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blackbelt1961 said:
God is more interested in your eternal Life than He is with your mortal one

even though you dont believe in eternity
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This is where you get into really dangerous territory, because this is the only life you or I can demonstrate that we have.

To say that you have it on good authority that there is another life later, more important than this one, is a fantastic claim that is going to have a high standard of evidence, in order to make me change my life and believe and do things that appear, right now, to be nonsensical and pointless. Not only can you not meet a high standard of evidence to get me to change what I believe and how I live my life, you can't supply me with enough evidence to get me to change my laundry detergent.
 
chansen said:
This is where you get into really dangerous territory, because this is the only life you or I can demonstrate that we have.
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can you demonstrate by the scientific method or any other method that the dead of the world , that the Life that once animated there bodies & gave them a conscious mind has either going into another reality or not?

No you cant

To say that you have it on good authority that there is another life later, more important than this one, is a fantastic claim that is going to have a high standard of evidence, in order to make me change my life and believe and do things that appear, right now, to be nonsensical and pointless. Not only can you not meet a high standard of evidence to get me to change what I believe and how I live my life, you can't supply me with enough evidence to get me to change my laundry detergent.
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firstly , God Has given you the freedom to live your life , its called grace

secondly , unless you have a personal revelation your spirit will remain in its box

thirdly, regardless of an atheist position or even a believer for a matter of fact, regardless of what we believe, Truth stands
 
What?!?

The only thing I can respond to, is that if I've learned anything from Pawn Stars, it's that spirits are worth more unopened, in their original boxes. Of course, they'd be worth even more a couple of years ago, when the economy was better.
 
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blackbelt1961 said:
Hi Neo. this is my reply to Hermann



for me i have a problem with this, yes there are relative truths as Neo pointed out but if everything were relative, then it would be absolutely true that everything is relative, and that would be self-refuting. So saying that everything is relative can’t be true but that which is absolute is always true, for the past , present and future for all of humanity.
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Who said that "everything" was relative? You're still confusing the fact that the "relative" truth is from "our point of view only", and that for the most part is a huge lie. But to us, from our individual points of view, the relative truth is sometimes all we have.

There was a time in recent history when people believed, up and down, that the Sun went around the Earth. "Isn't it obvious man", they would say, "we see the Sun rise in the East with our own eyes, there can be no other explanation..".

Today's fact that the Earth is in orbit around our Sun is much closer to an "Absolute Truth" and gives a perfect living example of how physical illusion can alter our perception.

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It seems to me, from my pov, that believing in such a thing as an Absolute Truth is a lot different than living the Absolute Truth. There is a huge spectrum of view points of the Absolute, where some people are simply more aware of the subtle energies than others. And this phenomena is increasing as a whole, due to the fact that the human race is continuously rising, and "maturing" in awareness.

Eventually it'll be like heaven on earth, where the majority of people are living spiritual lives. Imagine how fast we could learn if the Teachers of Life were telepathic to our needs?
 
Waterfall said:
What do we need jails for then? Everybody is right. Seems to me that truths require some rules.
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Yes, absolutely! (no pun intended) The Universe always runs on laws and the laws pertaining to the Absolute Truth are no different. The Law of Cause and Effect (aka karma) is one of the main laws that affects humanity directly . It's the means by which we learn and think and grow.

Edit add: no comment on the jails, except to say we're far from perfect.
 
blackbelt1961 said:
great observation chasen
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I have to read your posts three times to get close to what your meaning probably was. That is not my problem - it's yours. Much of that last post was nonsensical. I'm still unsure about the first part and much of the second part. Having been through the hell of trying to understand AC33 earlier today, now you're posting crap for me to sort through as well. It's rather frustrating. By now I should just realize that if you can't communicate an idea, I don't have to debunk it.
 
chansen said:
I have to read your posts three times to get close to what your meaning probably was. That is not my problem - it's yours. Much of that last post was nonsensical. I'm still unsure about the first part and much of the second part. Having been through the hell of trying to understand AC33 earlier today, now you're posting crap for me to sort through as well. It's rather frustrating. By now I should just realize that if you can't communicate an idea, I don't have to debunk it.
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i was saying i can no more change your mind unless God gives you insite because your spirit aka is in your box meaning your body is your box , your spirit is closed in , another way of saying it is , spiritually dead or alive to God ,
 
blackbelt1961 said:
i was saying i can no more [not] change your mind unless God gives you insite [insight] because your spirit aka is in your box meaning your body is your box , your spirit is closed in , another way of saying it is , spiritually dead or alive to God ,
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Are my edits fair? I think that's closer to what you're going for.

If it is, then your beef is with God, not me. God apparently hasn't given me insight. Instead, he sent you.
 
chansen said:
Just like God never allowed harm to come to others?
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howard cosell, here
remember here, and i know this is the frustrating bit because you like people to stick to definite word usages, waterfall is using a different usage for g_d than blackbelt is...she shares some of revjohn's ability to 'see things from another's shoes'...i think waterfall is using 'g_d' in that sentence as a kind of place name for the reality that humans exist in...so, in that sentence's case, 'g_d' takes place of reality or universe? she is saying that in 'g_ds world', our brains enable us to to follow the spirit of the law (know when to apply laws and when and how to let them slide)...

just my reading

you want to really have your mind blown, try watching a game of bridge...i'll never do that untrained again...the horror, the horror...
 
chansen said:
Just like God never allowed harm to come to others?
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My understanding of God is a caring presence, not a Man in the Sky that is constantly meddling in earthly affairs. causing something good to happen here and something bad over there, allowing some things, denying others.
 
chansen said:
Just like God never allowed harm to come to others?
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I think you're asking a very good question. Many Christians, including myself, have wondered at least once why God doesn't intervene in some situations. We certainly pray for it often enough, whether it's for the world or for our families. I think we all understand why everyone cant live on this earth forever, but it's harder to understand why we cant all live to a ripe old age before we die. Harder still is to ask why some have to die young from disease or in wars or in famines and why this God we worship just doesn't make everything perfect from the beginning and remove our will as a factor for any outcome in exchange for paradise. Would life still remain so precious to us if we didn't have to face adversities? Whether we are given 10 years or 80, would we appreciate what we we were given if we lived in a perfect world? I wonder that sometimes too.
 
Waterfall said:
I think you're asking a very good question. Many Christians, including myself, have wondered at least once why God doesn't intervene in some situations. We certainly pray for it often enough, whether it's for the world or for our families. I think we all understand why everyone cant live on this earth forever, but it's harder to understand why we cant all live to a ripe old age before we die. Harder still is to ask why some have to die young from disease or in wars or in famines and why this God we worship just doesn't make everything perfect from the beginning and remove our will as a factor for any outcome in exchange for paradise. Would life still remain so precious to us if we didn't have to face adversities? Whether we are given 10 years or 80, would we appreciate what we we were given if we lived in a perfect world? I wonder that sometimes too.
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For the same reason your teachers didn't give you the answer sheet before all your exams. We're not here to all live perfect, happy and healthy lives with no pain or suffering, at least not yet anyways. We're here to first learn that there is such a thing as duality in our lives and then to learn to meld that duality into one. Eventually, when we learn to live "with" nature and not against it, we will live in a paradisical world.
 
Waterfall said:
I think you're asking a very good question. Many Christians, including myself, have wondered at least once why God doesn't intervene in some situations. We certainly pray for it often enough, whether it's for the world or for our families. I think we all understand why everyone cant live on this earth forever, but it's harder to understand why we cant all live to a ripe old age before we die. Harder still is to ask why some have to die young from disease or in wars or in famines and why this God we worship just doesn't make everything perfect from the beginning and remove our will as a factor for any outcome in exchange for paradise. Would life still remain so precious to us if we didn't have to face adversities? Whether we are given 10 years or 80, would we appreciate what we we were given if we lived in a perfect world? I wonder that sometimes too.
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That's not you wondering. That's you listing a series of excuses.
 
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