What Does It Mean To Fall From Grace ?

[Neo]

Neo ---your quote -----Yes, "people are to blame" for the poverty in the world, and it will be people who fix it.

No wrong again Neo ---God will fix it not people ---People are to money hungry and that will not change until The New Earth ---and notice it says ----God will make his home with them ----God himself will be with them and be their God -----He will wipe every tear from their eyes. ----There won’t be any more death. ----There won’t be any grief, crying, or pain, -----

These are all Promises Neo ------God Will make ---God Will be ----He Will wipe ----There Won't be -----There Won't be ------ no more poverty ---no more deaths ---no more suffering ---no more wars -----etc --etc ---ctc ----


Revelation 21GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
A New Heaven and a New Earth

21 I saw a new heaven and a new earth, because the first heaven and earth had disappeared, and the sea was gone.2 Then I saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, dressed like a bride ready for her husband.3 I heard a loud voice from the throne say, “God lives with humans! God will make his home with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them and be their God.4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There won’t be any more death. There won’t be any grief, crying, or pain, because the first things have disappeared.”

You like to use scripture Neo but you don't believe it ------and a big mistake you make is that you think that you can achieve the Spiritual side of the scripture you quote all by yourself ---your a self made god Neo ----you need no one to obtain spiritual maturity except yourself ----through Karma and sowing and reaping through worldly meditation ------

Read this carefully -----this is what God wants for His Children -----John 10:10 ----Jesus is speaking here ----
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The thief comes only in order to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have and enjoy life, and have it in abundance [to the full, till it overflows].

So here we see that your Karma you talk about is not for this life ----while The scripture above is for God's Children in the here and now -----God's Blessings are all available in our life that we live on this earth -----

Read all here --- https://carm.org/karma-and-sin

Karma
The Sanskrit word “karma” basically means “to do or act.” In most basic terms, the law of karma states that one reaps what one sows. law of karma implies that every thought or deed, whether they are good or bad, will count in determining how an individual will be born in their next life on earth. So an individual with bad karma could be born many different times into lower castes of humans or even into lower forms of animals. In Hinduism, the person cannot be released until they are reborn into the Brahmin or priestly caste. So this is how karma and reincarnation are intertwined. So in reality individuals are in control of their salvation, which is their release from the cycle of birth and rebirth.1

Biblical Response

Some might say that karma is part of Christianity because of Galatians 6:7: “Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap.” Even though the scriptures teach us that we will reap what we will sow, karma and Christianity are not compatible. We must remember that Galatians 6:7is talking about this life time, not the afterlife. Karma and the biblical idea of reaping what you sow are not the same. The Bible teaches that we will die once and then be judged. Hebrews 9:27says “And inasmuch as it is appointed for me to die once and after this comes judgment.”

Oh yea ..., let's rely and "expect" God and Jesus to fix all our man-made problems. We shouldn't have to learn from our mistakes, nor should we have to fix our own mistakes... God and Jesus will do everything for us. All we have to do is "believe in Jesus" and all our problem will magically go away.

Sometimes Unsafe, your religion is very naive. You wait and expect something or somebody else to make everything better. We need to take responsibility for our own actions. We need to pick up our own cross and walk the way without being carried.

Have you ever thought that just maybe the actual mechanism that God will make our pain and our tears go away could be implemented by giving us the vision and the inspiration on how we can fix our problems ourselves? These are man-made problems with man-made solutions. Waiting and expecting for some external force to fix it all our problems is a cop-out.

As far as scripture like Hebrew 9:27 goes, I think maybe that that could've been the kind of teaching that we needed at the time. Humanity is maturing now and in need now of a greater revelation. The prediction that there there will be "no more death", for instance, could very well be accomplished by a raised awareness where we will come to realize that we really cannot die, at least not spiritually. Our bodies will still die but since our focus will be on our spiritual nature then in effect there will be no more death. Hebrew 9:27 would still be a true statement, as long as our focus is on the personality, i.e. the form aspect of of nature.

And the whole "karma" thing being not described in the Bible... well, again that's just a matter of interpreting the Bible to fit into a particular doctrine. Karma is a universal force in nature, described by Issac Newton's law of action and reaction. The Law of Karma is closely related to the Law of Cycles. However we name it doesn't change what it is.

 

[blackbelt1961]

Oh yea ..., let's rely and "expect" God and Jesus to fix all our man-made problems. We shouldn't have to learn from our mistakes, nor should we have to fix our own mistakes... God and Jesus will do everything for us. All we have to do is "believe in Jesus" and all our problem will magically go away.

unsafe is correct, that is the mark of Unfailing Love, it does not me that we are not learning along the way, it does mean that ultimately the King of peace will reign

Sometimes Unsafe, your religion is very naive. You wait and expect something or somebody else to make everything better. We need to take responsibility for our own actions. We need to pick up our own cross and walk the way without being carried.

sure, mans history and present is full of atrocities and will continue, that's our nature , so tell me who's ism's will prevail to make this world better? But its ok to believe that this world teacher maytera will fix it right?

Have you ever thought that just maybe the actual mechanism that God will make our pain and our tears go away could be implemented by giving us the vision and the inspiration on how we can fix our problems ourselves? These are man-made problems with man-made solutions. Waiting and expecting for some external force to fix it all our problems is a cop-out.

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[unsafe]

Neo ----your quote -----God and Jesus will do everything for us

Neo ---just so you know Jesus is God ---they are not separate ---in your Religion they are separate but not in the Bible -----there is God the Father ---God The Son and the Holy Spirit ----all one God Neo -----

 

[airclean33]

Hi Neo--Your post--
where we will come to realize that we really cannot die, at least not spiritually. Our bodies will still die but since our focus will be on our spiritual nature then in effect there will be no more death. Hebrew 9:27 would still be a true statement, as long as our focus is on the personality, i.e. the form aspect of of nature.


Airclean--post
I believe your right here Neo. But believe you have no understanding how right you are. Even though those who don't obey GOD deserve death". Or to be destroyed", for ever. God "will not do this. You know you are life , because God' made you. You will put you in a place , away from God. Where you will live forever, with out the love of God". You may find it would have been better, had he destroyed you completely. But our God is a maker, of life". Not a destroyer of it. It is written ,You were made in His likeness. You were made to be with GOD forever, and walk with Him" Through out the Universe, and with no end to time". Through Him" and His Power, nothing will be impossible for us. But we must learn , How When an Where to use it. First we will have a thousand years to learn", here on earth. Then GOD will always be with us" to help. Also we will have many Brothers" and Sisters" to help each other" , for we will be The Family of GOD".

 

[Ichthys]

From my point of view which is atheist, falling from grace is when you allow yourself to be taken off your own path either by yourself or someone else by ignoring your own desires and principles. But it also means that you allow yourself to become the type of human to deny others their own desires and principles.

tl:dr To me, falling from grace is betraying yourself and others.

 

[Delightful Life]

That's what nuklewelar weapons r for

They destroy souls

We human beings are an innovative species

Just like reality itself...coming up with things that never existed before tha weren't contained in what came before...

 

[Luce NDs]

Does humanity in collective form dream of destruction?

Yes, all the time hoping they will not be noticed in the fall ... and thus rise in the Runes or rubble ... fat chance if you don't believe in quantum space ... a dark aria?

 

[Neo]

Neo ----your quote -----God and Jesus will do everything for us

Neo ---just so you know Jesus is God ---they are not separate ---in your Religion they are separate but not in the Bible -----there is God the Father ---God The Son and the Holy Spirit ----all one God Neo -----

The concept that Jesus "is" God is a bit more complex than I suspect you believe, otherwise He would've have shown clear schizophrenic tendencies when He cried out on the cross, for instance, "Father, why have you forsaken me".

It would make more sense if we were to consider Christ as being "at one" with God, as opposed to actually "being" God. In this way Christ would rather be seen a perfect reflection or image thereof instead of actually being God. It's a subtle difference but would answer a lot of stubborn questions.

 

[Neo]

Hi Neo--Your post--
where we will come to realize that we really cannot die, at least not spiritually. Our bodies will still die but since our focus will be on our spiritual nature then in effect there will be no more death. Hebrew 9:27 would still be a true statement, as long as our focus is on the personality, i.e. the form aspect of of nature.


Airclean--post
I believe your right here Neo. But believe you have no understanding how right you are. Even though those who don't obey GOD deserve death". Or to be destroyed", for ever. God "will not do this. You know you are life , because God' made you. You will put you in a place , away from God. Where you will live forever, with out the love of God". You may find it would have been better, had he destroyed you completely. But our God is a maker, of life". Not a destroyer of it. It is written ,You were made in His likeness. You were made to be with GOD forever, and walk with Him" Through out the Universe, and with no end to time". Through Him" and His Power, nothing will be impossible for us. But we must learn , How When an Where to use it. First we will have a thousand years to learn", here on earth. Then GOD will always be with us" to help. Also we will have many Brothers" and Sisters" to help each other" , for we will be The Family of GOD".

Nice backhanded complement. I don't believe in an eternal hell where one is separated from God forever. I believe this doctrine, of eternal hell for those who are not Christian, to be on that list of "crap doctrines".

 

[unsafe]

Neo ---your quote --- I believe this doctrine, of eternal hell for those who are not Christian, to be on that list of "crap doctrines".

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Did they drill into a underground base, or hell? Maybe it's a hoax or not! ----maybe it is crap doctrine or maybe it is not -----who knows ----we Will know for sure when we pass on ---now that is the Real Truth Doctrine -----

 

[blackbelt1961]

Nice backhanded complement. I don't believe in an eternal hell where one is separated from God forever. I believe this doctrine, of eternal hell for those who are not Christian, to be on that list of "crap doctrines".

I find it interesting that People like to pick and choose to believe what Jesus said

 

[blackbelt1961]

The concept that Jesus "is" God is a bit more complex than I suspect you believe, otherwise He would've have shown clear schizophrenic tendencies when He cried out on the cross, for instance, "Father, why have you forsaken me".

It would make more sense if we were to consider Christ as being "at one" with God, as opposed to actually "being" God. In this way Christ would rather be seen a perfect reflection or image thereof instead of actually being God. It's a subtle difference but would answer a lot of stubborn questions.

let me know when your at one, then raise your self from the dead

 

[Luce NDs]

In Hebrew death is wisdom ... when one dies to the emotional life!

Then to get that far would one have to dig a well in past times when they didn't have drills organized and thus Joseph was the master of digging in dark places of dreams ... the Josephine well as finagled .. as a whetted spot!

 

[Neo]

I find it interesting that People like to pick and choose to believe what Jesus said

So you're good with cutting off your hand if it sins or plucking out your eye if lusts? The Bible is full of allegory and symbolism. Our job is to learn what should be read as literal and what shouldn't be.

 

[blackbelt1961]

So you're good with cutting off your hand if it sins or plucking out your eye if lusts? The Bible is full of allegory and symbolism. Our job is to learn what should be read as literal and what shouldn't be.

it's also interesting that you would use that Parable when Jesus is teaching about hell

 

[Waterfall]

it's also interesting that you would use that Parable when Jesus is teaching about hell

Where does Grace and mercy enter into the hell picture? Doesn't Romans say that Christ died for the ungodly?

 

[Jaebius]

Where does Grace and mercy enter into the hell picture? Doesn't Romans say that Christ died for the ungodly?

Because of God's mercy he will save us from Hell. Because of His grace He will give us something far better than Hell.

 

[Waterfall]

Because of God's mercy he will save us from Hell. Because of His grace He will give us something far better than Hell.

Yes far better to realize this than say that Jesus spoke of sending people to Hell.

 

[Jaebius]

Yes far better to realize this than say that Jesus spoke of sending people to Hell.

Jesus came to Earth participating in the missio Dei. He has no interest in sending people to Hell. He wants to see everyone saved which is why he died that all might live.

 

[Neo]

it's also interesting that you would use that Parable when Jesus is teaching about hell

I know