airclean33
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That's what I mean" your kind is always forgetting our secret whistle .Ah, got to know the secret handshake and magic words, eh?
What Are The Building Blocks Of Our Faith ?
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Mendalla
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That's what I mean" your kind is always forgetting our secret whistle .
You just old me, though. What's the punishment for telling a non/ex-Christian about the secret whistle?
airclean33
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Mendalla
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Okay, it does talk about the seven spirits of God in Revelations 5:6. I'm convinced.
The thing about this passage in Revelation is that I don't think even a great fantasy writer like Neil Gaiman could improve on it. In fact, if I didn't already know about it (yes, I have read Revelations a couple times) and someone showed it to me unattributed, I'd figure it was a piece of fantasy fiction. It's very imaginative imagery but I cannot really see it being taken literally for just that reason.
The thing about this passage in Revelation is that I don't think even a great fantasy writer like Neil Gaiman could improve on it. In fact, if I didn't already know about it (yes, I have read Revelations a couple times) and someone showed it to me unattributed, I'd figure it was a piece of fantasy fiction. It's very imaginative imagery but I cannot really see it being taken literally for just that reason.
Okay, it does talk about the seven spirits of God in Revelations 5:6. I'm convinced.
The thing about this passage in Revelation is that I don't think even a great fantasy writer like Neil Gaiman could improve on it. In fact, if I didn't already know about it (yes, I have read Revelations a couple times) and someone showed it to me unattributed, I'd figure it was a piece of fantasy fiction. It's very imaginative imagery but I cannot really see it being taken literally for just that reason.
In the Bible the number 7 is often used to represent perfection or completeness. http://www.gotquestions.org/number-7-seven.html
Hence, I believe the "seven spirits of God" is actually a reference to the divine perfection of God.
Then again, I could be wrong. There could be a whole host of spirits.
Neo
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Ok, I read it, but what are you saying? That the Christian religion is the only way to experience Christ? You must have a limited view of Christ and what He is in relation to Humanity and God if you believe this.
I'm not asking anyone to change their beliefs, I'm just saying that the people the world over are different and it shouldn't matter what religion one belongs to. What should matter is "how" you conduct yourself in this world, and nothing else. If you are sincere in your heart and honest in your mind then you are on the right path. This is all that is asked of you, (in my personal opinion). Religion is happenstance of when and where you are born in the world. Surely a just God would never judge us on such a matter.
When Christ said the words: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me", He merely echoed the words of Lord Krishna thousands of years earlier when He said: "I am the way, come to Me…Neither the multitude of gods, nor great sages know my origin, for I am the source of all the gods and great sages." Christians and Hindus personify these words towards their own religions. If you "de-personify" these words, however, it can be understood that both Christ and Krishna reached a level of Awareness where the people around them could see God, the sum-total of our world, through Them. Religion does not have to come into play when it comes to awareness. It's a natural process of evolution that anyone can accomplish.
The Maitreya teachings say: “The simple foundation for the teachings of the New Age is this: Be who you are. If you are a Jew, be a Jew. If you are a Muslim, be a Muslim. If you are a Christian, a Hindu, a Buddhist, be who you are. If you can discover the secrets of mind, spirit and body, you will know who you are. You can do this through honesty of mind, sincerity of spirit and detachment.”
Accepting the possibility that Christians may not have the monopoly on Christ is one of the great lessons that it will need to learn if it is to survive as a religion in the future. The Christ principle of God-Awareness is for the whole world.
Okay, it does talk about the seven spirits of God in Revelations 5:6. I'm convinced.
The thing about this passage in Revelation is that I don't think even a great fantasy writer like Neil Gaiman could improve on it. In fact, if I didn't already know about it (yes, I have read Revelations a couple times) and someone showed it to me unattributed, I'd figure it was a piece of fantasy fiction. It's very imaginative imagery but I cannot really see it being taken literally for just that reason.
Everything is questionable ... given our propensity to not know ...
What about 14 (de Deus 'd) that one more than the Friday bad luck situation? That would fall 1 short of 15 ... or the extra five fingers of that pentagon that would pick you out of the core of a glowing situation ... giving the light of the situation we're in ... non-ve-it without a scratch bit of imagination ... could simulate the fire in the stone as the Hebrew Jew Lears cut it in a Bazaar situation ...
Steven King believes one needs a real horror story to bring out the peculiar parts of humanity that they take as rite ... thus that House rising in New Orleans ... a bit of a horror to those loosing things there ... should have been left in the pans, or pan Tae Loons ... so it goes ...
No Pane no horizon ... horror Eris & story at the fringe of where all thoughts were laid to rest? Did you know that mankind going 7 days without sleep will die (168 our limit to mortality for an integral of 15, doubly integrated to 6-x) science/observation said so ... and thus life passes us by and still we don't understand it ... some even say God is life ... and thus the miracle of mysteries ... pure myth ...
There is this myth of the walking dead ... if you put something i'near that could leave life behind ... do they come to life fast ... then the patriarchy in some traditions would put these dot-rs or pixies down ... even thought they would teach eM a way round the excessive continuation route ... O'mah gogue when will they ever learn about the lisp of pall ... since the troth could not be spit out ... embarrassed the patriarchy !
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airclean33
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-- Hi Mendalla--I hope it helps you in some way. Right or wrong really, has no meaning here . Some will see it one way , others another. There is more though on the war that started in Heaven". I believe we here, on this earth, even today are in it". As a matter of fact GODS Word The Bible, tells us just that. Ephesians 6: 12.Okay, it does talk about the seven spirits of God in Revelations 5:6. I'm convinced.
The thing about this passage in Revelation is that I don't think even a great fantasy writer like Neil Gaiman could improve on it. In fact, if I didn't already know about it (yes, I have read Revelations a couple times) and someone showed it to me unattributed, I'd figure it was a piece of fantasy fiction. It's very imaginative imagery but I cannot really see it being taken literally for just that reason.
Airclean--post--
So AC33 what's the fuss ... all about nothing or just to cause freshening of the wha' terres?
Did you know in some ancient traditions the medium of the mind was water ... and romantics could cause turbulent waters? Jah Zeus someone even suggested an immersion if you couldn't cool your passions ... lets drink to that with Charles Baudelaire and stop of the fighting in the pub ... Jesus goal? Now he rests ... but by appearances could reawaken ... straight from the heart of that: in dig O'woman, you didn't ... yes chez did a' Muse ... them lying out in booths in arid zones ...
Some whetting may be expected ... Sum not, or alas in some cases Sum Zero humis ... NOSH-ite ... thus ID was consumed sub conscience lye ... we didn't know ... a rare few are aware ... of the text of the infinite soul ... the devil lady to heh resting ... bi god's ... flashing as a splatter ...
airclean33
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Ok, I read it, but what are you saying? That the Christian religion is the only way to experience Christ? You must have a limited view of Christ and what He is in relation to Humanity and God if you believe this.
Airclean--post--
I had ask you to show me , why after reading JOHN3:. You would explain to me . How you think a Christian. Could follow any other way but Christ Jesus. John 3: 17-18-- reads RSV--
Jhn 3:17For God sent the Son into the world, not to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him.
Jhn 3:18He who believes in him is not condemned; he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
--Neo--post--
I'm not asking anyone to change their beliefs, I'm just saying that the people the world over are different and it shouldn't matter what religion one belongs to. What should matter is "how" you conduct yourself in this world, and nothing else. If you are sincere in your heart and honest in your mind then you are on the right path. This is all that is asked of you, (in my personal opinion). Religion is happenstance of when and where you are born in the world. Surely a just God would never judge us on such a matter.
Airclean--post---
I have no wish to put any faith down. However I don't always have that choice. I am asking you to understand . That to a true Christian, there is but one way( Jesus The Christ) The Begotten Son of GOD.I believe there is nothing you can do to earn your way to GOD. You are not good ,you are sinfull. There is but one that was good well in flesh . His Name is Jesus The Christ. You can but agree your a sinner, and ask Him to save you.
---Neo --post--
When Christ said the words: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me", He merely echoed the words of Lord Krishna thousands of years earlier when He said: "I am the way, come to Me…Neither the multitude of gods, nor great sages know my origin, for I am the source of all the gods and great sages."
Airclean--post ---I wonder if you know there is one here on earth . That knows the Bibles verse . Better than any man? Oh he knows GODS words" . But he don't understand them, he will use them to cause some to stumble an fall. his name is satan. Luke 4:--8----
Luk 4:8And Jesus answered him, "It is written, 'You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shall you serve.'"
Neo---post--
Christians and Hindus personify these words towards their own religions. If you "de-personify" these words, however, it can be understood that both Christ and Krishna reached a level of Awareness where the people around them could see God, the sum-total of our world, through Them. Religion does not have to come into play when it comes to awareness. It's a natural process of evolution that anyone can accomplish.
----Airclean--post
Why not ad the Moslems as well . Some of there text's , are almost read verbatim. I think you will find though they don't believe what we do .As far as Krishna having his follows seeing GOD .You do know Jesus said no man has seen GOD.--
1Jo 4:12No man has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us and his love is perfected in us.
--Neo--post---
The Maitreya teachings say: “The simple foundation for the teachings of the New Age is this: Be who you are. If you are a Jew, be a Jew. If you are a Muslim, be a Muslim. If you are a Christian, a Hindu, a Buddhist, be who you are. If you can discover the secrets of mind, spirit and body, you will know who you are. You can do this through honesty of mind, sincerity of spirit and detachment.”
Airclean--post--
I find this all wrong. Jesus The Christ is the head of The Church of GOD . There is no other worthy to stand in that place. As all others have sinned and fallen short of the mark. Truly it is said, the blind is leading the blind"
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--Neo--post--
Accepting the possibility that Christians may not have the monopoly on Christ is one of the great lessons that it will need to learn if it is to survive as a religion in the future. The Christ principle of God-Awareness is for the whole world.
Airclean--post--
There I believe is but one Jesus The Christ, Begotten Son Of GOD. Again the question is , why would you accept any other to take His" place. You may have noted me talking to a Minister here on Wonder. I will always give them there office they have chosen. It is a very hard job , I believe . To have others, salvation in your hands. To stand and teach members" of the church of GOD, and not mislead them. Would shake me some. There are many who have tried to mislead GODS Chosen . They may have even been able to do it for a while. But the GOD of Jesus", is much, to smart for them". He has told us about the end days, and how it will be
The time of falling away. Many will lose, the true faith", and believe a Lie. They will kneel to that who is no god. Now if you believe this is GODS fault. Let's go back to John 3::16--17
Jhn 3:16For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Jhn 3:17For God sent the Son into the world, not to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him.
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Isaiah 11New King James Version (NKJV)
The Reign of Jesse’s Offspring
11 There shall come forth a Rod from the stem of Jesse,
And a Branch shall grow out of his roots.
2 The Spirit of theLordshall rest upon Him,
The Spirit of wisdom and understanding,
The Spirit of counsel and might,
The Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of theLord.
Delightful Life
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Neo
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I reformatted your reply above to make it more readable. (Please, when you reply, just put "all" your comments at the very end of the reply - after the last [/quote] tag. Trying to embed your replies with my replies only makes the whole thing difficult to read)
But I am not asking Christians to follow any other way, I'm asking them to open their eyes and their hearts a bit, to become aware of the bigger picture. I believe the Christ consciousness is universal, regardless of which religious club one joins. Do you believe God to be so petty so as to judge based on one’s religious temperament? I don't. This is the Church theology that makes you believe this. As I said before, religion is a happenstance of where and when you are born. If you were born in India then you would likely be a Hindu or maybe a Sikh. If you were born with Muslim influence in your life then you’re likely to be a Muslim. You were likely born into a Christian society and therefore are a Christian. And yes I know there are converts but as a general rule this is the way it is. "What" we believe, therefore, should not be as important as “how" we believe. There are certain “golden rules” that apply to humanity. This is, I believe, the universal love that Jesus preached.Neo said:
Preachers like Paul, in my personal opinion, overstated the importance of the man Jesus over of the importance of the Human Soul. The Bible is a collection of writings that was written by God inspired men and then translated and collated by the Church into a de-facto Canon. The Bible is not some physical artifact or reflection of a spiritual Bible somewhere. Only the Church would have you believe this. The use of the "the Word" is not related to the Bible per se, but is rather a variation of the eastern "AUM", an old Sanskrit symbol that could be translated literally as "the Sound of Creation". Christ was at One with this Sound of Creation, therefore it could be said that He was "the Word", and "One with God". Which then, through theology and interpretation I believe, become confused with Him being the "only Son of God".
The dozens and dozens of different Bibles in the world should be a hint that they are all man-made and man-interpreted, according to the changing language and philosophy of the time. The Church, however, has warned us that any other source of spiritual wisdom must be deceptive and sourced by Satan. This is has been a very successful political campaign tactic since the beginnings of Christianity. It's time we opened our eyes.
This point here is what, in my mind, is messing religionists up. The idea that there is a personal satan, whose only job it is to trick you into not believing what the Church has told you to believe, is dong more harm to people than it was intended to. With this kind of paranoia one could easily miss much of the wisdom in the world, thinking that it must be the devil trying to trick away from the Church. A good case in point is where a "young earth creationists" believes that Satan must’ve placed those dinosaur bones into the ground just to trick us into thinking that the Earth is much older than the 6 or 7 thousand years than "they" say it is. Nothing could be further from the truth, of course, but how can anyone argue with this kind of logic?Neo said:
Satan represents the natural forces of "involution" where Life, via the human Soul, proceeds "downward" into form. It is here, in involution, where Life takes hold of the form and eventually identifies with that form. But a turning point occurs on this downward swing where the momentum of Life reaches it's lowest point and begins to swing on an upward arc where the form of the body becomes less and less important. This is the evolution of consciousness, the "upward" force in nature where Life begins it's return trip.
Involution, therefore, focusses on the form of matter whereas evolution focusses on the formless aspects of spirit. Left to it’s own realm, these involutionary forces are necessary and a natural part of nature. It’s when these involutionary forces begin creep up into the evolutionary side of things that real “evil” manifests. Ponder on this. This is why animals can commit murder yet still be innocent in their actions. Animals are still on tfhe involutionary side of life, whereas mankind, the 4th Kingdom of Nature, is at the turning point between the three lower kingdoms below him and the three higher kingdoms above him. These higher kingdoms have collectively been called the "Kingdom of God" in the Bible. In todays' parlance, the first and next kingdom immediately following the Human Kingdom is known as the "Kingdom of Souls". They are the same thing. The words "on Earth as it is in Heaven" predicts the manifestation this God Kingdom of Souls. It's the very next in a series of manifestations on our globe. And also, if you're not quite confused enough yet, on a higher turn of perspective, our Earth is in it's 4th round of evolution and on it's 4th globe in a series of 7. This is witnessed in nature as minerals, vegetables and animals always precede the human form. Do you see? It's all about the momentum of energy as it cycles through matter. Because of the Law of Cycles and the Law of Analogy the future can be safely predicted. Think about the whole thing as a fantastic "fractal"*, where the smaller is a refection of the larger. This is the Law of Analogy as echoed by the Bible claim that Man was created in the "image of God".
*Fractal definition: "A fractal is a never-ending pattern. Fractals are infinitely complex patterns that are self-similar across different scales. They are created by repeating a simple process over and over in an ongoing feedback loop."
I only added Krishna because of the many, many similarities between the lives and the words of The Christ and those of Sri Krishna. The very fact that religions still survive based on the words of these "Avatars" should be proof enough of some kind that They were highly advanced and well revered over time. Many religions have passed into history and are not used anymore, but the greatest ones seem to survive the tests of time.Neo said:
If you were to look even upon a holy saint you would see and hear some aspect of God: both in his eyes and and his words.This is why the old images of saints are depicted with halos of "light" around them. This is the aura of the God-light manifesting through them. You are mincing words with me here AC, I think they call this "proof texting". In the Bible, Adam Eve, Moses and Abraham, etc, are all reported to have come face to face with God. As did Peter, James and John on the mountain top, (though they had to hide their faces out of fear since they didn't (yet) have the wherewithal to experience it first hand!). Seeing God within another is a relative term based on both the one doing the viewing and the God aspect being viewed.
Also, the words of 1 John 4:12 sounds like a contradiction to the theology that Jesus is the physical manifestation of God. Could John be trying to say that you can only really see God with the inner, spiritual eye? If so then depending on the development of that spiritual eye would depend on how much one could experience the vision.
Again, it’s the personality that is a Muslim, a Christian, a Hindu and Buddhist. The Soul is much more God-aware than we as personality's are. Our goal is to first align our personal vibration (our physical, emotional and mental aspects) with the Soul and then eventually to align the Soul vibration with that of God. This is the true "a-tone-ment" where we eventually come to the awareness that all is One and One is in all. Another term for the Christ-Consciousness is the Soul-Consciousness.Neo said:
Yes, there is one Christ-Conscousess and He is placed at the "right side of God”, who is the sum-total of "our” Universe. The Christ-Consciousness is the intermediate Consciousness between Humanity and God. "Christ in you, the hope and glory" is the new mantra in Christian churches these days.Neo said:
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The only true "perdition" that exists is when the Soul becomes "trapped" into the world of life and death beyond It's time.