What Legacy Does Trump Leave?

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When I am dismissed because I'm "woke" or need to wake up and learn "The Truth" I immediately lose respect for the person throwing out those terms.

If a person has to resort to insults then they can't back up their position.

Throwing out insults only shuts down dissent. We need proper discussion more than ever these days.
I think this had become the Mystic thread?



So anything that is being written by Mystic and anyone's reaction to it is to Mystic? That seems to work :3



(and yes, we need more discussion.and less cancel culture of all sorts..)
How does cancel culture fit into this discussion? Or censorship?
You brought it up in your post back around 1444 or so?

And Mystic seems all over it as well
 
And Mystic, dear, if you actually want to communicate, remember how communication works? If you cause, intentionally or no, a barrier to communication then for any of your info to get across you now have to break the barrier to communication.

If you are just taking the piss, then fine. Let people know you are doing that.

Thinking differently aboot Trump is not automatically Woke...it is how Politics works? We have in groups and out groups.

Even if you show the good stuff Trump has done, someone here (like Redbaron), for whom he doesn't like Trump will weight any good thing to a lesser degree (and a bad thing to a greater degree) than say someone who is neutral aboot Trump or Positive aboot Trump?

Just normal human behaviour

Has existed far before Wokerati took the Capitol by whinge and complaint, forcing everyone to dye their hair and to make universal health care. Egads

Carry on, folx!

*breaks oot the popcorn and hands it oot. Butterfinger flav*
 
I think we might all start referring to Mystic as Berserk. His old name suited him much better. He is not mystical, AT ALL. He is a total disruption to any sort of pleasant discussion. He makes unsafe look easy to talk with. It's like, let's have a totally unpleasant discussion, with all sorts of rando insults, totally out of cultural context, and pretend we're 'talking'. Yuck, and yikes. And honestly? People have a problem with Luce? OK, I guess we prefer elderly juvenile nastiness over clever phonetic reading.
 
I think we might all start referring to Mystic as Berserk. His old name suited him much better. He is not mystical, AT ALL. He is a total disruption to any sort of pleasant discussion. He makes unsafe look easy to talk with. It's like, let's have a totally unpleasant discussion, with all sorts of rando insults, totally out of cultural context, and pretend we're 'talking'. Yuck, and yikes. And honestly? People have a problem with Luce? OK, I guess we prefer elderly juvenile nastiness over clever phonetic reading.
I like his non standard reality stuff :3

Quite mystical to me

Direct experience of God etc :3

And actual examples of marvelous things happening

The world is full of wonders

And wierd aboot some reaction to Luce...I am adding that as another checkmark in Mrs Anteater's Why Can't We Debate Fairly thread...too much excess energy in the system

Oh look, Canadians are protesting. WOW. Must be quite serious.
 
Really? Shades of really cheap Benny Hinn stuff, IMO.
I know you don't like him and he gets under your skin, so that totally affects everything you think aboot him (definitely not your in group :3 )

I have no reason to think he is lying in that regard

The world is awesome

You can communicate with your ancestors

Some of your thoughts are beings

Trudeau broke the law

All totally cool :3
 
Interesting article. I liked It sin't hip to be Christian by DC Talk.

When there was a big youth Christian event in Edmonton, sample music was sent to congregations aling with other promotional material. Congregations frequently talk about wanting youth in church. I played one of the heavy metal pieces in the announcement time in the service after I received the material. I explained that it was one kind of music youth want to hear in worship. Several youth from that congregation did attend the event. No one complained about not having many youth in church.

Trump's figurative defecation on the Bible is probably one of the factors driving away some evangelicals.
 
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I played one of the heavy metal pieces in the announcement time in the service after I received the material. I explained that it was one kind of music youth want to hear in worship.
Christianity and metal have a rather more complicated relationship than most realize, I think. Judas Priest's latest has some pretty clear Christian references and themes on it, even if I would not be ready to tag them as "Christian Metal". Swedish metal singer Anette Olzon seems to be going that way as well based on the first singles from her next album. And it pops up in some other metal artists, too. That's before we get to actual Christian metal. Yes, most streams of metal are generally critical of institutional Christianity and many are atheists or non-Christians, e.g. there's a lot of Norse and Celtic neo-paganism in the metal world, but some of the themes of Christianity (like grace and resurrection) definitely seem to resonate in parts of the metal community even if the faith and institutions are seen negatively. At least that's my perception after four years of headbanging.
 
Yeah, I'm not sure why the article itself would be offensive. It's pretty clearly a critique, not an endorsement, of Trump's "Christianity" (note quotes).
 
And it's Diana Butler-Bass, for Pete's sake. She does have the theological credentials to consider some beliefs (like conflating Trump and Jesus) to be heretical.
 
And it's Diana Butler-Bass, for Pete's sake. She does have the theological credentials to consider some beliefs (like conflating Trump and Jesus) to be heretical.
Given that she herself is likely considered heretical by more than a few, she is eminently qualified to judge heresy, I guess.
 
The only thing I found offensive about the article was the comparison of trump to Jesus. Trump is going through all this so we don't have to? That's scary stuff. On so many levels.
 
The only thing I found offensive about the article was the comparison of trump to Jesus. Trump is going through all this so we don't have to? That's scary stuff. On so many levels.
Right, but that's the article quoting the people it's critiquing so they are what's offensive, not the article. And I found that bit downright bizarre. I mean, could not a lot of other celebrity's fans say that about their celeb of choice? I think one of the things that draws us to a public figure is how they reflect on our drives and desires.
 
Diana did add some personal perspective in the comments following the article that I appreciated.


Diana Butler Bass


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1. There's no implication here. This piece is about what it is about. Implications are the perception of the reader.

2. I'm not medical psychologist. Are you? That said, Donald Trump is most likely a malignant narcissist. Joe Biden probably does have some sort of narcissistic tendency. Because you know why? NEARLY EVERY SINGLE PUBLIC PERSON IN THE UNITED STATES - including nearly every pastor and most every author - has some tendency toward narcissism. I'm willing to bet $10,000 that every occupant of the White House since the beginning of the Republic has some tendency toward narcissism. Psychological tendencies aren't the problem. What we do with them is the problem.
Also, there's a gigantic difference between being an "ist" versus an "ism." For example, I think social"ism" holds interesting trajectories for justice and building a more fair tax policy, but I'm not a social"ist."

3. I do support and will vote for Joe Biden. I don't worship him as a God. I don't think he's always right. I'm deeply worried and upset by the war in Gaza. I wish he was younger (honestly, I wish I was younger). I'm not, however, looking for a political savior. Presidents aren't saviors. They are servants of the Constitution, the rule of law, and the people.

I want a president who, in general, can be reasoned with, has the capacity to change when needs be, listens to experts in various fields, and appoints a Supreme Court that is committed to the rule of law. It helps if that person has a moral framework that shapes their choices in a larger community of humane traditions and seeks to love their neighbor -- and that the person struggles with her or his moral framework vis-a-vis complexities and moral impurities that are necessarily part of the office of President of the United States.

4. All we can say about Jesus is that he was a Jewish peasant in the Roman Empire. Nobody voted. It is silly to even try to guess who he'd vote for. If he was standing here, as he really was, he'd probably say, "What's voting?" And he'd say it in Aramaic, too.
 
Presidents aren't saviors. They are servants of the Constitution, the rule of law, and the people.
She put this well. I like this. And it applies to public office in general, or should in the modern era. Sadly, it is the public as much as the leaders who push the narrative of them as "saviors", expecting them to fix all their problems.
 
Sure, trump has done good things. His crimes and con jobs far outweigh the good. He's a flawed human being who needs to be held accountable for his actions.

It is possible to care about the humanity of a person while still holding them accountable.
Not for you it isn't: your hatred of Trump stains all your posts about him. Your claim to "care about the humanity" of Trump is therefore ludicrous.
Merely focusing on the good of someone like trump gives him more power. If there's any chance he can be redeemed it is through being held accountable.
Duh. I focus on the good of Trump only to balance your hatred. I have repeatedly called Trump a vindictive arrogant jerk! Distortions like yours are essential for feeding your cancel-culture mentality.

Redbaron: "I would suggest there's a difference between David and Mr. Trump, wouldn't you agree?"

A stupid question, given my repeated references to Trump as a vindictive arrogant jerk and my endorsement of David as "a man after God's own heart."
The difference between David and Trump? Well, actually one difference is that Trump never arranged for the murder of a sexual rival!
 
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