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Pavros, I routinely listen to astronomers opine on SETI, the potential of the Hubble Telescope, etc, and they routinely pontificate, "The universe must be filled with life." You just need to listen to more academic interviews. And no, you're wrong. We know about the bulding blocks of life, but have no idea how it emerged. Oh, and I guess I need to explain: If microbial life can be found on Mars or, say, Europas, this would demonstrate the viability of its spontaneous emergence in a variety of conditions. Since we don't how life is created, we can't be sure it emerged on other planets. Can you say "evidence?"

Pavlos, your ignorance astounds me. So duh, here's your assignment: find me one leading peer-reviewed scientific journal that expresses the consensus on how life was created and provide me a study that produced life from non-life in a lab.
 
Mystic said:
Are UFOs from parallel dimensions, the spirit world, or a different solar system in our universe? One aspect of this question troubles me. Scientists often dogmatically declare that universe is teeming with life. Such dogmatism is strikingly premature because we don't know how life was created, whether or not God is the ultimate Creator. But I do believe this: if microbial life is found on Mars, the moon Europa, or somewhere else in our solar system, then it seems reasonable to claim that it must be present in countless solar systems throughout our universe..
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That's why its so important to collect data on this phenomena in as objective a way as possible

And then and only then can we try to come up with hypothesis to test, to find an actual ontology to the phenomenon

Whether it be 'conscious collapse of the wave function' or 'demons' or 'beings from another dimension' or 'magnetic & gravitic fields interacting with our neurologies' or 'highly advanced Earth tech' or...
 
I must admit, I have to agree with Mystic here, regarding what we know of life. We may know many of the secrets of the "mechanics" of nature, but we don't know the "reason" behind life.

Despite what Stephen Hawkins believes, I believe there is purpose and plan behind all manifested matter. Evolution, I believe, has an endgame.

I would even say that in an ever changing Universe of cause and effect, the Universe itself is the effect of a Great Unseen Cause. This would imply that out of the darkness comes the light, (which is a statement that happens to agree with Genesis 1, 2 and 3).
 
Neo said:
I must admit, I have to agree with Mystic here, regarding what we know of life. We may know many of the secrets of the "mechanics" of nature, but we don't know the "reason" behind life.

Despite what Stephen Hawkins believes, I believe there is purpose and plan behind all manifested matter. Evolution, I believe, has an endgame.

I would even say that in an ever changing Universe of cause and effect, the Universe itself is the effect of a Great Unseen Cause. This would imply that out of the darkness comes the light, (which is a statement that happens to agree with Genesis 1, 2 and 3).
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I assume that you're anthropocentric enough to think that this evolutionary end-game has something to do with humans. And not, for instance, with dolphins?
 
BetteTheRed said:
I assume that you're anthropocentric enough to think that this evolutionary end-game has something to do with humans. And not, for instance, with dolphins?
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I think humans, as important as they are evolution, are still only part of the whole plan of evolution. Life marches on through all the forms of life.

"The Breath becomes a stone; the stone, a plant; the plant, an animal; the animal, a man; the man, a spirit; and the spirit, a god."
- an old Kabbalistic quote
 
Mystic said:
Pavros, I routinely listen to astronomers opine on SETI, the potential of the Hubble Telescope, etc, and they routinely pontificate, "The universe must be filled with life." You just need to listen to more academic interviews.
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Citations needed? I did ask before, just saying you heard it, is another claim.
Mystic said:
And no, you're wrong. We know about the bulding blocks of life, but have no idea how it emerged.
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Probably because I never said we did! I said " But we have a reasonably (note the reasonably) good idea"
Mystic said:
Oh, and I guess I need to explain: If microbial life can be found on Mars or, say, Europas, this would demonstrate the viability of its spontaneous emergence in a variety of conditions. Since we don't how life is created, we can't be sure it emerged on other planets. Can you say "evidence?"
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You need to study a little. http://www.talkorigins.org/
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Pavlos, your ignorance astounds me.
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Pot calling the kettle black. especially as you strawmaned what I actually said. Sweet pea.
Mystic said:
So duh, here's your assignment: find me one leading peer-reviewed scientific journal that expresses the consensus on how life was created and provide me a study that produced life from non-life in a lab.
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Lol what to the strawman you produced. Lol.
You first sweet pea. I ask for citation. Produce those. and then I might teach you, how not to strawman and how to read, but not till then ok!
And then only if you're good.
 
Neo, I'd like to thank you for starting this thread, which has led to some interesting discussion and speculation on the origin and nature of UFOs and the possibility of extraterrestrial life. As an added bonus, watching Mystic and Pavlos Maros go toe to toe is helping compensate for there being no Canadian teams in the Stanley Cup playoffs!
 
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Pr. Jae said:
There are sometimes things flying in the sky that we aren't able to identify.
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Hence the "U" of UFO. What makes many of them so mysterious however is that many of these UFO's don't act or appear like the things we do know about.

We've seen evidence of extra-terristial contact in all of our historical scripture. The following, for instance, from Matthew 2:9, which describes an star-like object that led the wise men and "stood over" the baby Jesus: "When they heard the king, they departed; and behold, the star which they had seen in the East went before them, till it came and stood over where the young Child was." Stars don't hover over something as small as a stable.

We know of numerous archeological sites and monuments that we simply have no idea how or why these things were made. But we somehow turn a blind eye to the how's and why's, i.e. the generally accepted notion that the pyramids were built by slaves and used as tombs, or the even more bizarre notion that a handful of Polynesian natives built the almost 900 "moai" figures of Easter Island. Were these monuments built with alien technology? I don't know but It sure would answer a lot of questions.

In our modern times I doubt there's been a single US president since Eisenhower who hasn't been involved somehow in the cover-up UFOs. And these UFO sighings and encounters (as in Roswell, New Mexico) from their own officials, their own military personal, their own astronauts.

And these cover-ups have happened all over the world. Hopefully one day soon, full disclosure will happen, telling the people of the world what the governments have known for a long time.
 
Inannawhimsey said:
an oldie but a goody :3
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This one was proven a hoax. I just read about it while I went looking up UFO stuff...to get in on the fun here. I'll have to go find the link again...but this one's a dud.

There's some funny stuff on the web....people finding disk like ancient stone carvings and concluding they are "proof" of ancient UFOs (but, of course!)...when they appear to be...stone carvings. Who knows what they were for, maybe archeologists have or will discover other explanations, but that's quite a leap in logic.

And...anyone know how long "they've" been working on drone technology? I'm guessing for as long as there's been radio controlled toy airplanes...longer probably. Which was probably amazing itself back in the day...even radio is pretty amazing, but it's not an alien technology. Heck, we have Internet, and satellites and space travel and hadron collider...I don't know this but it makes sense that "they" would have a handle on all new technologies such as any flying object technologies before they hit the toy store. I think a lot of "sightings" are probably terrestrially designed prototypes or functional technologies we just don't necessarily know about yet.
 
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Kimmio said:
This one was proven a hoax. I just read about it while I went looking up UFO stuff...to get in on the fun here. I'll have to go find the link again...but this one's a dud.

There's some funny stuff on the web....people finding disk like ancient stone carvings and concluding they are "proof" of ancient UFOs (but, of course!)...when they appear to be...stone carvings. Who knows what they were for, maybe archeologists have or will discover other explanations, but that's quite a leap in logic.

And...anyone know how long "they've" been working on drone technology? I'm guessing for as long as there's been radio controlled toy airplanes...longer probably. Which was probably amazing itself back in the day...even radio is pretty amazing, but it's not an alien technology. Heck, we have Internet, and satellites and space travel and hadron collider...I don't know this but it makes sense that "they" would have a handle on all new technologies such as any flying object technologies before they hit the toy store. I think a lot of "sightings" are probably terrestrially designed prototypes or functional technologies we just don't necessarily know about yet.
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I've always thought that video looked a little odd but the story itself is one that sent the airforce into a frenzy. The event itself was not something to be ignored or glossed over, at least at the time. Eventually, however, another poorly executed cover-up eventually became the official story.
 
Neo said:
I've always thought that video looked a little odd but the story itself is one that sent the airforce into a frenzy. The event itself was not something to be ignored or glossed over, at least at the time. Eventually, however, another poorly executed cover-up eventually became the official story.
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I don't rightly know what she was writing aboot there (it might have been this). Here's a link to the original Life article aboot the incident.

From there, one can give good estimates as to what is fact (eg. Air Force scrambling jets, radar blips) and what is guessing (what exactly those blips were, whether aliens or temperature inversions...)...of course, if one were to apply Occam's Razor to this, it would fail, because it doesn't match up with scripture...
 
Inannawhimsey said:
I don't rightly know what she was writing aboot there (it might have been this). Here's a link to the original Life article aboot the incident.

From there, one can give good estimates as to what is fact (eg. Air Force scrambling jets, radar blips) and what is guessing (what exactly those blips were, whether aliens or temperature inversions...)...of course, if one were to apply Occam's Razor to this, it would fail, because it doesn't match up with scripture...
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It was the video itself, not the story. The claim is that the video itself was a recreation for some television show in 2005.
 
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