What is Faith? It is not trust.

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Pavlos Maros

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Faith, at its core, involves using what we think we know, to bridge the gap to what we do not know or cannot be certain about. It is a mechanism by which belief and hope intersect with uncertainty.

For example, when a reasonable person has faith in their ability to pass a driving test, they are relying on their past knowledge and present abilities as evidence of their capability. However, because the future is inherently uncertain, their faith also requires belief and hope, belief in their preparedness and hope that circumstances align in their favour.
This is faith, the conviction in something for which there can be no absolute proof.

Contrast this with the statement, “I have trust that the sun will rise tomorrow.” This is not faith at all, because it does not require belief or hope; the system is, by all accounts, predictable. The sun rising is supported by overwhelming evidence and scientific consistency. There is no significant uncertainty, so no belief is needed.

Faith, deals with the unknown, but it is not informed by what we do know or can trust. It is not purely a choice. To choose faith without any connection to knowledge or reasonable certainty could be called blind faith. Blind faith, while not inherently bad, is disconnected from evidence and understanding. It becomes more reliable when supplemented by knowledge and awareness, which is why disciplines like science, philosophy, and art are so valuable. These fields expand our understanding of the world, our place in it, and how we express and navigate our beliefs.

Faith devoid of personal knowledge, or worse, rooted in suppressed or indoctrinated knowledge, is dangerous. It leaves individuals vulnerable, disconnected from their own perceptions and reasoning, and overly reliant on external influences. In such cases, faith becomes unstable, as it is too easily swayed by fleeting circumstances.

Trust is an indispensable part of human cognition because it is grounded in evidence, reason, and experience. It is most beneficial when tempered by rationality and knowledge, allowing us to navigate reality effectively and grow in understanding.

Faith, on the other hand, deals with uncertainty and the unknown. While it can provide hope and motivation, it carries the risk of leading to self-deception or harm if not informed by evidence or reason. Blind faith, in particular, can disconnect individuals from reality and leave them vulnerable to manipulation or error. Therefore, while faith can have its uses, trust is the more reliable foundation for guiding us toward growth, understanding, and meaningful action.

What do you think faith is?
What use does it have?
 
Faith leaves our minds open for new truths to emerge, not in objects or things we can see, but for spiritual truths. Our dreams and hopes exist, and our destiny is formed from them.
 
Faith leaves our minds open for new truths to emerge, not in objects or things we can see, but for spiritual truths. Our dreams and hopes exist, and our destiny is formed from them.
Your response offers a common take on faith, but unfortunately, it's superficial and disconnected from the approach of my OP. Referring to 'spiritual truths' as central to faith is problematic because such 'truths' are nothing more than subjective imaginings. Since they are unfalsifiable, they cannot be tested or proven and therefore hold no value in a serious discussion. An unfalsifiable claim is, by definition, a moot point. Are you sure this is the position you want to defend? You have effectively closed your mind to recourse!
 
Most commonly think of faith as saving faith, which I consider to be a gift from God. However, I know that not all faith's that. Near the end of one of my English classes today, my class and I discussed the differences between wants, hopes, and dreams, none of which seem to be exactly the same as faith either. So, I'm still pondering the issue
 
Your response offers a common take on faith, but unfortunately, it's superficial and disconnected from the approach of my OP. Referring to 'spiritual truths' as central to faith is problematic because such 'truths' are nothing more than subjective imaginings. Since they are unfalsifiable, they cannot be tested or proven and therefore hold no value in a serious discussion. An unfalsifiable claim is, by definition, a moot point. Are you sure this is the position you want to defend? You have effectively closed your mind to recourse!
Carry on then.
 
Faith is the surety that something will go on and thus we grab our behind as we go ... as if there is nothing left of it but the 'ole thing ... a bit wholly and there the phobia arises as we hate being all alone ... thus amour-A? The thing reproduces in repose ... a null point?

It is still nothing to argue with as an abstract given that part of it is missing ... and "O" the debates over it ... dead ringers as the poet society reverberates out there in the night sky ... rattling branes ...

There are disturbing things that occur when lying under midnight sonny (sonn-ET). Thus the silent whisper eat me --- Alice while wandering there making up surroundings (Kohl & dark)! Such Ræ Pose ... often disposed my mortals that fail visions of out-there ... thus the period of flat-lining, until they get it straight about the go-round and CON science forms ... sooner or later ... with some not at all and thus the nothing scheme as a conspiracy for a grinder ... that's something else for a stormy night ... in adequate seasons under the Tres ... this very things ... Panned?

There are those that mull it over as a mule, when there are other words Dan ... emmer's 'll whet ...

Make it up as you travel this route some mysterious force will require a report, log, or notations on a stick ... Moses did it ... ad continuum (HU was Mosishybling?)

Insert whine ... sapi ND! One is said to retain it as ineffable ... trump word as semitic phoque 'd ... appears in alien symbols ...
 
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It can be, to the few. However the many take it too far.

You mean like when they have faith in things that they should've observed Divers Leis? That's like cleavage in pious terms ... splits? Jesus said it was needed for the failure of sacred marriage ... resembles di force ... opposed vectors! Thresholds can close up ...

Have a gentile woodsman ...
 
Faith, at its core, involves using what we think

What you speak of here is intellectual faith ----

All 3 Faiths are a Graced gift from God ---no person can conjure up Faith ---and Faith does include Trust -you are born with intellectual or Human Faith ---this faith relies on your 5 Senses and so is a non producing Faith -----you believe and trust cause this faith is tangible===
--------------You believe in and trust in your parents to look after you till your of age to be on your own ---you believe and trust in your Dr to help you get better from a sickness ---you believe and trust that the pill you take will make you well -----this is intellectual faith God gives you this Faith at birth ------even though you don't see the wind ---you believe it exists because you feel it ----you don't see radio waves but you believe they exist cause you can hear the radio when you turn it on ----etc

Strong's Concordance
Faith (4102/pistis) is always a gift from God, and never something that can be produced by people.

faith and belief are not exactly the same. Faith always comes from God and involves His revelation therefore faith is beyond belief!


2--There is Demonic Faith -----The demons believed and Trusted that Jesus was God and trembled with fear when Jesus came near to cast them out in Scripture but this again is a non producing faith as demons can't be saved ------

James 2:19

You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!

Mark 3:11

And whenever the unclean spirits saw him, they fell down before him and cried out, “You are the Son of God.”

3 ---Then there is --------God's Faith or Dynamic Faith -(Saving Faith )---Now this Faith has to be grounded and rooted in Christ to have trust -----Many Christians Believe in God but don't Trust God to do as He says he will do in His word -----so this faith needs roots to trust ----

This Faith Produces ---- and Receives ---This Faith Saves

This Faith is powerful and can move Mountains out of your way ----David represents God's Faith removing the Mountain (Goliath) with one small stone from a sling -----Jesus killed a fig tree from the roots up by Speaking out His Faith -----when you have confidence in something you will not hesitate to speak it out ---that is a Faith that believes in what you don't see and needs no proof to sustain it -----

Strong's Concordance
The Lord continuously births faith in the yielded believer so they can know what He prefers

Faith (pistis) referred to a guarantee (warranty). In Scripture, faith is God's warranty, certifying that the revelation He inbirthed will come to pass (His way).

"Faith precedes works, and is not something merely deduced by
reason of existing"

Now Blind Faith -----blows smoke and clouds and distorts proper perspective and understanding and knowledge ---- it leads to bad choices ---irrational beliefs ---etc

Doubting Thomas ---comes to mind -----
John 20:29 (NIV) Then Jesus told him (Thomas), Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.

Intellectual Faith here Blinded to Spiritual Faith ------

Joni Eareckson ---an very experienced diver and swimmer ----made a very bad choice to dive in shallow water -----blind Faith ----
She had a fracture between the fourth and fifth cervical vertebrae and became a quadriplegic (or tetraplegic), paralyzed from the shoulders down.

and then Blamed and was angry at God for her being paralysed ----Blind Faith at it's best here in my view ---

Anyone preaching today without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit preaches with Blind Faith ---

Blind Faith is built on what is comfortable and what intellectually makes sense -----
 
Unsafe, I can totally believe that you avoid that which makes no intellectual sense.
 
Unsafe, I can totally believe that you avoid that which makes no intellectual sense.

Got to love it ... then a pastor I grew up (under the influence of) would say that love too was evil ... because of some mysterious dark reason ...

So there we are facing 2 dark clouds and unclear as how to shine thro' ... thus a lot of uncertain doubters according to Schroeder's Wave Rule ... we wobble but perhaps don't fall down ... as some totally bow to frightening occasions ... even tho' the word tell eM not to ...

Then one asks what is a void of no intellectual sense ... the immaterial that we fall for ... abstract stuff with something a' miss ... n-1? The resolution is stranger than you can believe ... just out-of-here and beyond us ...

Somme powers do believe the qualm lye have it all ... but are perhaps MS Taken ... there goes another 1 ... adding to the negatives ...

Somme utch is unexpected ... d' utch is a word with gnostic parts ... sacred and often doubled up ... tuckered from working the low lands ...
 
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Unsafe! Quote mining, makes you come over as a complete imbecile. You lost all credibility, just in that one instant. Wow!
Not that you had much to start with.
 
Unsafe! Quote mining, makes you come over as a complete imbecile. You lost all credibility, just in that one instant. Wow!
Not that you had much to start with.
:angel:Same old response --------So lame ----your responses are never supported ----they are just your lame --same responses ------your whole OP shows just how lost your credibility is about your limited knowledge of what Faith is and isn't ----- :ROFLMAO:

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In both Hebrew (amunah) and Greek (pistis) the word translated in Scrpture as "faith" means "faith in the sense of trust" and "faithfulness."
 
In both Hebrew (amunah) and Greek (pistis) the word translated in Scrpture as "faith" means "faith in the sense of trust" and "faithfulness."

I'm a great fan of the concept illustrated by Barth in that we have faith that we know very little ... so that each day we learn something new. This doesn't work well with those that get to a point that they know everything. It supports that one day at a time mode rather than I am a mural (a kind of hard wall).

The weird examples are fantastic ... the edifices would accept them ... very tightly laced up ... Ci X in the biblical sense? There is this rye beauty to literary form that moves ...

Some uncertainty is prerequisite ...
 
Despite my quibble about the biblical meaning of the words translated "faith," Pavlos nicely expresses the popular understanding of the English word "faith."
 
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