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Kimmio said:
Unless you're hallucinating. :p;)
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Is that like an incarnate perception ... appearing as isn't? Is an abstract mind darker and less observable than the lighter version ... Leviathan? Mons tros citii ... a version of the Hebrew bo'chi pyre ... loosely translated; the chaotic fire of passion.

In short one should know what they're getting into ... but communication is difficult given the aversion to learning ... you wish to be warmed, not roasted alive! Thus the mean mediums ... forming thin kings ... uprights of a different presentation!

You can be caught in it while in the woods, on the Savannah, or even in a Fire ship on the great waters ... a mire metaphor for something else again taking its turn ...
 
Luce NDs said:
Is that like an incarnate perception ... appearing as isn't? Is an abstract mind darker and less observable than the lighter version ... Leviathan? Mons tros citii ... a version of the Hebrew bo'chi pyre ... loosely translated; the chaotic fire of passion.

In short one should know what they're getting into ... but communication is difficult given the aversion to learning ... you wish to be warmed, not roasted alive! Thus the mean mediums ... forming thin kings ... uprights of a different presentation!

You can be caught in it while in the woods, on the Savannah, or even in a Fire ship on the great waters ... a mire metaphor for something else again taking its turn ...
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The thread is about seeing things isn't it. ;)
I thought that's what I saw the title say. :)

It is not meant to conjure up anything averse.

What about lucid dreams? Kundalini?
 
As word goes around in the great white wash 'n machine is poly tech in the extreme just another politic?

Tis hard to maintain balance in this system ... thus the collapse ... hum-Blink ...
 
Kimmio said:
The thread is about seeing things. ;)

What about lucid dreams?
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I.E. look it all over ... could take some time for it all to come round --- George Orwell or some other modern prophet of doom and darkness as the only escape ... gotta be someone on the other side with a sense of Levity! Its vital ... or continuum falls victim to the destroyers ... and we'll all be eaten up as runes/ruins ... dislocated fuþarc ... virtually forgotten script ...

Pops up in pork bellied investors ... just too fat! They degrade to thin kin' as tall dark Shadows ... incubus or succubus depending on perspective from the malevolent or maleficent view ...

Tis enough to generate a Khartoum -ish story ... the hidden intellectualism on the other side ...

Some commentator stated the next Einstein to come out of Africa ... possibly due to the rush of the institutionalized to roast science and all its affinities ... strange observations are thus lost ... to the twilight?

Resembles the Carnot cycle, but many religious types wouldn't wish to know that either ...
 
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Over the years I've tried replacing the word 'God' with other words. For awhile on WC I used the word 'holy', after rejecting the term 'holy one' as too objective. I've also tried words like 'sacred' or phrases like 'perfect love' or 'the great I AM'. The problem is that none of these, or the words suggested above, convey the wholeness and completeness of God. God is more than 'love', which itself has a multitude of meanings. God is more than 'creation' or of 'evolution'. Words limit. And words take on meanings over time.

So perhaps this might be a good exercise to read a passage of the Bible and try substitution another word or term for God, it might open our eyes to deeper meaning of that passage, but I don't think it would work in all cases, or be effective in the long run of disposing of all the connotations people hear when they hear the word 'god'.
 
Then as Len Cohen said in Hallelujah: "David played for the Lord ... but 'you' don't like mus-eque do yah"?

Song and dance was putdown? Tis an emmer sable entity ... and the vespers emerged ... not unlike weaseling into a'm'n's vitals ... allowing that internalized gnawing sensation ... what's Aman? Tis a citii in Jordan ... another version was buried along the Blue Nile ... asa Nile -ism! Be de athe me ...

Hoo's you in the lyrics that is looking for understanding of the proffered word? Isn't that a daemon of learning? Sometimes haunts the emotional "cite"! But you're not supposed to say that out loud ... so it was rite! Like a phase to pass through ... but it passes Eyore way ... in light satyr ... similar to Shakespeare's donkeys ... mules 've thought?

In Avalon myth it could be a lady in the lady or what drove Running Bare off ... down by de riva ...
 
Psychopathic or just psyche ... being that psyche is out of the biblical trend: "Gods people didn't wish to know" when they saw Moses come down off that high spot ... wasted!

Such is nemesis ... the dark lady of soliloquy ... or that Ridgeland east of Edinburgh! Hides Ness ... and ripples in the pool and all that ... creates an ongoing story ... some dark, unseen power won't see that di ... the terminal part being curtailed ...
 
Neo said:
Do you believe you have the capacity to comprehend the Absolute?
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if you know who the Absolute is would you not speak the Truth? Like your round earth example, would you not speak the truth that the world is Round or would you simply say that's nice its your belief that the world is flat let them go on in there falsehood
 
Kimmio said:
Why are all these classic stories (or songs) so psychopathic? It's in Italian and sounds pretty. But, wow. Atheists can't just blame the bible stories.
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Actually, that whole opera (Turandot) is pretty messed up. Fantastic music but the story and characters ... yeah :rolleyes:. And that applies to Puccini in general. You have Madama Butterfly killing herself over an American she had a fling with. In Tosca, everyone dies a horrible death (the hero is executed, the villain is murdered by the heroine, the heroine commits suicide). His rare comedies are better but he didn't write a lot of those.

The thing is, no one tries to use Turandot or Tosca as a guide to life. Just about everyone sees them as just stories for entertainment. That's why atheists don't "blame" them. Whereas with The Bible, you have people going around saying you are doomed unless you follow this particular bunch of stories. some of which are, in fact, just as messed up as Turandot.
 
Real opera buffs see it as way more than "entertainment". It's an artform. And they're right into it. Almost like religion. I used to work for the opera, box-office. It really is "high art" - and a lot goes into it. I saw the dancers and actors practice (singers locked out of the studio were in the office washroom practicing!), I saw the set builders, and costume designers. I didn't work there for a long time and don't know a ton about opera - but I learned a bit - they do tend to be filled with violence and tragedy.

The Bible is an art form too.
 
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Kimmio said:
Real opera buffs see it as way more than "entertainment". It's an artform. And they're right into it. Almost like religion. I used to work for the opera, box-office. It really is "high art" - and a lot goes into it. I saw the dancers and actors practice (singers locked out of the studio were in the office washroom practicing!), I saw the set builders, and costume designers. I didn't work there for a long time and don't know a ton about opera - but I learned a bit - they do tend to be filled with violence and tragedy.

The Bible is an art form too.
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First off, let me make one thing clear: I am a HUGE opera fan. I love the stuff and have followed it for decades.

Yes, it is an artform. But guess what? So are movies and TV shows done right. Opera is every bit as much about entertainment as they are. And they take every bit as much work to prepare as an opera does, it's just that you don't see it happening. The whole "high art" thing is really just snobbery. If you actually parse out the plots of operas, they are mostly just melodramas that would make a soap writer blush or elaborate plots that are really little different from Game of Thrones. It's only the fact that they are sung to some of the most sublime music ever written that makes us treat them differently. There are good movies that are as good, if not better, at storytelling than the best operas. Many of the best operas wouldn't even stand up dramatically without the music.

And my point wasn't whether or not opera is "art"; it's that no one treats opera as the sole source of the meaning of existence, which is exactly how many Christians treat the Bible. And that is why opera is spared the wrath of atheists. There is simply no reason for them to critique opera the way they do the Bible because it simply does not affect people's lives the way The Bible does.
 
More correctly, nobody is trying to get laws changed to agree with opera. Opera does not try to de-legitimize science with bogus claims. Opera is not telling people that they will suffer if they don't like opera, or attempting to guilt them liking opera by saying opera died for them.

Don't get me wrong - I don't like opera. I just have no beef with opera, and opera doesn't try to coerce me into liking it, deny reality, or modify the laws that govern society. Christianity, at times, attempts all of the above.
 
They are plenty of people who wish opera would die..for them...along with country music. But, yes, I agree with what you both are saying. I guess I wish that more people could view the bible as being like an art form, in how they appreciate and relate to it. Instead of literalism.

There is snobbery in the opera community - that's not a false assumption. I've come across it. A lot more goes into it than people realize. It's a lavish affair and the work that goes into it is impressive. And there are a lot of wealthy supporters - without them it probably would die. Which would be unfortunate. But they're the ones who can afford to keep it going..
 
Mendalla said:
Actually, that whole opera (Turandot) is pretty messed up. Fantastic music but the story and characters ... yeah :rolleyes:. And that applies to Puccini in general. You have Madama Butterfly killing herself over an American she had a fling with. In Tosca, everyone dies a horrible death (the hero is executed, the villain is murdered by the heroine, the heroine commits suicide). His rare comedies are better but he didn't write a lot of those.

The thing is, no one tries to use Turandot or Tosca as a guide to life. Just about everyone sees them as just stories for entertainment. That's why atheists don't "blame" them. Whereas with The Bible, you have people going around saying you are doomed unless you follow this particular bunch of stories. some of which are, in fact, just as messed up as Turandot.
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Does it reflect humanity as normal?
 
Can opera, country music, etc. be infiltrated by propaganda? Should for this reason only ... we be required to eliminate song, dance and art forms?

What if there is a tiny bit of virtue hidden there to be accrued?
 
chansen said:
Opera is not telling people that they will suffer if they don't like opera
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Actually - being a Christian is pretty much a guarantee that one will suffer.

"Jesus said to them, 'You will, for sure, suffer the way I will suffer. You will be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with'" - Mark 10:39b (NLV)
 
Jae said:
Actually - being a Christian is pretty much a guarantee that one will suffer.

"Jesus said to them, 'You will, for sure, suffer the way I will suffer. You will be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with'" - Mark 10:39b (NLV)
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Only if you are an alternate Christian and not an absolute Christian (that is all over everything else) for not being absolute and only abstract ... which is questionable way to go ... it makes me quite indeterminate about determinate types ...
 
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