What Are The Building Blocks Of Our Faith ?
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Neo
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Ha, ha, ha... no I don't. I also don't have chapter and verse about the planet Pluto or the existence of the electron.
airclean33
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Hi Neo-- --As for your request, I will try an form this for you.
Neo --post---
But I am not asking Christians to follow any other way, I'm asking them to open their eyes and their hearts a bit, to become aware of the bigger picture. I believe the Christ consciousness is universal, regardless of which religious club one joins. Do you believe God to be so petty so as to judge based on one’s religious temperament? I don't. This is the Church theology that makes you believe this. As I said before, religion is a happenstance of where and when you are born. If you were born in India then you would likely be a Hindu or maybe a Sikh. If you were born with Muslim influence in your life then you’re likely to be a Muslim. You were likely born into a Christian society and therefore are a Christian. And yes I know there are converts but as a general rule this is the way it is. "What" we believe, therefore, should not be as important as “how" we believe. There are certain “golden rules” that apply to humanity. This is, I believe, the universal love that Jesus preached.
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--Airclean post--
I understand you feel, or think , that where you are born , has something to do with which God you serv. I have no such belief . The first verse in John 3: 16 , should show you why I don't believe as you do.
Jhn 3:16
For God so loved the world" that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
The world" , and all things in it , belong to GOD . He made it and all" life on it. The GOD I follow is the GOD of the Universe, the creator and designer" there of. The bigger picture goes even further than this . We are told there is, a Heaven" that we can not see, or even with all are knowledge ,and Science, Humankind has is able see it ,or find it. I have myself found many people through out this world who believe, and follow this same GOD as I am, there are many. They have meant the same Loving GOD" as I an many others have found. The loving GOD of Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, down to Jesus The Christ. There skins colour , an as they saw God . May not have been exactly" the same , but are GOD was, and is the same". There are as far as I know . No golden rule, for Humans who live hear on earth. On the contrary Humankind through out history have seen to be very happy to kill one another. For many thought, to be a good reason to them. Only the Love your Brother, is and was meant, I believe for those who would follow Christ Jesus. But even there we have not always obeyed. Even when The Lord Jesus The Christ comes back . He will rule with a rod of Iron.
Neo --post---
But I am not asking Christians to follow any other way, I'm asking them to open their eyes and their hearts a bit, to become aware of the bigger picture. I believe the Christ consciousness is universal, regardless of which religious club one joins. Do you believe God to be so petty so as to judge based on one’s religious temperament? I don't. This is the Church theology that makes you believe this. As I said before, religion is a happenstance of where and when you are born. If you were born in India then you would likely be a Hindu or maybe a Sikh. If you were born with Muslim influence in your life then you’re likely to be a Muslim. You were likely born into a Christian society and therefore are a Christian. And yes I know there are converts but as a general rule this is the way it is. "What" we believe, therefore, should not be as important as “how" we believe. There are certain “golden rules” that apply to humanity. This is, I believe, the universal love that Jesus preached.
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--Airclean post--
I understand you feel, or think , that where you are born , has something to do with which God you serv. I have no such belief . The first verse in John 3: 16 , should show you why I don't believe as you do.
Jhn 3:16
For God so loved the world" that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
The world" , and all things in it , belong to GOD . He made it and all" life on it. The GOD I follow is the GOD of the Universe, the creator and designer" there of. The bigger picture goes even further than this . We are told there is, a Heaven" that we can not see, or even with all are knowledge ,and Science, Humankind has is able see it ,or find it. I have myself found many people through out this world who believe, and follow this same GOD as I am, there are many. They have meant the same Loving GOD" as I an many others have found. The loving GOD of Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, down to Jesus The Christ. There skins colour , an as they saw God . May not have been exactly" the same , but are GOD was, and is the same". There are as far as I know . No golden rule, for Humans who live hear on earth. On the contrary Humankind through out history have seen to be very happy to kill one another. For many thought, to be a good reason to them. Only the Love your Brother, is and was meant, I believe for those who would follow Christ Jesus. But even there we have not always obeyed. Even when The Lord Jesus The Christ comes back . He will rule with a rod of Iron.
Neo
Well-Known Member
Much better format.
I do believe we are talking of the same God and the same Christ.
Although you did say "I understand you feel, or think , that where you are born , has something to do with which God you serv. I have no such belief" Can you make this a little more clear? You don't believe my birth has anything to do with the God I serve? What does this mean?
The "Golden Rule", as nicely summed by Wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule, is the rule that spans all people around the world. Practically every religion has a Golden Rule. Look down the list on the wiki site and read how they are all worded just a bit differently. The Golden Rule is related to the great of Law of Cause and Effect and is sound advice for everyone. The "love your brother" commandment by Christ is an extension of the Golden Rule. But it was not meant to love "just" your Christian brothers and sisters, i.e. love only those who've proclaimed their sole devotion to Jesus. I've heard this be the case by some Christians. Anything short of universal love for all of humanity is divisive and separates, and is not true love.
John 3:16 can have much more universal meaning than the current Christian view of it. "Believing in Him" does not just mean saying his name. You could go your whole life without ever hearing the name of Jesus, yet still be close to Him. The Hindus knew Christ in the guise of Vishnu/Krishna, the Buddhist look for the fifth Maitreya Buddha, the Muslims wait for the Imam Mahdi, the Jews for the Messiah. These are all names for the Christ, the next great Teacher who will prove to be a World Teacher for all Humanity.
The rod of iron, to me anyways, means that our obsession with the world of materialism must end, we cannot have two masters. It will only be a rod of "iron" to those who resist change.
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airclean33
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GOOD Morning Neo--You-- posted---So much here . I have to break the things your talking about.
Neo --post--
I do believe we are talking of the same God and the same Christ.
Airclean--post---
Your belief seems stronger than mine here.
--Neo--post--
Although you did say "I understand you feel, or think , that where you are born , has something to do with which God you serv. I have no such belief" Can you make this a little more clear? You don't believe my birth has anything to do with the God I serve? What does this mean?
Airclean--post--
You posted Neo that you believe , where you born and living , will make you believe as the place your in. Meaning you will have the Religion of that place , you are born and grow up in. Something I don't believe in.
--Neo--post---
The "Golden Rule", as nicely summed by Wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule, is the rule that spans all people around the world. Practically every religion has a Golden Rule. Look down the list on the wiki site and read how they are all worded just a bit differently. The Golden Rule is related to the great of Law of Cause and Effect and is sound advice for everyone. The "love your brother" commandment by Christ is an extension of the Golden Rule. But it was not meant to love "just" your Christian brothers and sisters, i.e. love only those who've proclaimed their sole devotion to Jesus. I've heard this be the case by some Christians. Anything short of universal love for all of humanity is divisive and separates, and is not true love.
--Airclean--post--
The Golden Rule ? That is a man made term right? This is what Jesus said.
Jhn 13:34A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
So do you feel by this, Jesus was talking about the world ? Or the ones He had been sent to teach. Who are called the chosen. Here are more..
Jhn 15:17This I command you, to love one another.
Rom 12:10love one another with brotherly affection; outdo one another in showing honor.
Rom 13:8Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.
1Th 4:9But concerning love of the brethren you have no need to have any one write to you, for you yourselves have been taught by God to love one another;
1Pe 1:22Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth for a sincere love of the brethren, love one another earnestly from the heart.
1Jo 3:11For this is the message which you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another,
1Jo 3:23And this is his commandment, that we should believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us.
1Jo 4:7Beloved, let us love one another; for love is of God, and he who loves is born of God and knows God.
These may help as well.
Jhn 17:24Father, I desire that they also, whom thou hast given me, may be with me where I am, to behold my glory which thou hast given me in thy love for me before the foundation of the world.
Jas 2:5Listen, my beloved brethren. Has not God chosen those who are poor in the world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which he has promised to those who love him?
--Neo--post---
John 3:16 can have much more universal meaning than the current Christian view of it. "Believing in Him" does not just mean saying his name. You could go your whole life without ever hearing the name of Jesus, yet still be close to Him.
Airclean--post--
---John 3--- Is very easy to understand GOD" Neo. GOD made it very explicit , so we would not get it mixed up. At least this is how I read it. Why would you want to mix it up? Here once more you bring in other beliefs an faiths. What others wish to believe, is really up to them Neo. If they won't believe GOD The Father" . Why would they believe me?
--Neo--post---
The Hindus knew Christ in the guise of Vishnu/Krishna, the Buddhist look for the fifth Maitreya Buddha, the Muslims wait for the Imam Mahdi, the Jews for the Messiah. These are all names for the Christ, the next great Teacher who will prove to be a World Teacher for all Humanity.
--Airclean--post
I know none of these others who claim to be God. Other than the Jewish belief in The Messiah . Is the same as a Christian , they had there hearts hardened by GOD . The first time for our sake . Because they didn't accept Jesus The Christ it opened the door for are salvation through Him who DIED on the Cross for all, who will accept Him . Did those other men who say they were Christ die on The Cross , an were risen again in the flesh by GOD.? Did they live there Lives with no sin? This then would make the Bible of GOD wrong. As it said no human, had ever lived there lives' with out sin. This as you see Neo, this can get very deep. Our Lord will come this time , not as a Lamb . But a KING of Kings , The Lord , of Lords. He will come as Leader of Heavens Armies. Rev19:
---Neo--post---
The rod of iron, to me anyways, means that our obsession with the world of materialism must end, we cannot have two masters. It will only be a rod of "iron" to those who resist change.
--Airclean--post-- When The Lord Jesus Christ , come's through the sky . The world as it is today will change, for ever. It will have become GODS Kingdom. The Laws will be GODS not mans . To break any of them could mean the death of a human, in flesh.
Neo --post--
I do believe we are talking of the same God and the same Christ.
Airclean--post---
Your belief seems stronger than mine here.
--Neo--post--
Although you did say "I understand you feel, or think , that where you are born , has something to do with which God you serv. I have no such belief" Can you make this a little more clear? You don't believe my birth has anything to do with the God I serve? What does this mean?
Airclean--post--
You posted Neo that you believe , where you born and living , will make you believe as the place your in. Meaning you will have the Religion of that place , you are born and grow up in. Something I don't believe in.
--Neo--post---
The "Golden Rule", as nicely summed by Wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule, is the rule that spans all people around the world. Practically every religion has a Golden Rule. Look down the list on the wiki site and read how they are all worded just a bit differently. The Golden Rule is related to the great of Law of Cause and Effect and is sound advice for everyone. The "love your brother" commandment by Christ is an extension of the Golden Rule. But it was not meant to love "just" your Christian brothers and sisters, i.e. love only those who've proclaimed their sole devotion to Jesus. I've heard this be the case by some Christians. Anything short of universal love for all of humanity is divisive and separates, and is not true love.
--Airclean--post--
The Golden Rule ? That is a man made term right? This is what Jesus said.
Jhn 13:34A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
So do you feel by this, Jesus was talking about the world ? Or the ones He had been sent to teach. Who are called the chosen. Here are more..
Jhn 15:17This I command you, to love one another.
These may help as well.
Jhn 17:24Father, I desire that they also, whom thou hast given me, may be with me where I am, to behold my glory which thou hast given me in thy love for me before the foundation of the world.
--Neo--post---
John 3:16 can have much more universal meaning than the current Christian view of it. "Believing in Him" does not just mean saying his name. You could go your whole life without ever hearing the name of Jesus, yet still be close to Him.
Airclean--post--
---John 3--- Is very easy to understand GOD" Neo. GOD made it very explicit , so we would not get it mixed up. At least this is how I read it. Why would you want to mix it up? Here once more you bring in other beliefs an faiths. What others wish to believe, is really up to them Neo. If they won't believe GOD The Father" . Why would they believe me?
--Neo--post---
The Hindus knew Christ in the guise of Vishnu/Krishna, the Buddhist look for the fifth Maitreya Buddha, the Muslims wait for the Imam Mahdi, the Jews for the Messiah. These are all names for the Christ, the next great Teacher who will prove to be a World Teacher for all Humanity.
--Airclean--post
I know none of these others who claim to be God. Other than the Jewish belief in The Messiah . Is the same as a Christian , they had there hearts hardened by GOD . The first time for our sake . Because they didn't accept Jesus The Christ it opened the door for are salvation through Him who DIED on the Cross for all, who will accept Him . Did those other men who say they were Christ die on The Cross , an were risen again in the flesh by GOD.? Did they live there Lives with no sin? This then would make the Bible of GOD wrong. As it said no human, had ever lived there lives' with out sin. This as you see Neo, this can get very deep. Our Lord will come this time , not as a Lamb . But a KING of Kings , The Lord , of Lords. He will come as Leader of Heavens Armies. Rev19:
---Neo--post---
The rod of iron, to me anyways, means that our obsession with the world of materialism must end, we cannot have two masters. It will only be a rod of "iron" to those who resist change.
--Airclean--post-- When The Lord Jesus Christ , come's through the sky . The world as it is today will change, for ever. It will have become GODS Kingdom. The Laws will be GODS not mans . To break any of them could mean the death of a human, in flesh.
Neo
Well-Known Member
You don't believe the chances of being a Hindu are much greater if you are born into a Hindu family and a Hindu society??? I thought you were a traveller of the world? This is not only obvious but is something that can easily be proven by the fact that there are more Hindus, for instance, in a Hindu society than there are Christians. Unless, of course, you believe that God will alway call "His" children to be Christians and the rest, well I guess the rest can all go to hell, like they were destined to. {wink, wink}. If this is the case then why the whole charade? Why have we been going through thousands of years of suffering if God is only going to call back those "elect" in the end anyways? Theology has never been able to answer this question, in my opinion.--Neo--post-- said:
--Neo--post--- said:The "Golden Rule", as nicely summed by Wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule, is the rule that spans all people around the world. Practically every religion has a Golden Rule. Look down the list on the wiki site and read how they are all worded just a bit differently. The Golden Rule is related to the great of Law of Cause and Effect and is sound advice for everyone. The "love your brother" commandment by Christ is an extension of the Golden Rule. But it was not meant to love "just" your Christian brothers and sisters, i.e. love only those who've proclaimed their sole devotion to Jesus. I've heard this be the case by some Christians. Anything short of universal love for all of humanity is divisive and separates, and is not true love.
--Airclean--post--
The Golden Rule ? That is a man made term right? This is what Jesus said.
Jhn 13:34A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
So do you feel by this, Jesus was talking about the world ? Or the ones He had been sent to teach. Who are called the chosen. Here are more..
Jhn 15:17This I command you, to love one another.
Rom 12:10love one another with brotherly affection; outdo one another in showing honor.
Rom 13:8Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.
1Th 4:9But concerning love of the brethren you have no need to have any one write to you, for you yourselves have been taught by God to love one another;
1Pe 1:22Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth for a sincere love of the brethren, love one another earnestly from the heart.
1Jo 3:11For this is the message which you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another,
1Jo 3:23And this is his commandment, that we should believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us.
1Jo 4:7Beloved, let us love one another; for love is of God, and he who loves is born of God and knows God.
These may help as well.
Jhn 17:24Father, I desire that they also, whom thou hast given me, may be with me where I am, to behold my glory which thou hast given me in thy love for me before the foundation of the world.
Jas 2:5Listen, my beloved brethren. Has not God chosen those who are poor in the world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which he has promised to those who love him?
You asked if the The Golden Rule is a man made term? You tell me:
"Love your neighbor as yourself"
- Leviticus 9-18
"Therefore whatever you desire for men to do to you, you
shall also do to them; for this is the law and the prophets"
- Matthew 7-12
"Do to others what you would want them to do to you"
- Luke 6-31
"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself"
- Galatians 5-14
I don't want to mix it up, I'm just saying that perhaps how "you" read the Bible is not the only possible way of reading it. And where did you possibly get the idea that "they" (believers in other religions), "won't believe GOD The Father". A rose is a rose no matter what you call it.--Neo--post--- said:
You have this vision of God as looking for, nay... "demanding" adoration and allegiance and nothing else, otherwise others will be cast into eternal hell for simply not saying the word 'Jesus'. Nice... where do I sign up? {wink}
I ask you once again: Do you think God is so petty that we will be judged on "what" religion we belong to, e.g. what club we join, instead of "how" we conduct our lives?
--Neo--post--- said:
The Christ stands on the shoulders of the great Avatars that came before Him. He is the next, in a series of great sons of men who knew Themselves also to be Sons of God. I believe that the Christ Himself, however, is the supreme Lord and the Head of the Spiritual Hierarchy, meaning He is the Master of Masters. And I believe that 2,000 years ago was not the first time we witnessed His presence. I do believe we are talking of the same God and the same Christ.
Christ also said that he would reappear "as a thief in the night"? Could it not be the case that He has "stolen" into this world already without the masses of people knowing about it yet?---Neo--post--- said:
airclean33
Well-Known Member
Hi Neo--I believe you may have made a mistake here---
"Love your neighbor as yourself"
- Leviticus 9-18--You posted this chapter and verse.
--Neo posted--
The Christ stands on the shoulders of the great Avatars that came before Him. He is the next, in a series of great sons of men who knew Themselves also to be Sons of God. I believe that the Christ Himself, however, is the supreme Lord and the Head of the Spiritual Hierarchy, meaning He is the Master of Masters. And I believe that 2,000 years ago was not the first time we witnessed His presence. I do believe we are talking of the same God and the same Christ.
--Airclean--posted--
Jesus The Christ was made by GOD The Father. The rest of us were made by Jesus The Christ. The only Begotten Son of GOD The Father.. As for being here before , I can agree . As I believe He was The Great I Am . That the chosen Israel, knew as GOD". John: 1--11--
I believe that those who don't have The Blood of Jesus The Christ ,to cover there sins. May well indeed be lost from what GODS Word says. If God has another plan , that's ok with me . For I am not saved by works or deeds. But by faith in GOD and His GRACE.
--Neo--posted--
I ask you once again: Do you think God is so petty that we will be judged on "what" religion we belong to, e.g. what club we join, instead of "how" we conduct our lives?
--Airclean--Post---We are saved through no works of our self. It is a Gift of GOD . Though Faith in Jesus The Christ, and by Grace of GOD. Are we saved. We All Had Our chance not to sin . We all did though , that is but one". His Name is Jesus The Christ. If you wish to seek another way . You may do so. In death you will be Judged by what you did in life. If you have one sin . The word of GOD says you didn't make it. I shell not rejoice , to hear . I have lost a Brother .
"Love your neighbor as yourself"
- Leviticus 9-18--You posted this chapter and verse.
--Neo posted--
The Christ stands on the shoulders of the great Avatars that came before Him. He is the next, in a series of great sons of men who knew Themselves also to be Sons of God. I believe that the Christ Himself, however, is the supreme Lord and the Head of the Spiritual Hierarchy, meaning He is the Master of Masters. And I believe that 2,000 years ago was not the first time we witnessed His presence. I do believe we are talking of the same God and the same Christ.
--Airclean--posted--
Jesus The Christ was made by GOD The Father. The rest of us were made by Jesus The Christ. The only Begotten Son of GOD The Father.. As for being here before , I can agree . As I believe He was The Great I Am . That the chosen Israel, knew as GOD". John: 1--11--
I believe that those who don't have The Blood of Jesus The Christ ,to cover there sins. May well indeed be lost from what GODS Word says. If God has another plan , that's ok with me . For I am not saved by works or deeds. But by faith in GOD and His GRACE.
--Neo--posted--
I ask you once again: Do you think God is so petty that we will be judged on "what" religion we belong to, e.g. what club we join, instead of "how" we conduct our lives?
--Airclean--Post---We are saved through no works of our self. It is a Gift of GOD . Though Faith in Jesus The Christ, and by Grace of GOD. Are we saved. We All Had Our chance not to sin . We all did though , that is but one". His Name is Jesus The Christ. If you wish to seek another way . You may do so. In death you will be Judged by what you did in life. If you have one sin . The word of GOD says you didn't make it. I shell not rejoice , to hear . I have lost a Brother .
Hi @airclean33 --I believe you may have made a mistake here---
The Son of God was not made --- Rather - He has always existed ---
The Son of God was not made --- Rather - He has always existed ---
airclean33
Well-Known Member
--Hi Jae -- Jesus The Christ is The Alpha and Omega.. The beginning, and The end. He is The only Begotten Son of GOD. If you can find more on what you posted Jae . Let me know.
"Before time itself was measured, the Voice was speaking. The Voice was and is God. This celestial Word remained ever present with the Creator;" - John 1:1-2 (VOICE).
chansen
Had a point all along
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Neo
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So if one is born into a Hindu family and community then he or she cannot be saved unless they have faith in Jesus and are graced by God? Which means to say, on the other hand, that if one does has faith in Jesus and has been graced by God then they could still be the biggest butt-head in the world 'cause they have Jesus and God in their back pocket, so to speak. This whole "faith only" thing doesn't fly with me, even with the slightest scrutiny.
Faith is the first step upon the way. Eventually you have to make the choice, pick up the cross, and walk the path of salvation. Eventually you have to do something with that faith.James 2 said:
Yes, one could say that salvation is a "gift of God", but we have to make the effort to accept that gift. And we make that effort, not by joining the right club, but by feeding the mind with honest thoughts, the spirit with sincere intentions, and the body with good food and most importantly, with detachment from those things that are past their due date, which includes theologies that have have not kept up with the times. Religions are not meant to last forever, they are continuously superseded by the next best thing that represents the awareness of the Soul.
If it's all "fait accompli", which means the choice has already been made for us, then why all the instructions to "love one another" and "not to keep your light under a bushel", etc, etc?. These instructions are there so we can act on them, not just to increase our faith in them. What kind of children would we have if we did everything for them just because they had faith in us to do so? It's not any different between humanity and God. We are expected to pick up the cross of self sacrifice and we are expected become active in our service to the plan. Faith without works is dead faith, as far as I can see.
Faith without works is the same scape goat mentality that one has when they blame the devil on everything bad that happens. It's time we, as a human race, woke up and took responsibility for our own actions. Simply saying that you have faith in Jesus and God and therefore your sins will be magically transgressed means nothing if you have no intention of changing your ways. It's a cop out.
*chuckle* That Douglas Adams - he sure could write humorously when he wanted to.
Imagine of all things - "ape-descended life-forms."
Love how you say I made a "disappointing troll attempt" when actually it was you who was being the troll by posting that which you did on this thread.
Sweet. Nothing makes me happier. Have a good night chansen. Have a good night.