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Another awesome thing aboot Islam

is I have a lovely laquered box

that I inherited from my Oma -- on the underside of the lid, inside, is a bit of paper with neet cursive language on it -- Persian

my Oma has translated it for me on a piece of paper that I keep in the box

"1. Al-Fatihah: Introduction to this Surat.

1. In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful
2. All the praises and thanks be to Allah, the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists)
3. The Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful
4. The Only Owner (and the Only Ruling Judge) of the Day of Recompense (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)
5. You (Alone) we worship, and You (Alone) we ask for help (for each and everything)
6. Guide us to the Straight Way
7. The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger, nor of those who went astray"
 
Another awesome thing aboot Islam

is I have a lovely laquered box

that I inherited from my Oma -- on the underside of the lid, inside, is a bit of paper with neet cursive language on it -- Persian

my Oma has translated it for me on a piece of paper that I keep in the box

"1. Al-Fatihah: Introduction to this Surat.

1. In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful
2. All the praises and thanks be to Allah, the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists)
3. The Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful
4. The Only Owner (and the Only Ruling Judge) of the Day of Recompense (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)
5. You (Alone) we worship, and You (Alone) we ask for help (for each and everything)
6. Guide us to the Straight Way
7. The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger, nor of those who went astray"

Beautiful! I don't know your oma's religion but in the middle east the name Allah was (and is) used for God by both Muslims and Christians. This is a beautiful statement about Allah (God).
 
That's the first surah (ie. the beginning) of the Qu'ran and one of the most concise and powerful passages in it.
 
Or so it goes as allah'd on my mine ... a depressed piece of the eternal when you see what mortal powers have done to deny large stretches of said infinite go aD IT ...

In Proverbs it says Wisdom is a sad ting and thus reacts sadistic Allah ...
 
Other cool Islam things

a modern iteration of Islam, Adnan Oktar -- interesting to see how western concepts get played out in foreign cultures -- a trippy take on feminism

I DO hope they don't get murdered by their fellow muslims like the peaceloving (and apostate) Ahmadiyya sect of Islam, ruling from their own caliph, who believe in love for all, no hate even for Jews...tis bizarre & a shame how being moderate makes them a target for destruction
 
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Is this Muslim leader a cross between a secretive Hugh Hefner with his bunnies and a feminist creationist Mullah? Weird!
 
@Mystic
Do you not see that all life is weird? You a'Muse me ... and thus another funny thing I learned out in the idia market today ... Hadassah?

If learning goes on does this cause a change in the direction of timely intelligent religion ... thus the go around in a swerve attitude ... spiralling nut cases?

When in Rome pull on a cover-up ... appear as a Roman in the fabric of life ...
 
@Jihad Mohammad Hyjazie,

Firstly, let me give you some context. I consider myself to be very open minded -- one of my hobbies is to explore and collect points of view -- I also love seeing how other people worship -- I have been to many different congregations & religious ceremonies -- I really love people -- we are all so silly and wonderful & amazing. I also have a bias for religions that have a built-in sense of humour & I think that a lot of problems in the world come from people taking their world, themselves, etc way too solemnly. I also believe that everyone has certain inalienable rights that aren't given by our governments. I also believe that one of those inalienable rights is the right to religion; religion I believe is an integral part to humanity, it provides some essential meat. I also believe that ideas and thoughts are different than acts...thoughts & ideas shouldn't be illegal or punished, but acts should be. I used to think that all ideas are equal, but I'm seeing that not all ideas (and that includes systems of governance, countries, economic methods, etc) are equal, some ideas work better than others, but that countries have sovereignty and ability of freedom of thought & ideas are a part of our human inalienable rights. Whew!

So, good thing that there is a bounty of historical information on Mohammad. Following is a non-exhaustive list

In a mere 10 years of time, Mohammad commanded or led some 65 military campaigns

When Mohammad conquered Mecca, he ran across 2 slave girls singing what was interpreted as a satirical song aboot Mohammad.

How did he deal with this? He asked to warriors to murder them. When the girls tried escaping, one of the warriors ran down the girls and trampled them to death with his horse. Mohammad then had the owner of the slave girls put to death.

After he conquered Mecca, his old scribe who was responsible for copying down Mohammad's utterances from Allah (who did a kind of shorthand -- ferexample, when Mohammad would describe Allah the all-knowing & the All-Graceful he would write Allah the all-merciful & compassionate) noticed that after a while, Mohammad would change his utterances to what he the scribe had been writing. The scribe reasoned that if Mohammad were getting these utterances from Allah himself, Allah wouldn't change the wording and Mohammad would know the original wording. So the scribe ended up leaving Islam and going back to the religion of his fathers. Once Mohammad got back into Mecca, he made a hit list of those who must be killed. Guess one person who was on the hit list? The scribe hid with his brother or brother-in-law until things died down. His brother/brother-in-law then begged for mercy from Mohammad. After much pleading & Mohammad silence, Mohammad said that the scribe is forgiven. When he left the room Mohammad turned on his followers, very angry, asking them why they didn't cut the brother/brother-in-law down, why didn't you cut off his head? One of his men said that they weren't given orders to cut off his head. Mohammad replied that they don't need a sign from him to cut off the head of somebody who is a critic of mine*

In Medina, before Mohammad took Mecca, there were some poets who objected to Mohammad's way of rewarding those who were faithful to him (by taking people out on raids on camel caravans from Mecca to Syria & murdering a few people & stealing their loot). One of these poets was the daughter of Marwan who had 5 children. One of Mohammad's warriors went to her home, taking a baby and murdered the daughter. In the morning the warrior was afraid that he had done this without explicit orders from Mohammad; upon meeting with Mohammad, Mohammad said that the world will no more care aboot this woman than it cares aboot two goats butting their heads together.

In the Battle of Badr Allah tells Mohammad It behooveth not a prophet that he should have captives until he hath greatly slaughtered in the land

Mohammad declared that Jews are a race without understanding...transformed into apes and swine...Evil indeed are their works...

When Mohammad attacked the Jewish Banu Quaraiza and they surrendered, all the men were beheaded, the women and children taken as slaves, and the property distributed as booty.

A study was done with a big sample size (some 10,000 people in 10 different countries) looking at the odds of scapegoating (which is positively correlated with dogmatism, inflexibility of belief & commitment to violence); they broke up the groups among Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox, Other, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, Non-religious, Atheists & Agnostics. The groups with the highest potential to scapegoat were the Catholics, Orthodox & Atheists. The groups with the lowest were the Buddhists, Hindus & Muslims. There's a lot of nuance. There's even been studies looking at scapegoating but to see if things like prayer & church attendance affect it...but that's enough for now, I think :3

So I don't think that this historical information on Mohammad means that Islam is wrong or evil...I believe religions are like pretty much like every other tool of humanity -- they can be used for both good and evil, right and wrong. The above historicity of Mohammad shows that what ISIL/DAESH/VZTP is doing isn't different from what Mohammad believed and acted like. & I understand how powerful beliefs can be and in-group cohesion.

*This illuminates the strange conversation between a reporter and one of the Charlie Hebdo murderers, Cherif Kouachi, he said "We are not killers. We are defenders of the prophet, we don’t kill women. We kill no one. We defend the prophet. If someone offends the prophet then there is no problem, we can kill him. We don’t kill women. We are not like you. You are the ones killing women and children in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. This isn’t us. We have an honour code in Islam."

Unfortunately, I have to point to the admin that the alerts that used to come to my emails are not coming anymore for some reason. This is one of the important reasons for my delay.

Lots of material here. I am glad I joined this post. Very glad. Inannawhimsey thanks for being very open and frank and detailed about your views. I am extremely extremely busy these days. But I will do my very best to tackle each of your points one subject at a time, God willing. I am currently out of town and I am away from my library. I would like to respond to your allegations one at a time with references. I am also curious about yours. My point is not in anyway at all to convince you necessarily. My point is to enrich the dialogue. I am firm believer that in due time the Truth will prevail and be known and we will each settle into our places as a function of our commitment to follow it. You have provided a good platform for a good discussion about some of the outer layers of the reality of the Last Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him and his holy progeny). I pray that each of you will have the opportunity to continue your research until you delve deeper and deeper into the consummate reality of the Seal of Prophet (pbuhf).

This being said, those currently defaming Islam in its name should not be its spokespersons, although their are many who are looking for someone to depict Islam that way for different reasons - if not collaborating with them also. Ultimately, however, this terrible challenge which Islam is facing today will ultimately bring to the surface the true face of Islam. False Islam (represented by ISIL and its sisters and its allies and its beneficiaries and its exploiters), which has become a problem for all of humankind can and will only be defeated by one power: True Islam. It is a question of time.

Hence, we are all implicated to understand true Islam from its true sources and representatives. The other approach of feeding into the ISIL narrative will also feed into the problem. I know it sounds like a daunting task, but it is possible and will happen. In fact, if you look carefully enough, you will begin to see that it is already happening. :)

This being said, I had originally come to this forum today to share with you this playlist. It is a movie that has been aired in the film festival a few months ago and will help in your understanding of a religion whose followers comprise one fifth the population of our globe. :)


Also, you might be interested in this conference that took place in the UK:
http://www.ic-el.com/en/content.asp?idnum=159&state=article

Further, you may benefit from visiting this website and benefiting from its resources:
http://www.ic-el.com/en/

Sincerely,
be in God's Care,
A fellow seeker
 
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Hi, @Jihad Mohammad Hyjazie . Nice to see you back again. Check in on the thread below. Your perspective on the original topic might be helpful (and might get the thread back on topic :D).

http://wondercafe2.ca/index.php?threads/muslims-christians-same-god.2376/

As for your email alerts, I have them turned off myself so I have to do a bit of checking to see what needs to be turned on for them to work, but one I know you should check is:

Click on your name in the upper right corner and choose "Alert Preferences". Make sure all the checkboxes in the first section are checked (which controls whether alerts are generated when people quote you, tag you, etc.).

Just not sure after that where to go to make the alerts then get emailed. I'll ask and see if another admin or mod can remember.
 
Unfortunately, I have to point to the admin that the alerts that used to come to my emails are not coming anymore for some reason. This is one of the important reasons for my delay.

Lots of material here. I am glad I joined this post. Very glad. Inannawhimsey thanks for being very open and frank and detailed about your views. I am extremely extremely busy these days. But I will do my very best to tackle each of your points one subject at a time, God willing. I am currently out of town and I am away from my library. I would like to respond to your allegations one at a time with references. I am also curious about yours. My point is not in anyway at all to convince you necessarily. My point is to enrich the dialogue. I am firm believer that in due time the Truth will prevail and be known and we will each settle into our places as a function of our commitment to follow it. You have provided a good platform for a good discussion about some of the outer layers of the reality of the Last Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him and his holy progeny). I pray that each of you will have the opportunity to continue your research until you delve deeper and deeper into the consummate reality of the Seal of Prophet (pbuhf).

This being said, those currently defaming Islam in its name should not be its spokespersons, although their are many who are looking for someone to depict Islam that way for different reasons - if not collaborating with them also. Ultimately, however, this terrible challenge which Islam is facing today will ultimately bring to the surface the true face of Islam. False Islam (represented by ISIL and its sisters and its allies and its beneficiaries and its exploiters), which has become a problem for all of humankind can and will only be defeated by one power: True Islam. It is a question of time.

Hence, we are all implicated to understand true Islam from its true sources and representatives. The other approach of feeding into the ISIL narrative will also feed into the problem. I know it sounds like a daunting task, but it is possible and will happen. In fact, if you look carefully enough, you will begin to see that it is already happening. :)

This being said, I had originally come to this forum today to share with you this playlist. It is a movie that has been aired in the film festival a few months ago and will help in your understanding of a religion whose followers comprise one fifth the population of our globe. :)


Also, you might be interested in this conference that took place in the UK:
http://www.ic-el.com/en/content.asp?idnum=159&state=article

Further, you may benefit from visiting this website and benefiting from its resources:
http://www.ic-el.com/en/

Sincerely,
be in God's Care,
A fellow seeker

Hello Mohammed, While I believe you are very sincere in what you say, what you say sounds painfully similar to what many Christians strong in faith in their particular sects (Catholic, Orthodox, Pentecostal, and so on) say about their particular version of the Christian faith. Most thoughtful Christians recognize that their particular brand is not necessarily the "True Christian" faith for all Christians, even though it is the right one for them. Christians murdered each other in the tens of thousands in wars over the right brand. I see Moslems doing the same thing to each other. Since faith is more emotional than intellectual, I hold little hope for an end soon to violent conflict or groups like Daesh.
 
Hi, @Jihad Mohammad Hyjazie . Nice to see you back again. Check in on the thread below. Your perspective on the original topic might be helpful (and might get the thread back on topic :D).

http://wondercafe2.ca/index.php?threads/muslims-christians-same-god.2376/

As for your email alerts, I have them turned off myself so I have to do a bit of checking to see what needs to be turned on for them to work, but one I know you should check is:

Click on your name in the upper right corner and choose "Alert Preferences". Make sure all the checkboxes in the first section are checked (which controls whether alerts are generated when people quote you, tag you, etc.).

Just not sure after that where to go to make the alerts then get emailed. I'll ask and see if another admin or mod can remember.

Thank you Mendalla.

Yes @Jihad Mohammad Hyjazie please do check out that thread. Having read Miroslav Volf's book Allah: A Christian Response, I'd be interested in your insight.
 
In a world of powerful lies on either polity ... is it difficult to find truth as is the philosopher's stone ... a hard love of knowledge and wisdom about and above all things? Metaphysical attributes like thoughts and emotions in a balanced state?

We're not there yet ... a sort of sartorial mistake?
 
Jihad, how important is the Gospel of Barnabas to Islam?
Is it regarded as a forgery to Muslims? Why or why not?
 
I am really sorry for not being able to keep up with your beautiful pursuit of knowledge. I want you to know that I have been thinking about you a lot. I need your prayers to be able to get on top of things in my own personal life and find more time to have these beautiful and rich (and frank... :)) conversations.

This being said, I want to take this moment to wish you a Happy Easter(please let me know if this is the correct way to congratulate fellow believers from the Christian creed)! I pray that this will be a time of reflection, sincere prayer, introspection and commitment to increased self-purification and growth all anchored and firm planted in trust in God, the Most High.
 
Hi, @Jihad Mohammad Hyjazie . Nice to see you back again. Check in on the thread below. Your perspective on the original topic might be helpful (and might get the thread back on topic :D).

http://wondercafe2.ca/index.php?threads/muslims-christians-same-god.2376/

As for your email alerts, I have them turned off myself so I have to do a bit of checking to see what needs to be turned on for them to work, but one I know you should check is:

Click on your name in the upper right corner and choose "Alert Preferences". Make sure all the checkboxes in the first section are checked (which controls whether alerts are generated when people quote you, tag you, etc.).

Just not sure after that where to go to make the alerts then get emailed. I'll ask and see if another admin or mod can remember.

Just a technical point, Mendalla. I have my alerts turned "On" but sometimes I get alerts about new posts in threads I've participated in and sometimes I don't. It's a bit confusing.
 
I am really sorry for not being able to keep up with your beautiful pursuit of knowledge. I want you to know that I have been thinking about you a lot. I need your prayers to be able to get on top of things in my own personal life and find more time to have these beautiful and rich (and frank... :)) conversations.

This being said, I want to take this moment to wish you a Happy Easter(please let me know if this is the correct way to congratulate fellow believers from the Christian creed)! I pray that this will be a time of reflection, sincere prayer, introspection and commitment to increased self-purification and growth all anchored and firm planted in trust in God, the Most High.

Good thoughts are always proper in any ghost of mind (being an abstract of brain). However being thoughts and emotions are non physical ... akin to ghosts in the desert ... many physical beings will fear and be angered at such spirits being present. Fear and anger is often an attribute to hostility in religious BS's!

This concern will often bring on a case of heavies to the physical while we metaphysical people escape the concerns of the institutionalized and wander off into wild places ... if you could just imagine souls and spirits out there mingling ...

Out-there? They have to be in many modern religions no ghosts or metaphysical attributes of non-physical or fluid personalities are allowed to giggle ... scared the BJ out of the fixated ... and then they can't learn anything ... thus nothing is beyond them ... as they have isolated nothing and eternal things from their state of mind ... soulfully lost ...
 
Jihad Mohammad Hyjazie said:
I need your prayers to be able to get on top of things in my own personal life and find more time to have these beautiful and rich (and frank... :)) conversations.

We can manage that. Take the time you need. We aren't going anywhere.

Jihad Mohammad Hyjazie said:
This being said, I want to take this moment to wish you a Happy Easter(please let me know if this is the correct way to congratulate fellow believers from the Christian creed)!

This is a very correct greeting to Christians. Thank you.

Jihad Mohammad Hyjazie said:
I pray that this will be a time of reflection, sincere prayer, introspection and commitment to increased self-purification and growth all anchored and firm planted in trust in God, the Most High.

I am ready to greet my resurrected Lord.
 
"Peace to me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I am raised alive.’ That is Jesus, son of Mary, a Word of the Real concerning whom they are in doubt." - Holy Quran - Surah Mariam (Mary), [19:33-34]

-Bismillah ar-Rahman ar-Rahim-
In the Name of God, the All-beneficent, the All-merciful

19|1|Kaf, Ha, Ya, ‘Ayn, Suad.
19|2|[This is] an account of your Lord’s mercy on His servant, Zechariah,
19|3|when he called out to his Lord with a secret cry.
19|4|He said, ‘My Lord! Indeed my bones have become feeble, and my head has turned white with age, yet never have I, my Lord, been disappointed in supplicating You!
19|5|Indeed I fear my kinsmen, after me, and my wife is barren. So grant me from Yourself an heir
19|6|who may inherit from me and inherit from the House of Jacob, and make him, my Lord, pleasing [to You]!’
19|7|‘O Zechariah! Indeed We give you the good news of a son, whose name is ‘‘John.’’ Never before have We made anyone his namesake.’
19|8|He said, ‘My Lord! How shall I have a son, when my wife is barren, and I am already advanced in age?’
19|9|He said, ‘So shall it be. Your Lord has said, ‘‘It is simple for Me.’’ Certainly I created you before when you were nothing.’
19|10|He said, ‘My Lord! Appoint a sign for me.’ He said, ‘Your sign is that you will not speak to the people for three complete nights.’
19|11|So he emerged before his people from the Temple, and signalled to them that they should glorify [God] morning and evening.
19|12|‘O John!’ [We said,] ‘Hold on with power to the Book!’ And We gave him judgement while still a child,
19|13|and a compassion and purity from Us. He was Godwary
19|14|and good to his parents, and was not self-willed or disobedient.
19|15|Peace be to him, the day he was born, and the day he dies, and the day he is raised alive!
19|16|And mention in the Book Mary, when she withdrew from her family to an easterly place.
19|17|Thus did she seclude herself from them, whereupon We sent to her Our Spirit and he became incarnate for her as a well-proportioned human.
19|18|She said, ‘I seek the protection of the All-beneficent from you, should you be Godwary!’
19|19|He said, ‘I am only a messenger of your Lord that I may give you a pure son.’
19|20|She said, ‘How shall I have a child seeing that no human being has ever touched me, nor have I been unchaste?’
19|21|He said, ‘So shall it be. Your Lord says, ‘‘It is simple for Me.’’ And so that We may make him a sign for mankind and a mercy from Us, and it is a matter [already] decided.’
19|22|Thus she conceived him, then withdrew with him to a distant place.
19|23|The birth pangs brought her to the trunk of a date palm. She said, ‘I wish I had died before this and become a forgotten thing, beyond recall.’
19|24|Thereupon he called her from below her [saying,] ‘Do not grieve! Your Lord has made a spring to flow at your feet.
19|25|Shake the trunk of the palm tree, freshly picked dates will drop upon you.
19|26|Eat, drink, and be comforted. Then if you see any human, say, ‘‘Indeed I have vowed a fast to the All-beneficent, so I will not speak to any human today.’’ ’
19|27|Then carrying him she brought him to her people. They said, ‘O Mary, you have certainly come up with an odd thing!
19|28|O sister of Aaron[’s lineage]! Your father was not an evil man, nor was your mother unchaste.’
19|29|Thereat she pointed to him. They said, ‘How can we speak to one who is yet a baby in the cradle?’
19|30|He said, ‘Indeed I am a servant of God! He has given me the Book and made me a prophet.
19|31|He has made me blessed, wherever I may be, and He has enjoined me to [maintain] the prayer and to [pay] the zakat(acts of self-purification through giving and generosity) as long as I live,
19|32|and to be good to my mother, and He has not made me self-willed and wretched.
19|33|Peace to me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I am raised alive.’
19|34|That is Jesus, son of Mary, a Word of the Real concerning whom they are in doubt.
 
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