Unsafe should "save herself" and stop relying on Jesus to carry her burdens of life, I meant that she should find the God within and attempt to mirror that aspect of her God-Self. I didn't say anything different to her than what Jesus said when He announced that the Spiritual Kingdom of God could be found "within you" or when Paul disclosed the secrets of the mysteries with his words "Christ in you, the hope and glory".
 
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Neo said:
Never once have I every said that my personal self could do anything of worth spiritually. When I suggested that Unsafe should "save herself" and stop relying on Jesus to carry her burdens of life, I meant that she should find the God within and attempt to mirror that aspect of her God-Self. I didn't say anything different to her than what Jesus said when He announced that the Spiritual Kingdom of God could be found "within you" or when Paul disclosed the secrets of the mysteries with his words "Christ in you, the hope and glory".
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this is what you said :

It would make more sense if we were to consider Christ as being "at one" with God, as opposed to actually "being" God


who can Give Life again other than God??????,


 
Then life is 'eLLe for much of the host of the paradigm ... what is it that gives us a lift? a break in the routine time spent with heavies ... so we get a glimpse of light beyond this shadowy dark place ... to envision and alternate domain ... obviously hidden from the born tampers with the way it was prim ally ... messing with everything based on emotions alone as information of how to do it is beyond eM ... in the dark aria ... negro spiritual as rhythm and blown ...

Some appearance of Gabriel's horn may be encountered as a brief incident in the rye ... when man was de spirited ... may be rest in his piece ...
 
blackbelt1961 said:
this is what you said :

It would make more sense if we were to consider Christ as being "at one" with God, as opposed to actually "being" God


who can Give Life again other than God??????,
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I was thinking being "at one" with God as a synchronization or a perfect alignment with God. If you could polish the mirror of your spiritual heart to such a point that it perfectly reflected the God within then it would be difficult to discern the difference between the two. This, I believe, is what happened with Jesus. His "little" will become aligned and in perfect sync with the Will of God within. Therefore the God within expressed Itself through the man. This, I believe, is a potential for all of us.
 
Neo said:
I was thinking being "at one" with God as a synchronization or a perfect alignment with God.
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But non the less, still Not God

If you could polish the mirror of your spiritual heart to such a point that it perfectly reflected the God within then it would be difficult to discern the difference between the two.
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and this is where I so so so disagree with you , let me know who has done this and who raised himself from the dead
 
blackbelt1961 said:
this is what you said :

It would make more sense if we were to consider Christ as being "at one" with God, as opposed to actually "being" God


who can Give Life again other than God??????,
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-- Hi blackbelt--Brother according to The Apostle John. John 1: 3 It was Christ Jesus who made all life.
Jhn 1:3all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made.
 
blackbelt1961 said:
and this is where I so so so disagree with you , let me know who has done this and who raised himself from the dead
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This is something I don't get, how you hang so much on a story about a guy being raised from the dead. If this didn't happen as you believe, your whole world crumbles. You've bet the farm on this. All while we have so little to go on, including the bible which was written from, at best, decades old oral accounts.

Add to this what we know about comas and other ways people can appear to be dead, when they are not. It's a lot that you believe on faith, and of course others just aren't going to buy in the same way. And the way you present it, those who don't believe are doing something wrong. Any God who would be upset with someone for not believing that story, is not worthy of worship. That's a God who values gullibility over reason, and if God wanted gullibility, then he should have bred us differently. I like thinking. I appreciate the ability to analyze claims and to believe or not believe in what makes sense. I appreciate that skill in others. And what you present, is a God who appeals to our fearful, emotional side, but who doesn't want us questioning.

I don't believe in your God. That much is obvious. But I also don't respect the God you believe in. I think he's the ultimate jackass.
 
chansen said:
This is something I don't get, how you hang so much on a story about a guy being raised from the dead. If this didn't happen as you believe, your whole world crumbles. You've bet the farm on this. All while we have so little to go on, including the bible which was written from, at best, decades old oral accounts.
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I dont bet the farm on in, I bet my life on it , I take it on the Spirit, I dont expect you to believe nore anyone else for that matter with out that Spiritual experience
 
And how do you distinguish that from a garden-variety hallucination? Lots of people see and hear lots of things. The Holy Spirit has been said to tell different people completely contradictory things. Who was talking to the Holy Spirit, and who just needed better meds?
 
chansen said:
And how do you distinguish that from a garden-variety hallucination? Lots of people see and hear lots of things. The Holy Spirit has been said to tell different people completely contradictory things. Who was talking to the Holy Spirit, and who just needed better meds?
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there are millions of testimonies world wide through out all cultures , we may differ on certain aspects of what we believe God wants and wills, but the basic tenets of the HS and His witness in our lives, are all agreed apon.

again, I dont expect you to believe

im off to teach a 12 pm Martial arts class
 
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