What Are The Building Blocks Of Our Faith ?

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Pr. Jae said:
Well...has it?
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I could be wrong. There could be a being that created everything. He could have then sent his son to correct his mistakes (after all, my father has begrudgingly done that before). But Christianity's proposal is just baseless and stupid, to the point that the possible penalties suggested for rejecting the idea make me laugh. I can not believe it as presented - it's just not possible.
 
Sure, I absolutely could be wrong. Except that my 'beliefs' are so amorphous as to be undogmatic.

I "believe" that humans are happier and healthier in community than alone. I particularly think that wrestling with the big questions (life, death, ethics) without some sort of friendly feedback from another human is unhealthy.
I "believe" that when my intention towards the world outside me is centred in kindness that the world tends to respond in kind.
I "believe" that a human needs to get outside itself and put another at the centre of its universe before they can claim full humanity.
I "believe" that social justice issues are most effectively addressed by a community.
 
Few mortals will accept such propositions as we inherited a sense of authority from God ... and de Deus retreated in contemplation ... the European Tyrants hunted down the ABBA'n sorts for their sacred values ... alas most missed the (w)hole point of the punctured activity ... diversity of linguistics so the mortal denying soul wouldn't resolve the issue as eliminated ... free choice on both extremes of knowing about concerns ... that'd be "anis" in old tongues ... some say Annies' Ung .. with the concern of child ...
 
BetteTheRed said:
Sure, I absolutely could be wrong. Except that my 'beliefs' are so amorphous as to be undogmatic.

I "believe" that humans are happier and healthier in community than alone. I particularly think that wrestling with the big questions (life, death, ethics) without some sort of friendly feedback from another human is unhealthy.
I "believe" that when my intention towards the world outside me is centred in kindness that the world tends to respond in kind.
I "believe" that a human needs to get outside itself and put another at the centre of its universe before they can claim full humanity.
I "believe" that social justice issues are most effectively addressed by a community.
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By community decision? is that socialistic normal behaviour? Is the house anti, or ante socialistic? A' priori loss of that kind of contemplation? Such things can dog the sub conscience ... that aft or under consideration?
 
BetteTheRed said:
Sure, I absolutely could be wrong. Except that my 'beliefs' are so amorphous as to be undogmatic.

I "believe" that humans are happier and healthier in community than alone. I particularly think that wrestling with the big questions (life, death, ethics) without some sort of friendly feedback from another human is unhealthy.
I "believe" that when my intention towards the world outside me is centred in kindness that the world tends to respond in kind.
I "believe" that a human needs to get outside itself and put another at the centre of its universe before they can claim full humanity.
I "believe" that social justice issues are most effectively addressed by a community.
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Even an amorphous, non-dogmatic belief can be wrong. It's just that you'll require less adjustment since you're not really "locked into" that belief the way a more dogmatic person would be. Socrates taught us to question our lives and that means all aspects.
 
BetteTheRed said:
I "believe" that humans are happier and healthier in community than alone. I particularly think that wrestling with the big questions (life, death, ethics) without some sort of friendly feedback from another human is unhealthy.
I "believe" that when my intention towards the world outside me is centred in kindness that the world tends to respond in kind.
I "believe" that a human needs to get outside itself and put another at the centre of its universe before they can claim full humanity.
I "believe" that social justice issues are most effectively addressed by a community.
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Nice, me too, on all counts.
 
Thus there are no virtual institutions as such statutes move alone in living form like progressing fonts ...

This could be a word? A'sh -ite ... and after that it ignited into something of charisma ... especially if the other was blinded due to some Cos ... alternate to parental guidance?

Never mess around the fire pit without a proper pool ... (that'd be thought)!
 
Mendalla said:
I have a few black marks in my record book for sure. The exact number depends on what you consider to be a sin of course. As I explained in another thread though, these failings are simply part of being human. No one is immune to them. They aren't something to get all "I am a horrible unworthy sinner " over. You learn from them, you try to do better the next time, you offer and accept forgiveness.

And that bit about if you commit one sin it is as if you committed all of them? Horse poop. If the Bible says that (and you didn't provide a citation) then it is a case of it being wrong. Lying a little to avoid a problematic confrontation is not comparable in scope or impact to rape or murder, but that teaching says they are equivalent.
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-- Hi Mendalla ---This post I find you to be wrong , and Jae to be right". You seem to be right after all about one thing. You are not a Christian. But again that's find , as you chose to believe" what you wish. I think though, you may have given this same feeling to Jae. I believe a Sin To GOD Is A Sin. From the smallest to the most hideous. Only by The Blood of Christ Jesus , I believe it is the way, you" or anyone else" will be forgiven of that (sin). It is Called Grace. All Glory is GODS.
 
Without a God, to be honest, the concept of "sin" becomes rather meaningless. I'd rather talk about how we are fallible than sinful. "Sinful" to me seems to denote some kind of cosmic condemnation when most of our so-called "sins" are really just us following our biology rather than our reason.
 
Waterfall said:
Well basically doesnt any mistake or sin need to be addressed?
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Of course, but going on and on about how horrible and sinful we are like Jae and others do doesn't address it. That's just wallowing in self-pity and making excuses for one's misdeeds, to be honest. Trying to right the wrongs, live life better, and forgive/be forgiven are how you address it.
 
Pr. Jae said:
Many died living out the Gospel in the right way for their particular contexts. However, we don't live in their contexts, we live in our own. Canada is a secular, post-Christendom, post-modern context. Christianity is dying, and "getting saved" is either a joke to most people, or else just not on their radar screens. I do believe that God still calls us to present the Gospel to people but that no longer involves sounding off on them and offering them golden tickets to heaven. In modern times that kind of approach worked. However, what people cry out for most in our context is relationship.
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--Hi Pr Jae--Do you not read or listen to the news? There are Christians all over the world , dying for there belief" in Jesus The Christ. Go down to were IsIs are. Tell them your a Christian, see if they don't hand you your Head.
 
Pr.Jae ------your quote -----How will we know when we're godly enough for God to listen to our prayers?

We are Godly enough in our spirit when we have the Holy Spirit endwelling in us -----we are no longer seen as sinners in God's eyes -----we are Godly ---Sanctified --Redeemed --- Holy ---- Justified -----in God's eyes ------prayers are heard ------

Understanding the use of this word godliness Pr.Jae is important ------

KJV Dictionary Definition: godliness
godliness

GOD'LINESS, n.from godly. Piety; belief in God, and reverence for his character and laws.

GOD'LY, a.god-likePious; reverencing God, and his character and laws.
1. Living in obedience to God's commands, from a principle of love to him and reverence of his character and precepts; religious; righteous; as a godly person.
2. Pious; conformed to God's law; as a godly life.

Godliness is a significant term in the Christian faith. According to Strong's Concordance, the word is translated from the Greek word for "piety", and is used in the New Testament fourteen times in the letters of Peter and Paul. While the expression also refers to the divinity of God, godliness in the Bible is mainly used to describe a positive way of life influenced by God, and inspired reflection in the tenets of the Christian faith.

Godliness as Divinity ---http://classroom.synonym.com/meaning-godliness-bible-6821.html

Another interpretation of godliness sometimes conferred on the word in scripture is as a means to describe God's divine nature.
godliness is typically seen as a spiritual state to aspire to, particularly through emulating the life of Jesus Christ and practicing Biblical teachings as proscribed by their chosen denomination.
 
Mendalla said:
Of course, but going on and on about how horrible and sinful we are like Jae and others do doesn't address it. That's just wallowing in self-pity and making excuses for one's misdeeds, to be honest. Trying to right the wrongs, live life better, and forgive/be forgiven are how you address it.
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Wallowing in it? I hope not. At the same time, I don't mind sharing what I believe my spiritual state to be during spiritual discussions. I agree with you on the importance of forgiveness and reconciliation.
 
airclean33 said:
--Hi Pr Jae--Do you not read or listen to the news? There are Christians all over the world , dying for there belief" in Jesus The Christ. Go down to were IsIs are. Tell them your a Christian, see if they don't hand you your Head.
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You'll note that I specifically spoke of the Canadian context Luce. Fire and ice.
 
unsafe said:
Pr.Jae ------your quote -----How will we know when we're godly enough for God to listen to our prayers?

We are Godly enough in our spirit when we have the Holy Spirit endwelling in us -----we are no longer seen as sinners in God's eyes -----we are Godly ---Sanctified --Redeemed --- Holy ---- Justified -----in God's eyes ------prayers are heard ------

Understanding the use of this word godliness Pr.Jae is important ------

KJV Dictionary Definition: godliness
godliness

GOD'LINESS, n.from godly. Piety; belief in God, and reverence for his character and laws.

GOD'LY, a.god-likePious; reverencing God, and his character and laws.
1. Living in obedience to God's commands, from a principle of love to him and reverence of his character and precepts; religious; righteous; as a godly person.
2. Pious; conformed to God's law; as a godly life.

Godliness is a significant term in the Christian faith. According to Strong's Concordance, the word is translated from the Greek word for "piety", and is used in the New Testament fourteen times in the letters of Peter and Paul. While the expression also refers to the divinity of God, godliness in the Bible is mainly used to describe a positive way of life influenced by God, and inspired reflection in the tenets of the Christian faith.

Godliness as Divinity ---http://classroom.synonym.com/meaning-godliness-bible-6821.html

Another interpretation of godliness sometimes conferred on the word in scripture is as a means to describe God's divine nature.
godliness is typically seen as a spiritual state to aspire to, particularly through emulating the life of Jesus Christ and practicing Biblical teachings as proscribed by their chosen denomination.
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And how do we get the Holy Spirit indwelling us? You've posted that God doesn't listen to the prayers of sinners, so it can't be from sinners asking God for the Spirit, to be righteous, to be saved, etc.
 
Mendalla said:
Without a God, to be honest, the concept of "sin" becomes rather meaningless. I'd rather talk about how we are fallible than sinful. "Sinful" to me seems to denote some kind of cosmic condemnation when most of our so-called "sins" are really just us following our biology rather than our reason.
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Sin is just violating a religious rule. Some of those rules make sense. Others don't. They appear rather arbitrary, though some of the more arbitrary looking ones may have ancient reasons that are no longer necessary, like prohibitions on certain foods.

Religion often uses sin as a guilt trip. My concern is that religion beats you down, so that it can build you back up again and take the credit.
 
Pr. Jae said:
You'll note that I specifically spoke of the Canadian context Luce. Fire and ice.
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--Yes of course Jae. I was wondering if you noted I used the middle east ,that were killing Christians. Because if you did you should note. We just invited 28.000 to come and live here in Canada. Not that I believe there coming here to kill us. Do you know how many Canadians, so called" lived here or were born born here . Went to fight with Isis?
 
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