What makes it selfish? Personally, I know myself - I'm quite the sinner. What I on my own most want to do is to go to Hell - a place of separation from God. Thankfully, He chose to give me His saving grace.
What Are The Building Blocks Of Our Faith ?
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Mendalla
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Right, but if salvation is available to all, it make recruiting new followers rather more difficult.
You figure we Christians could recruit more if we went around telling people they might not be savable?
Mendalla
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No, but telling people they have to be Christian to be saved will get you further than "You are saved regardless" which means folks can just shrug and go about their business.
Mendalla
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That's a spin you actually don't hear from Christians too often. The usual message from the evangelical world seems to be that Christian=saved=no more worrying about sin.
Do you mean you consciously want to go to Hell or just that the natural tendency of us sinful humans in general is towards Hell rather than Heaven?
airclean33
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--When GOD turned to Adam and said. Don't touch that tree. We were in trouble . For on the day you do . You shell die. THE LAW.
You might think so, it sounds good, but actually no. These days if you tell someone they need to believe in Jesus in order to get saved they'll just view you as some kind of nutbar, possibly be offended that you interrupted them with your nonsense, and then go on their way anyway. The best thing to do is to just love people and do life with them.
unsafe
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Waterfall ---this is just my thoughts on this
I believe they did repent because they believed God would do as He said -------so yes they repented because they had Faith in God's word coming to pass -----verse 5 says they believed God ------ as far as Faith building Blocks go -----they had God who dealt with the people Himself -----so God can change one's heart ---and His word which Jonah delivered apparently did that ----I am sure these People had many personal visions of God's word coming to pass -----as it says in Isaiah 55 :11 ---11 My word, which comes from my mouth, is like the rain and snow.It will not come back to me without results.It will accomplish whatever I wantand achieve whatever I send it to do.”
Jonah 3 GW
Nineveh Turns from Its Wicked Ways
Then the Lords poke his word to Jonah a second time. He said,2 “Leave at once for the important city, Nineveh. Announce to the people the message I have given you.”
3 Jonah immediately went to Nineveh as the Lord told him. Nineveh was a very large city. It took three days to walk through[a]it.4 Jonah entered the city and walked for about a day. Then he said, “In forty days Nineveh will be destroyed.”
5 The people of Nineveh believed God. They decided to fast, and everyone, from the most important to the least important, dressed in sackcloth.
6 When the news reached the king of Nineveh, he got up from his throne, took off his robe, put on sackcloth, and sat in ashes.7 Then he made this announcement and sent it throughout the city:
Your Quote ----How wouid you feel if Chansen and Pavlos make it into heaven and you don't? Is that even possible
Well Waterfall ----anyone can get into Heaven if they believe have Faith that Jesus Christ died and was resurrected and shed His Blood to cover all sin for all people forever and have the Holy Spirit they will have eternal life -------- if Chansen and Pavlos were to get into Heaven without receiving Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour ---then under the New Covenant God would be a lair and a respecter of persons ---- and God says This about that ---God never varies from His word ------and God is not a respecter of persons but is a respecter of His word ----- Acts 10:34
Then Peter began to speak: "I now truly understand that God does not show favoritism,
and Jesus made ti very clear in John 3 ----you must be born again ----so there is no chance that God will allow sin in heaven ----His Kingdom is a Holy Place and He states in Revelations 21:27 ---nothing unholy can enter ------and your name has to be in the Lambs Book of life -----
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Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.
I believe they did repent because they believed God would do as He said -------so yes they repented because they had Faith in God's word coming to pass -----verse 5 says they believed God ------ as far as Faith building Blocks go -----they had God who dealt with the people Himself -----so God can change one's heart ---and His word which Jonah delivered apparently did that ----I am sure these People had many personal visions of God's word coming to pass -----as it says in Isaiah 55 :11 ---11 My word, which comes from my mouth, is like the rain and snow.It will not come back to me without results.It will accomplish whatever I wantand achieve whatever I send it to do.”
Jonah 3 GW
Nineveh Turns from Its Wicked Ways
Then the Lords poke his word to Jonah a second time. He said,2 “Leave at once for the important city, Nineveh. Announce to the people the message I have given you.”
3 Jonah immediately went to Nineveh as the Lord told him. Nineveh was a very large city. It took three days to walk through[a]it.4 Jonah entered the city and walked for about a day. Then he said, “In forty days Nineveh will be destroyed.”
5 The people of Nineveh believed God. They decided to fast, and everyone, from the most important to the least important, dressed in sackcloth.
6 When the news reached the king of Nineveh, he got up from his throne, took off his robe, put on sackcloth, and sat in ashes.7 Then he made this announcement and sent it throughout the city:
Your Quote ----How wouid you feel if Chansen and Pavlos make it into heaven and you don't? Is that even possible
Well Waterfall ----anyone can get into Heaven if they believe have Faith that Jesus Christ died and was resurrected and shed His Blood to cover all sin for all people forever and have the Holy Spirit they will have eternal life -------- if Chansen and Pavlos were to get into Heaven without receiving Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour ---then under the New Covenant God would be a lair and a respecter of persons ---- and God says This about that ---God never varies from His word ------and God is not a respecter of persons but is a respecter of His word ----- Acts 10:34
Then Peter began to speak: "I now truly understand that God does not show favoritism,
and Jesus made ti very clear in John 3 ----you must be born again ----so there is no chance that God will allow sin in heaven ----His Kingdom is a Holy Place and He states in Revelations 21:27 ---nothing unholy can enter ------and your name has to be in the Lambs Book of life -----
New International Version
Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.
If god is all encompassing ... could this genre of Hur exclude us from the eternal zone?
Tis a bitch of an enigma for that poor old lady with the big soul and large Shue!
Then in an emotional world where rationalism is denied ... is thought supernatural? Thus far out thinking ... I know many Christians that wouldn't allow that to enter their head ...
Tis a bitch of an enigma for that poor old lady with the big soul and large Shue!
Then in an emotional world where rationalism is denied ... is thought supernatural? Thus far out thinking ... I know many Christians that wouldn't allow that to enter their head ...
Neo
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Only time is ever lost.
How do you figure?
That's because we mostly like to concentrate on pointing out what we perceive to be the sins of others. Much more comfortable a thing to do. I actually prefer to think that those who haven't rejected faith in Christ have been saved. That's a different thing than saying Christian=saved, because I don't feel right limiting salvation to those who belong to organized Christian religion. To do so would be to posit a scheme of salvation based on works - which the Bible speaks against.
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Consciously, I hold that without faith in Christ I would engage in behavior offensive to God in an unenlightened striving to remain distant from him.
chansen
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Yeah? But with God you have a nasty habit of engaging in behaviour that is offensive to everyone else. One step forward and one step back?
Not quite sure what you're talking about chansen but, hey, I'm a sinner saved by grace. It's possible that you've seen me commit the odd sin now and again on WC2.
Murder? Well, the Bible suggests that if we've committed one sin it is as if we've committed them all. In that sense, I guess I have been guilty of murder. Thing is, I'm able to admit that I've committed at least one sin - are you?
Mendalla
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I have a few black marks in my record book for sure. The exact number depends on what you consider to be a sin of course. As I explained in another thread though, these failings are simply part of being human. No one is immune to them. They aren't something to get all "I am a horrible unworthy sinner " over. You learn from them, you try to do better the next time, you offer and accept forgiveness.
And that bit about if you commit one sin it is as if you committed all of them? Horse poop. If the Bible says that (and you didn't provide a citation) then it is a case of it being wrong. Lying a little to avoid a problematic confrontation is not comparable in scope or impact to rape or murder, but that teaching says they are equivalent.
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Neo
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I wouldn't consider the doctrine of reincarnation as wish-fulfillment, like some unreal reward heaven with wings and angels or some equally unreal hell of punishment with the devil harbouring your Soul for all eternity.
Reincarnation works closely with the great Law of Cycles and the great Law of Karma. The third chapter of Ecclesiastes speaks of the importance of cycles, while Issac Newton knew the importance of cause and effect.
We see examples of reincarnation in nature as the life dies in the fall only to be resurrected again the spring. We see our daily lives lose consciousness at least once a day only to wake up to a new day the next morning. Image your life itself being but a day in the life of your Soul... except when you die it's your Soul waking up .. again. From the Jewish standpoint, the body doesn't have a Soul, but rather the Soul has a body. When the Souls breathes the form is found nearby, is an old saying about which comes first. This would make our personal lives like a wheel within a wheel.
Reincarnation is accepted in some form or another by most great religions. Christianity, however, through a very successful campaign by the early Christian Church has not only refused to accept the precepts of reincarnation but actually went so far as to outlaw it among Christians. It's now lumped in with the dark occult, so much so that I couldn't be a Christian and believe in reincarnation. Imagine a religion having the arrogance to make such a claim against the Soul. It's incredible.