What is Faith? It is not trust.

[Jaebius]

Most commonly think of faith as saving faith, which I consider to be a gift from God. However, I know that not all faith's that. Near the end of one of my English classes today, my class and I discussed the differences between wants, hopes, and dreams, none of which seem to be exactly the same as faith either. So, I'm still pondering the issue

Okay, having thought about this topic, I feel I'm ready to give an answer. I feel that faith is a trust that we have in someone or something to be doing something or to do something in the future.

I most often use the word when speaking of Jesus because I believe that he exists, and I trust that he's saved me, is saving me, and will continue to save me.

I guess I could also say I have faith in Yobo. I have faith in my agency and my church

 

[Jaebius]

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[BetteTheRed]

I have no beliefs in anything supernatural.

I have no beliefs in heaven or hell; at best, I believe we return as a drop of water to the ocean.

I don't believe anything in particular about god/Jesus/Christianity. I hang around a church a lot because the people make me behave better, largely.

I have had two interactions with what might have been the spirits of my father and my Hippie, that gave me a trust that everything works out okay after this life. That is my 'faith'.

 

[Luce NDs]

Thoughts are rather subtle to those with supernatural visions and thus things can be easily over looked ... generates profuse mist and mystery considering that which wasn't looked into with depth ... like a simple words as ... inexistant!

I means nothing to a vast collective ... thus that primal hole in materialism ... 1st command? How to get through this matter ...

 

[chansen]

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Is God adding a rung or taking it away?

Why are the rungs spaced so far apart? If we assume the man's height is 1.6m, the rungs appear to be about 75cm apart. Code is 36cm, max. For safety, the rungs need to be doubled up at least. Plus, the ladder is not tied off to anything. This is just a workplace accident waiting to happen.

 

[Luce NDs]

Is God adding a rung or taking it away?

Why are the rungs spaced so far apart? If we assume the man's height is 1.6m, the rungs appear to be about 75cm apart. Code is 36cm, max. For safety, the rungs need to be doubled up at least. Plus, the ladder is not tied off to anything. This is just a workplace accident waiting to happen.

Dead ringers???? Witches past tense rung or ringed ... for when Chi calls!

 

[unsafe]

Faith is having confidence in a thing ----so we trust it -----

We have steadfast Faith and Trust in this Chair we see in front of us as reliable --we can sit with ease ---



But what happens to our Faith and Trust when given a Chair to sit in that is not so sturdy --Our Faith wavers and our Trust dwindles as what we see in front of us is not reliable to sit in ----




So our faith and trust can be steadfast or can waver -----this is true for both intellectual Faith and Spiritual Faith ----

 

[chansen]

Dead ringers????

Nice.

 

[chansen]

Faith is having confidence in a thing ----so we trust it -----

We have steadfast Faith and Trust in this Chair we see in front of us as reliable --we can sit with ease ---

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But what happens to our Faith and Trust when given a Chair to sit in that is not so sturdy --Our Faith wavers and our Trust dwindles as what we see in front of us is not reliable to sit in ----

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So our faith and trust can be steadfast or can waver -----this is true for both intellectual Faith and Spiritual Faith ----

Want to have fun? Do one of those trust exercises where one person falls backwards into the other person's arms. Be that other person. Be easily distracted. Hilarity ensues.

 

[chansen]

But what happens to our Faith and Trust when given a Chair to sit in that is not so sturdy --Our Faith wavers and our Trust dwindles as what we see in front of us is not reliable to sit in ----

I think the metaphor that is most apt here is, you insist you're giving me a chair to sit on (faith). I see no chair. You insist the chair is not only there, but also the most robust chair in the history of all home furnishings. I refuse to attempt to sit in your "chair". For that, I lack faith and are therefore due some form of punishment for not believing in your chair.

If I question a chair, I can inspect it. I can apply force to the chair up to almost my entire body weight without committing to sitting on it and potentially falling. I can apply an impulse load of almost twice my body weight to demonstrate a factor of safety. In short, with any chair I can inspect, I can determine if I can trust it.

You hand out invisible chairs and say we can trust them. I don't buy it. More people shouldn't.

 

[Jaebius]

I think the metaphor that is most apt here is, you insist you're giving me a chair to sit on (faith). I see no chair. You insist the chair is not only there, but also the most robust chair in the history of all home furnishings. I refuse to attempt to sit in your "chair". For that, I lack faith and are therefore due some form of punishment for not believing in your chair.

If I question a chair, I can inspect it. I can apply force to the chair up to almost my entire body weight without committing to sitting on it and potentially falling. I can apply an impulse load of almost twice my body weight to demonstrate a factor of safety. In short, with any chair I can inspect, I can determine if I can trust it.

You hand out invisible chairs and say we can trust them. I don't buy it. More people shouldn't.

If your problem with the chair is that you can't see it, how will you ever put your trust in other things that you can't see, like wind, gravity, peace, and love?

 

[chansen]

If your problem with the chair is that you can't see it, how will you ever put your trust in other things that you can't see, like wind, gravity, peace, and love?

Why do these examples keep coming up? Wind and gravity can be experienced, quantified and generally f***ed around with. Peace is a state free of violence, and when religion wakes up, it often chooses violence. Love is an emotion that we experience, until our ex cheats on us and we swear off love forever.

Those are terrible examples. Find new ones.

 

[Waterfall]

Hope is praying for rain; faith is bringing an umbrella.

 

[Jaebius]

Why do these examples keep coming up? Wind and gravity can be experienced, quantified and generally f***ed around with. Peace is a state free of violence, and when religion wakes up, it often chooses violence. Love is an emotion that we experience, until our ex cheats on us and we swear off love forever.

Those are terrible examples. Find new ones.

They're not examples, chansen, but metaphors. And no metaphor is perfect. Still, they show that you are willing to believe in the existence of some things that are invisible.

I do disagree with your definition of love. I don't agree that love's an emotion. Rather, I'd say love's an active decision. The Bible says that no one has greater love than one who will lay down their life for others. That's not something that's only emotion. I think a lot of problems in personal relationships are caused by the notion that love's just a feeling

 

[Jaebius]

What does faith mean? Fox and Friends gives their answer.

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[Pavlos Maros]

They're not examples, chansen, but metaphors. And no metaphor is perfect. Still, they show that you are willing to believe in the existence of some things that are invisible.

Sorry Jae you are in error again.
All these things are invisible to the naked eye, yet all are testable.
1. Air
2. Magnetic Fields
3. Gravitational Forces
4. Microscopic Life
5. Ultraviolet
6. Electromagnetic Waves
7. Electric Fields
8. Sound Waves
9. Neutrinos
10, Wind

And all these things are invisible, yet all are testable.

11, Peace
12, Love
13, Happiness
14, Justice
15, Freedom
16, Courage
17, Forgiveness
18, Hope
19, Trust
20, Faith

The first set of examples show how even though these things are invisible, science provides tools and methods to test, measure, and study them effectively.
And the second set show why love and peace etc though they are not testable in the same empirical way as physical phenomena, their effects, manifestations, and correlates in psychology, neuroscience, sociology, and other fields make them observable and analyzable. This indirect testing helps provide insights into these deeply human experiences.

Both sets share the quality of being intangible yet deeply impactful. Through indirect testing and the observation of their effects, they can be studied scientifically or socially, offering insights into their very nature and influence.

And please note Jae that even trust faith and hope are included in this example.

This illustration shows that while the methods of "testing" or "observing" might differ I.E. direct scientific measurement for physical phenomena vs. indirect inference for human experiences, both have significant effects that are observable and analyzable.

So I suggest Jae you think before you speak in future. You may avoid making such mistakes.

 

[Pavlos Maros]

Okay, having thought about this topic, I feel I'm ready to give an answer. I feel that faith is a trust that we have in someone or something to be doing something or to do something in the future.

I most often use the word when speaking of Jesus because I believe that he exists, and I trust that he's saved me, is saving me, and will continue to save me.

I guess I could also say I have faith in Yobo. I have faith in my agency and my church

I don't think you actually read the OP, Jae. The clue was in the thread title.
Go back and read it, then you will understand that trust and faith are not the same. Do try to do better please.

 

[Luce NDs]

Faith is having confidence in a thing ----so we trust it -----

We have steadfast Faith and Trust in this Chair we see in front of us as reliable --we can sit with ease ---

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But what happens to our Faith and Trust when given a Chair to sit in that is not so sturdy --Our Faith wavers and our Trust dwindles as what we see in front of us is not reliable to sit in ----

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So our faith and trust can be steadfast or can waver -----this is true for both intellectual Faith and Spiritual Faith ----

Be prepared when the stoned and stoic pull the subtle support system out from under yah for personal advantage!

 

[Luce NDs]

I think the metaphor that is most apt here is, you insist you're giving me a chair to sit on (faith). I see no chair. You insist the chair is not only there, but also the most robust chair in the history of all home furnishings. I refuse to attempt to sit in your "chair". For that, I lack faith and are therefore due some form of punishment for not believing in your chair.

If I question a chair, I can inspect it. I can apply force to the chair up to almost my entire body weight without committing to sitting on it and potentially falling. I can apply an impulse load of almost twice my body weight to demonstrate a factor of safety. In short, with any chair I can inspect, I can determine if I can trust it.

You hand out invisible chairs and say we can trust them. I don't buy it. More people shouldn't.

One has to ask about the CEO and their dependability! Aaron James wrote of text on this called A* Theory ... the thing at the end of a colon .. when lined up in columns they may support something but you better know their powers ...

Hollow tubes can be critical in draining septic zones ... and ducting in fresh air ...

 

[Luce NDs]

Hope is praying for rain; faith is bringing an umbrella.

Rain is like catharsis, what was once a bath ... and other times quite dippy ... thus essences take dips in life and call them baptisms ... and then there was the time soon before Saturday night when ... it was called for ... as a queue for anon (soon, or sewn into the plan). All depends on the phonetics ...