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Mendalla said:
But how do we align with God when no seems to know with certainty what God is or wants of us to a degree where we can agree on it.
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I suppose we start be applying some of the golden rules when dealing people, both locally and internationally.
 
Neo said:
I suppose we start be applying some of the golden rules when dealing people, both locally and internationally.
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Which still doesn't require God. Where I am going with this is that maybe we UUs have it right. Metaphysics doesn't matter as much as having a sense of relationship and respect for each other and the world. As long as you treat others with respect and love, it really doesn't matter if that is based on faith in a religion or on an ethical philosophy or on a scientific understanding of the benefits of altruism. Let's stop abusing each other over meaningless metaphysics and start loving each other.
 
Mendalla said:
Which still doesn't require God. Where I am going with this is that maybe we UUs have it right. Metaphysics doesn't matter as much as having a sense of relationship and respect for each other and the world. As long as you treat others with respect and love, it really doesn't matter if that is based on faith in a religion or on an ethical philosophy or on a scientific understanding of the benefits of altruism. Let's stop abusing each other over meaningless metaphysics and start loving each other.
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'Let's stop arguing and just admit that we UUs have it right.' - Gotta love it.
 
Mendalla said:
And why does that matter? If the world somehow managed to be at peace, would it matter whether the basis of that peace was the Bible or the UU principles?
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That I've radically committed myself to the God of the Bible suggests that I feel that it would.
 
Jae said:
God values every life, including every unborn human life.
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How many miscarriages are there per year compared to the number of abortions? If your God is in charge, he's the most prolific abortion provider on Earth.

And even here, there is no Christian rule against abortion. Some allow it. Once again, Christianity stands for what you stand for.

I can get the opposition to abortion on moral grounds. Part of me agrees. The more rational side of me knows that without the option of legal and safe abortions, worse things would happen. And that also, there is a period of time where all we're talking about terminating is a collection of cells.

I don't respect when someone tells me their God has told them the rules anyone else have to live by. If you have a rational argument, bring it. If you have scripture or an "experience" with the deity of your choice, being ignored is the nicest possible thing that could happen to you from that point forward.
 
Jae said:
Not a misquote. Not a quote. A paraphrase.
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A paraphrase that conveniently ignored the "maybe" part. When I say "maybe" someone is right, it means it is up for discussion, not a definitive statement.
 
Mendalla said:
A paraphrase that conveniently ignored the "maybe" part. When I say "maybe" someone is right, it means it is up for discussion, not a definitive statement.
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Okay. Many people say maybe as part of a definitive statement. It's just part of conversation. I stand corrected.
 
Seeler said:
My 2 questions for discussion:
1) where have you seen God at work/the Kingdom breaking into the world recently?
2) when have you missed what God was doing because you were expecting God to do something different?
GordW.

The world seems a dark and frightening place to me right now. I'm worried aboout the not too distant future. My granddaughter is celebrating her 20th birthday. Soon she will be out of university and looking for meaningful work, then a home of heer own, perhaps a family to support. What security can she look for in a world with a mad man at the helm and a religious fanatic supporting him, but no doubt ready to step in if need be?

I see God at work in those who work for justice ... knowing that they might be persecuted for opposing this mad man. I'm thinking of the three judges who placed a ban on Trumps order to block people from seven ccountries entering the US, aand of other people who have spoken out against his policies.
I also see God at work in the individuals who serve one person at a time. The ones who help refugees. The ones who volunteer at the soup kitchen. The ones who knit warm mittens or prayer shawls. The ones who follow Jesus' way - feed the hungry, shelter the homeless, visit the prisoner, and who ask 'why?'

And I guess I am missing God's message when I read another news story and throw my hands up and say 'what's the world coming to?'
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I share your angst Seeler. But we both know from history that there are times of foreboding and worry in every generation. Millions died during World War One, massacred by a new weapon called the machine gun. Millions more died during the depression, cut down by malnutrition, or in North America, by "dust pneumonia" created by the dust bowl. A generation of North American school children were drilled on how to hide under their desks in preparation for nuclear attack. This summer, before I could eat hot dogs and watch a baseball game, I had to pass through a metal detector to ensure I wasn't carrying a weapon, or worse. For me, that we can face these perilous and uncertain times with our human spirit intact is a testament to God at work in our lives. Yes, we will have those "throw-our-hands- in-the-air" moments; life can be vexing and frustrating and just plain frightening, no doubt about it. But the points of compassion and charity such as you pointed out in the face of this do point me to God. "Do your bits of good where you are. It's those bits taken together that overwhelm the world." Archbishop Desmond Tutu, Nobel Peace Prize winner (paraphrased)
 
chansen said:
But again, that's just you superimposing "God" on things you agree with. Mendalla's point isn't that where you see God at work, others see humanity. His point is that where you see God in the welcoming of refugees, others see God in the rejection of refugees. "God", then, becomes a way to lend the authority of "God" to what you agree with.
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Thus God wobbles and weaves ... so have cares ... apropos ... they may sever strings and fabrics ... the're yule be rye in spirit ... like stuff represented in psychometric charts that illustrate whetting and dampening of Heads over Eire ... collages of them being masses of air heads ... listen carefully to the source of Runes ... archaic Phonation! But as pas 'd histerics I can't say it ... tis stuff stored in the expanse of mind ... believed a small spot or dot ... considering the spot we're in due to not wanting to know what goes round; the earth or the sun>

Do you feel dizzy, or busy processing ... things you believed not to be ... but there it be chaos laid out as on Eire ... insignificant poetics to support mankind's naught no-wing but one winging it ... as there should have been two wings for balance de Deus! Things we're told that must be questioned ... and the questions should be directed to the staid ... but there are not ... they are very spirited and ugly about things uncertain ... indeterminate?

I'm happy with it ... could keep be wondering a long time ... about this strange word "psycho" ... few get the drift thereof ... winds of God as rough, or ruagh? Just opinion as we folks stripped of intelligence know not ... the hollow is a resonant as wild poetry in the pines with whippoorwills ... lonely! The other collective ...
 
BetteTheRed said:
And where does "God"s opinion lie on abortion? Every sperm is sacred, or more like God's view of turtle eggs?
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Who one'd up to spoor across the sea ... scattered ... Onan? A'shot in the dark ... if they all took root ... we'd be worse off that in the un processing state we're in now; a puzzling, or enigmatic dark state if we don't lighten up ... we're breading our self out of existence ... no need for hush puppies! Our goose is cooked guise if you have no cares (an'a. or a'na following the rules of a'deism)! Kind of an out of here concern ... as if we lost it ... due to Kind Henry VIII and that cluster of ...
 
Dave Henderson said:
I share your angst Seeler. But we both know from history that there are times of foreboding and worry in every generation. Millions died during World War One, massacred by a new weapon called the machine gun. Millions more died during the depression, cut down by malnutrition, or in North America, by "dust pneumonia" created by the dust bowl. A generation of North American school children were drilled on how to hide under their desks in preparation for nuclear attack. This summer, before I could eat hot dogs and watch a baseball game, I had to pass through a metal detector to ensure I wasn't carrying a weapon, or worse. For me, that we can face these perilous and uncertain times with our human spirit intact is a testament to God at work in our lives. Yes, we will have those "throw-our-hands- in-the-air" moments; life can be vexing and frustrating and just plain frightening, no doubt about it. But the points of compassion and charity such as you pointed out in the face of this do point me to God. "Do your bits of good where you are. It's those bits taken together that overwhelm the world." Archbishop Desmond Tutu, Nobel Peace Prize winner (paraphrased)
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What is it that is stated at the beginning of Nahum on the jealous and hateful God ... love us are we lost? Possibly stunned or Sunday Morning wished we were when people tell us pure love will win the war ... to general dissatisfaction when we see the destruction left behind ... fall out of a heavenly state of mind in tur moil?

Is god vengeful if some enigmatic thought is not thrown into the process ... causing alteration and coversion of spirits to still and disseminated thoughts ... separate things in the temporal code ... it resembling Runes ... and Wo'din ways ...

Blessings of epistemological study ... pared with philosophy and rheologic's (derived from rheological journals) laid out!
 
Jae said:
God cares about unborn turtles too. Jesus loves the little turtles, all the turtles of the world.
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And what about the gulls and other predators that eat a significant percentage of those little turtles before they ever get to the sea?
 
As for philosophers ... emotions make it hard for turtles ... all the way down !

Philosophy and epistemology as well as other studies are outside the realm of those that study love ... nothing to compare!
 
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