What Does It Mean To Fall From Grace ?
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Neo
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Would Christ then be a metaphor of sub conned science? That'd be like an inner vision ... and many self inflated messiah syndromes are too much smoke and mire for that ... and thus should be Pisces upon ... for lack of fresh water ... that authorities usually try and rule over as the flaw of human avarice ... the need to control another conscience ... which can have wicked backlash given the temper god applies to man as an angry spin off ... of God's angry phase in de Moon time!
Are there implications of polygamy when one man can't get enough of mortal sroo whops ... and is there a sense of equanimity in the part of the species without Klein ... that's like a thorn, or prick to the hand reaching for the apple of God' sigh ...
Is it possible the rule for mortals living in a controlled atmosphere is over done (avarice) given that we corrupted the Ares and Eire here?
Breath deep and see if you can smell the PEW containing satirist .. a satyr worshiper of things hidden in God (as the word)! Tis Gospel ... just red into the pagan John who lived outside civilized areas ... arias? Tis beyond the chord I all attachment ... in de lyre IHCs people ...
Breath deep and see if you can smell the PEW containing satirist .. a satyr worshiper of things hidden in God (as the word)! Tis Gospel ... just red into the pagan John who lived outside civilized areas ... arias? Tis beyond the chord I all attachment ... in de lyre IHCs people ...
Mendalla
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Well Hastur isn't a god but a hyperpowerful alien (think a nihilist version of Star Trek's Q) in a universe where there is no benign creator and therefore no Satan.
Beetlejuice basically plays a Satan role in the movie but became more of a sleazy, smartaleck hero in the TV show. Neither ever suggested anything about an actual God or Devil in the BJ universe so it may also also be atheist. Certainly the afterlife portrayed is rather different from any conventional Christian notion of one and more like the Greek Hades or some similar pagan "Land of the Dead".
So the answer is yes. Maybe. If the question is even relevant given the different paradigms involved.
unsafe
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Neo your quote from post 176 page 9 ----I didn't say God is unjust,I asked the question "where was the justice
No ---Neo this is your quote from Page 4 post 75-----you didn't ask the question ---you said ----I don't see any Justice or Love ----
But I still don't see any justice or love in letting so many of "His children" be born into such a sad state when "we" are born with so much opportunity.
So you don't see any Love or Justice in God showing Mercy to small children when He really doesn't have to -----Nice ----you would rather see God impute sin on Children even when they have no idea as to what right and wrong --good and evil is and can't break any laws to commit sin -----cause you don't see any Justice or Love in God ----Wow Neo ----Children should have no Mercy shown in your view -----is that really what you think ?----
As far as poverty Goes and Children being born into it -----People are to blame ---we like our stuff and go far into debt to get it and maintain it ----we Humans can't restrain ourselves when it comes to money and spending and the system is set up to help the rich not the poor ----- that has nothing to do with God ---
Our Choice Neo ----the thief ---worldly credit cards ---interest from such ---bank loans interest from such ----we humans want what we want --when we want it --how we want it ----sickness and disease robs our money -----
God wants this for His Children Neo -----
John 10:10 ----Jesus is speaking here ----
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The thief comes only in order to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have and enjoy life, and have it in abundance [to the full, till it overflows].
No ---Neo this is your quote from Page 4 post 75-----you didn't ask the question ---you said ----I don't see any Justice or Love ----
But I still don't see any justice or love in letting so many of "His children" be born into such a sad state when "we" are born with so much opportunity.
So you don't see any Love or Justice in God showing Mercy to small children when He really doesn't have to -----Nice ----you would rather see God impute sin on Children even when they have no idea as to what right and wrong --good and evil is and can't break any laws to commit sin -----cause you don't see any Justice or Love in God ----Wow Neo ----Children should have no Mercy shown in your view -----is that really what you think ?----
As far as poverty Goes and Children being born into it -----People are to blame ---we like our stuff and go far into debt to get it and maintain it ----we Humans can't restrain ourselves when it comes to money and spending and the system is set up to help the rich not the poor ----- that has nothing to do with God ---
Our Choice Neo ----the thief ---worldly credit cards ---interest from such ---bank loans interest from such ----we humans want what we want --when we want it --how we want it ----sickness and disease robs our money -----
God wants this for His Children Neo -----
John 10:10 ----Jesus is speaking here ----
AMP
The thief comes only in order to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have and enjoy life, and have it in abundance [to the full, till it overflows].
Neo
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Without the concept of Karma, i.e. "as you sow, so shall you reap", I don't see any love or justice in letting people be born into a world with little or no hope. Without the doctrine of reincarnation I don't see these people having hope as we in west have, growing up and living in an affluent society. The chances of them "finding Jesus" in one life only seems near impossible.
Yes, "people are to blame" for the poverty in the world, and it will be people who fix it. But in the meantime, those born in poverty have little hope because of the world they are born into. And it does have something to do with God, if your religious views are correct, in that these views insist that if one doesn't "find Jesus" in this one lifetime then they are doomed to an eternity of hell or torment.
When I say "where is the justice in this", I mean where is the justice the way "you" view it? I believe the justice is there because of "karma", whether this be personal karma or whether it be racial karma. Mine is surely not to judge why one is born with affliction or in poverty. But karma has a way of turning the tables and cleaning the slate. Christianity refuses to accept the word "karma" because it's not mentioned directly in the Bible, but it's surely referenced and recognized. Christianity refuses to accept the concept of reincarnation because it's not directly taught in the Bible, but again it's still referenced and alluded to. Without these two concepts there is no justice in the world.
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airclean33
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--Now here I am sure your right Luce. Now you take were I grew up. My House was just a humble hut .It's door was never shut. it was air conditioned in the winter time". Wasn't fancy built at all" , there was news paper on the wall. But a man could get inside with out a dime".
unsafe
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Neo ---your quote -----Yes, "people are to blame" for the poverty in the world, and it will be people who fix it.
No wrong again Neo ---God will fix it not people ---People are to money hungry and that will not change until The New Earth ---and notice it says ----God will make his home with them ----God himself will be with them and be their God -----He will wipe every tear from their eyes. ----There won’t be any more death. ----There won’t be any grief, crying, or pain, -----
These are all Promises Neo ------God Will make ---God Will be ----He Will wipe ----There Won't be -----There Won't be ------ no more poverty ---no more deaths ---no more suffering ---no more wars -----etc --etc ---ctc ----
Revelation 21GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
A New Heaven and a New Earth
21 I saw a new heaven and a new earth, because the first heaven and earth had disappeared, and the sea was gone.2 Then I saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, dressed like a bride ready for her husband.3 I heard a loud voice from the throne say, “God lives with humans! God will make his home with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them and be their God.4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There won’t be any more death. There won’t be any grief, crying, or pain, because the first things have disappeared.”
You like to use scripture Neo but you don't believe it ------and a big mistake you make is that you think that you can achieve the Spiritual side of the scripture you quote all by yourself ---your a self made god Neo ----you need no one to obtain spiritual maturity except yourself ----through Karma and sowing and reaping through worldly meditation ------
Read this carefully -----this is what God wants for His Children -----John 10:10 ----Jesus is speaking here ----
AMP
The thief comes only in order to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have and enjoy life, and have it in abundance [to the full, till it overflows].
So here we see that your Karma you talk about is not for this life ----while The scripture above is for God's Children in the here and now -----God's Blessings are all available in our life that we live on this earth -----
Read all here --- https://carm.org/karma-and-sin
Karma
The Sanskrit word “karma” basically means “to do or act.” In most basic terms, the law of karma states that one reaps what one sows. law of karma implies that every thought or deed, whether they are good or bad, will count in determining how an individual will be born in their next life on earth. So an individual with bad karma could be born many different times into lower castes of humans or even into lower forms of animals. In Hinduism, the person cannot be released until they are reborn into the Brahmin or priestly caste. So this is how karma and reincarnation are intertwined. So in reality individuals are in control of their salvation, which is their release from the cycle of birth and rebirth.1
Biblical Response
Some might say that karma is part of Christianity because of Galatians 6:7: “Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap.” Even though the scriptures teach us that we will reap what we will sow, karma and Christianity are not compatible. We must remember that Galatians 6:7is talking about this life time, not the afterlife. Karma and the biblical idea of reaping what you sow are not the same. The Bible teaches that we will die once and then be judged. Hebrews 9:27says “And inasmuch as it is appointed for me to die once and after this comes judgment.”
No wrong again Neo ---God will fix it not people ---People are to money hungry and that will not change until The New Earth ---and notice it says ----God will make his home with them ----God himself will be with them and be their God -----He will wipe every tear from their eyes. ----There won’t be any more death. ----There won’t be any grief, crying, or pain, -----
These are all Promises Neo ------God Will make ---God Will be ----He Will wipe ----There Won't be -----There Won't be ------ no more poverty ---no more deaths ---no more suffering ---no more wars -----etc --etc ---ctc ----
Revelation 21GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
A New Heaven and a New Earth
21 I saw a new heaven and a new earth, because the first heaven and earth had disappeared, and the sea was gone.2 Then I saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, dressed like a bride ready for her husband.3 I heard a loud voice from the throne say, “God lives with humans! God will make his home with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them and be their God.4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There won’t be any more death. There won’t be any grief, crying, or pain, because the first things have disappeared.”
You like to use scripture Neo but you don't believe it ------and a big mistake you make is that you think that you can achieve the Spiritual side of the scripture you quote all by yourself ---your a self made god Neo ----you need no one to obtain spiritual maturity except yourself ----through Karma and sowing and reaping through worldly meditation ------
Read this carefully -----this is what God wants for His Children -----John 10:10 ----Jesus is speaking here ----
AMP
The thief comes only in order to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have and enjoy life, and have it in abundance [to the full, till it overflows].
So here we see that your Karma you talk about is not for this life ----while The scripture above is for God's Children in the here and now -----God's Blessings are all available in our life that we live on this earth -----
Read all here --- https://carm.org/karma-and-sin
Karma
The Sanskrit word “karma” basically means “to do or act.” In most basic terms, the law of karma states that one reaps what one sows. law of karma implies that every thought or deed, whether they are good or bad, will count in determining how an individual will be born in their next life on earth. So an individual with bad karma could be born many different times into lower castes of humans or even into lower forms of animals. In Hinduism, the person cannot be released until they are reborn into the Brahmin or priestly caste. So this is how karma and reincarnation are intertwined. So in reality individuals are in control of their salvation, which is their release from the cycle of birth and rebirth.1
Biblical Response
Some might say that karma is part of Christianity because of Galatians 6:7: “Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap.” Even though the scriptures teach us that we will reap what we will sow, karma and Christianity are not compatible. We must remember that Galatians 6:7is talking about this life time, not the afterlife. Karma and the biblical idea of reaping what you sow are not the same. The Bible teaches that we will die once and then be judged. Hebrews 9:27says “And inasmuch as it is appointed for me to die once and after this comes judgment.”
Mendalla
Happy headbanging ape!!
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https://carm.org/karma-and-sin#footnote1_fm338hr
Not bad. It hits the key points.
Which is irrelevant as very few people who believe in karma are Christian or follow the Bible.
Personally, I don't believe in karma as a cosmic force, but I do think it's closer to the truth than the Biblical notion of divine judgement.
Karma means nothing to those that strictly follow gospel (which by definition is adhering to Christ/which is enlightenment, or sub dude illumination). Thus the concept of interfaith outside Christianity is lost to those that will not look into the unknown ... which is considered by some searchers to be abstract and dark and thus feared. What a tool!
Have you ever encountered terrorism in church? It can develop far right Tous Christianity ... that believe in faith they know what is beyond eM.
This attribute towards the unknown can be used in avarice to divide and conquer ... as fear and anger can separate one from thoughts, knowledge and wisdom about pragmatism ... thus modern Christianity has isolated itself form ecumenism and being at one with the whole thing (everything as infused byg odd powers! This could be the dark shadow of underlying thoughts since El Su was turned into J' Zues ... how the greater soul fiddles with the offspring psyche to teach eM metaphorically ... allowing the Great Code to be buried or partisan to God only knows ... thus the spark in abstract!
Mind play ... sort of like Mastering Joie Ceph ene ... the surrounding factor in reality that opposes Eire as virtue un breathed ... and do we not all re breath in the same pool of essence? That's the spirit ... in and out ... or as it comes and goes depending on whether you're in subjective or objective dis positioning of the incarnate thingy ... that appearing as isn't?
How understand drifts far from the archetype as it drifts in time through an abstract mind without illumination to the ancient wisdom .. as a it was in the beginning ... allowing the loved to act stupid without condemnation! Now Christians have increased the laws and loss of such freedom to learn in the swamp ... a cultivated garden by powers of mahaineim ... or isolated by law! Tis a Jude'AN item poly misunderstood by the grossly illiterate devices ... people of great emotives and little thought.
Have you ever encountered terrorism in church? It can develop far right Tous Christianity ... that believe in faith they know what is beyond eM.
This attribute towards the unknown can be used in avarice to divide and conquer ... as fear and anger can separate one from thoughts, knowledge and wisdom about pragmatism ... thus modern Christianity has isolated itself form ecumenism and being at one with the whole thing (everything as infused byg odd powers! This could be the dark shadow of underlying thoughts since El Su was turned into J' Zues ... how the greater soul fiddles with the offspring psyche to teach eM metaphorically ... allowing the Great Code to be buried or partisan to God only knows ... thus the spark in abstract!
Mind play ... sort of like Mastering Joie Ceph ene ... the surrounding factor in reality that opposes Eire as virtue un breathed ... and do we not all re breath in the same pool of essence? That's the spirit ... in and out ... or as it comes and goes depending on whether you're in subjective or objective dis positioning of the incarnate thingy ... that appearing as isn't?
How understand drifts far from the archetype as it drifts in time through an abstract mind without illumination to the ancient wisdom .. as a it was in the beginning ... allowing the loved to act stupid without condemnation! Now Christians have increased the laws and loss of such freedom to learn in the swamp ... a cultivated garden by powers of mahaineim ... or isolated by law! Tis a Jude'AN item poly misunderstood by the grossly illiterate devices ... people of great emotives and little thought.
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Delightful Life
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Actually
We humans
Acting in concert with reality
Are lessening global poverty
https://ourworldindata.org/world-poverty/
So your statement is correct in the sense of g_d being collective humanity acting in harmony with each other n reality but isnt correct if you believe g_d will save us all in some magic super daddy way
Its all in the actual data in that link
Enjoy
Then the Latin form made eD'mist ... and created a fog ... like when passions overcome wisdom ... and thus Muses regresses in the sight of great Ba'aLs of fire that is God set free ... makes for a fine myth to describe what s observe in de sunlight of my's ole thing ...
ED'mist: Latin term for someone who acknowledges and studies small things as cause of catastrophic bombs ... dissatisfied serfs in feudal orders? Spells may shift to to hexing by time ... parallels red-shift and blue-shift order allowing some critters to see UV and others to see IR and mortals to see only what's visible and thus be bugged by the unseen beauty of distant light ... nebulous, or neigh bull us and something to escape from ... but we can't for fear of facing up to our as Zae nature and unable to kiss it good bi! When done you drift into the abstract permanently so as to contribute to the whole future as you did down here in a crude manner that is not a fine as out Eire ...
ED'mist: Latin term for someone who acknowledges and studies small things as cause of catastrophic bombs ... dissatisfied serfs in feudal orders? Spells may shift to to hexing by time ... parallels red-shift and blue-shift order allowing some critters to see UV and others to see IR and mortals to see only what's visible and thus be bugged by the unseen beauty of distant light ... nebulous, or neigh bull us and something to escape from ... but we can't for fear of facing up to our as Zae nature and unable to kiss it good bi! When done you drift into the abstract permanently so as to contribute to the whole future as you did down here in a crude manner that is not a fine as out Eire ...
Is data, facts, and intellect sort of misty when buried in lynx ... the western form of the cat of Hebrew analogy? They prowl at night looking for something to consume in essence. Kind of like released spirits ...
Thus sects can be the end of something .. re Nous Able?
Thus sects can be the end of something .. re Nous Able?
unsafe
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Mendalla ----your quote ---- Which is irrelevant as very few people who believe in karma are Christian or follow the Bible
Precisely my point I am trying to make with Neo ----he is trying to mix following Christ with following Buddha ----it doesn't work ---he quotes scripture from the Christian Bible and relates it to his religion ----the 2 are not compatible -----All God's promises are for the here and now -----you reap what you sow while your here on this earth ----Karma says it is for the next life not this life --- law of karma implies that every thought or deed, whether they are good or bad, will count in determining how an individual will be born in their next life on earth
Precisely my point I am trying to make with Neo ----he is trying to mix following Christ with following Buddha ----it doesn't work ---he quotes scripture from the Christian Bible and relates it to his religion ----the 2 are not compatible -----All God's promises are for the here and now -----you reap what you sow while your here on this earth ----Karma says it is for the next life not this life --- law of karma implies that every thought or deed, whether they are good or bad, will count in determining how an individual will be born in their next life on earth