WE. What in earth is going on?

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Graeme Decarie

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This should cause us to think about why we are so corrupt and evil.
Our ancestral apes and almost all wild animals to this day are not evil. It's us - though perhaps not all or even most of us.
Gorillas now - as always - do not organize themselves to kill other animals. There were and are no gorilla armies. Lions and Tigers kill - but just for food - not for conquest or glory. (And for that matter we, too, kill for food.)
But our human ancestors were quite different. Very early, they organized themselves to lead, recruit, organize and engage in mass murder. No other animal does that. The theory is that our ancestors had larger brains than the creatures around them. Some - probably not all, but some - used the larger brains to organize others to follow them and, in an organized way, to murder other creatures not just for food but as soldiers obeying their organizers, and killing in a methodical way, using this power to set up leadership and obedience and service.
Those who became leaders used their powers to get others to fight their wars and to shower them with plunder.
And that gave rise some thousands of years ago to the people who became kings and emperors.

These leaders were not necessarily more intelligent than other people. (any examination of the history of kings and emperors will prove that.) But they were the lucky ones who stumbled on getting others to kill for them. Over the years, they sold the story that the soldiers were fighting for the king (as if that were honourable) or fighting for their country - a brainless concept since they usually weren't fighting for any such things.

For king and country - yeah - bulls**t. Almost all wars in history have been fought to benefit -in various periods - kings, emperors and, in our time, super-rich capitalists.

None of this benefitted the bulk of the population. In the days of British Empire, for example, the children of most people lived in poverty, filth, hunger and worked as 25 hour a day labour from the age of five or six. As for the soldiers and sailors who built the empire, they were simply dumped on the streets when they got too old to be useful.

The enlargement of the human brain was the creation of evil. Evil had not been known in the world of wild animals.We invented it.

Forget the glory stories about war. War is, simply, evil. Wars are rarely about good struggling against evil. There was nothing good about the Indian wars of the U.S. These were wars to steal the land of the native peoples. The British, French, Belgian, American wars have all been fought to enrich the already super rich. (That, incidentally, was true of both world wars. They were, in fact, really one war. Both sides fought to benefit their capitalists against capitalists on the other side. (Forget the drivel about our concern for Jews. Canada, Britain and the U.S. were quite as anti-semitic as Germany. The whole creation of Israel was to get rid of our Jews.)

The U.S. entered WW2 because American capitalists saw their chance to displace the British, Japanese and other empires. And it worked.

And in our two thousand years of Christianity we, in our churches, have almost invariably supported the side of evil and, commonly, so has the other side.

Evil is something we humans created many thousands of years ago. And for the last 2,000 of those years, Christians have been on the side of evil.

Forget the drivel about good guys and bad guys in war. Wars are rarely caused by conflicts between good and bad. Almost always, they are about evil and evil. And our Christian churches, like the churches of other faiths, are almost always on the side of evil.
 

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i agree Mendalla that unless something comes up we will move on to Trudeau and his next misstep. He Certainly is very adept at causing trouble for himself. But there are now three investigations going on about this. That seems to imply that there is info that authorities have that we don’t

i think this could be the end of WE Certainly they have lost their sponsors, the school boards have pulled back and I think hard looks are being taken both with their lobbying with out permission, their easy access to ministers and the PM, and just something fishy about the whole thing. $45 million in real estate, the multi armed monstrosity, the questionable practice of rich kids going to save Africa.........

I do think it possible that this could take Trudeau down. Then honestly we could get a liberal PM who is less of a pretty face and more of an idea man. I think Freeland would get electEd in a jiffy aLthough I don’t like all her policy ideas she is at least a smart person. Or we could get Carney. Not sure how he would be as a PM but at least he isn’t stupid.
 

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Not sure how he would be as a PM but at least he isn’t stupid.

I would prefer to see him take a seat and serve in Cabinet first. While a lot of his experience at BoC and BoE will help, it is still nothing like politics. We have seen some good people get ground down pretty quickly when they try their hand at politics. That said, I would love to see him take a shot, just think he should get some experience in the trenches before shooting for the top job. Then again, Mulroney went pretty much straight from business to running for the leadership and ended up with back-to-back majorities so who knows.
 

Graeme Decarie

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To pick any liberal or conservative is foolish. Both parties are and always have been bought by the very wealthy. That's why they win elections. They get huge gifts from the super rich. The same is true in the U.S. George Washington was no lover of the common man. (In fact, he had nothing but contempt for the poor.). ALL Ameican governments have been owned by the super rich.
I don't know how we can go on deluding ourselves about this. In Britain, the Conservatives always have the big money in an election time.
How can we go on kidding ourselves about this? This isn't even a secret. The CCF and the NDP almost always lose -because they don't get the big money.

Get real. This is how our governments work.
 

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To pick any liberal or conservative is foolish. Both parties are and always have been bought by the very wealthy. That's why they win elections. They get huge gifts from the super rich. The same is true in the U.S. George Washington was no lover of the common man. (In fact, he had nothing but contempt for the poor.). ALL Ameican governments have been owned by the super rich.
I don't know how we can go on deluding ourselves about this. In Britain, the Conservatives always have the big money in an election time.
How can we go on kidding ourselves about this? This isn't even a secret. The CCF and the NDP almost always lose -because they don't get the big money.

Get real. This is how our governments work.
Don't you need at least $100,000 just to register?
 

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Incidentally, that corruption also extends to the news media.Conrad Black was the worst. But virtually all our daily news is owned by the super-rich. And they use their newspapers to lie. That includes even the New York Times. They lie about the extent of killing in the middle east. When the CIA spent some 15 years murdering clergy in Guatmala, not a single news source in North America even mentioned it. Even the CBC suffers from the constant interference of those who want to keep us ignorant of what's going on. That's why some (mostly retired) staffers set up a web site called rabble.ca. I knew some of them. I worked with them. And I saw the CBC playing games with us.
 

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to waterfall: if you're a good boy it's no problem to get 100,000.

I was stunned by one of the Conservative candidates whose main issue seemed to be that government should not have the right to tell people to wear masks.
This, apparently, was the subject of a major speech of his campaign.

We are heading, as usual, into an election in which we are in complete ignorance of the issues. It's frightening. The Canadian and American people have no idea what the issues are - and it seems they don't want to know. That's why we're looking at a collapse of the American nation no matter who wins the election. And I would not risk any money on the Canadian nation to exist 20 or so years from now.

In New Brunswick, the province is owned by the Irvings, a family as vicious and dishonest as they come. They own (and control) All the newspapers of that province. They own both the Liberals and Conservatives. They get millions, often billions, every year as gifts from the government. They pay close to nothing in taxes of any sort. They are unspeakably greedy. They have fatally polluted the air of the whole province as they spray its forests. They horribly pollute the air of their major city. And it's a safe bet that the voters of New Brunswick will elect the Liberals or the Conservatives again. (when the province's chief medical officer warned about the dangers of their spraying poison chemicals all over the province, the Irvings got the government to fire her. Case dismissed.)

Evil is the natural condition of humanity. And we won't be of any help with the church's wimpy role in all this. (For over a hundred years, the U.S. wealthy have been murdering and plundering all over Latin America. And the prime minister of Canada is a major player (and always has been) in this. Ever heard a sermon on this? We helped the U.S. to quite illegally invade Afghanistan and murder it's people. We did the same in North Korea. We sent troops and police as favours to the U.S. to kill and to overthrow democracy in Haiti. We are helping the U.S. in Syria so it can steal their oil. We are hired killers for the U.S. super-rich.
Ever heard a sermon on this?
 

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to waterfall: if you're a good boy it's no problem to get 100,000.

I was stunned by one of the Conservative candidates whose main issue seemed to be that government should not have the right to tell people to wear masks.
This, apparently, was the subject of a major speech of his campaign.

We are heading, as usual, into an election in which we are in complete ignorance of the issues. It's frightening. The Canadian and American people have no idea what the issues are - and it seems they don't want to know. That's why we're looking at a collapse of the American nation no matter who wins the election. And I would not risk any money on the Canadian nation to exist 20 or so years from now.

In New Brunswick, the province is owned by the Irvings, a family as vicious and dishonest as they come. They own (and control) All the newspapers of that province. They own both the Liberals and Conservatives. They get millions, often billions, every year as gifts from the government. They pay close to nothing in taxes of any sort. They are unspeakably greedy. They have fatally polluted the air of the whole province as they spray its forests. They horribly pollute the air of their major city. And it's a safe bet that the voters of New Brunswick will elect the Liberals or the Conservatives again. (when the province's chief medical officer warned about the dangers of their spraying poison chemicals all over the province, the Irvings got the government to fire her. Case dismissed.)

Evil is the natural condition of humanity. And we won't be of any help with the church's wimpy role in all this. (For over a hundred years, the U.S. wealthy have been murdering and plundering all over Latin America. And the prime minister of Canada is a major player (and always has been) in this. Ever heard a sermon on this? We helped the U.S. to quite illegally invade Afghanistan and murder it's people. We did the same in North Korea. We sent troops and police as favours to the U.S. to kill and to overthrow democracy in Haiti. We are helping the U.S. in Syria so it can steal their oil. We are hired killers for the U.S. super-rich.
Ever heard a sermon on this?

Slick as an olive-greased hand in policos ... like a weasel disguised as Ermin? White or not ... it is still a weasel!

As far as the concern that we don;t wish to know ... is knowledge contrary to early biblical teaching about limbus, Limbo and other limbic branches?

Almost poetic as a tree full of the bird ...
 

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Yesterday it was reported that the House of Commons lawyer has stepped up and said the government can’t redact the notes about WE. A parliamentary committee has the constitutional power to see the facts. And because it was only discussed once at cabinet and then approved, according to his testimony, they can’t claim cabinet priviledge.
so it gets odder and odder. What are they hiding in all the pages completely blacked out? Who is being protected? Why?

it certainly explains the sudden cancellation of parliament. This letter was sent the day before. Ultimately Trudeau can’t hide this info but with no parliament he can slow it down
 

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Fair enough, but at this point nothing happens until Parliament is recalled and the throne speech is voted on. If that doesn't trigger an election, then the committee thing starts again. If an election happens, then WE ceases to be a committee issue and becomes an election issue. Which is really where it is going to be decided in the end, and probably should be. Committee hearings on something like this tend to be more about political theater than getting to the truth these days. Really, the ethics commissioner needs to have a bigger budget and the ability to engage independent investigators with the power to hold hearings and subpoena witnesses. That would be more likely to get us some kind of objective process than a bunch of politicians looking to make hay out of the process.
 

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Mendaalla said --- Committee hearings on something like this tend to be more about political theater than getting to the truth these days. Really,

Theatrics in politics ... really, drama works! Thus all things drift towards dah Ramah ... Ur designated in the wall ... with the red Lion ...

Thus the stories go on with the truth buried within it as a plot ... sometimes referred to as conspiracy!

Pay close attention to all stories ... they add up and may accrue ... as accrued totals ... yet still warped!
 

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TheNDP is now calling for Chagger’s resignation Over lying to two parliamentary committees about WE Specifically that she did not discuss the volunteer program with them at all

the coverup is always worse than the crime. in this case it appears a pretty cost relationship between WE and it’s octopus of entities and many liberal government officials.
 

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TheNDP is now calling for Chagger’s resignation Over lying to two parliamentary committees about WE Specifically that she did not discuss the volunteer program with them at all

the coverup is always worse than the crime. in this case it appears a pretty cost relationship between WE and it’s octopus of entities and many liberal government officials.

Few will admit that they've made mistakes ... it does in their impression that they are powerfully faultless. need further examples of subjective etude?

Always assume your wrong until you have adequate evidence of reciprocal nature ... then the cup can turn and catch what's coming ... thus the nitche!
 

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And this was inevitable

the federal language commissioner has been asked to investigate how WE won and government contract without the ability to deliver in both official languages

i expect they should also investigate the previous $5 million in government work too
 

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And this was inevitable

the federal language commissioner has been asked to investigate how WE won and government contract without the ability to deliver in both official languages

i expect they should also investigate the previous $5 million in government work too

Another rush in probe?
 

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What's interesting is that all this hasn't had the effect of drastically lowering the Libs in the polls. They are still slightly higher than he Cons. Mr. O'Toole is going to need to work his butt off to prove he's not just another suit.
 

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What's interesting is that all this hasn't had the effect of drastically lowering the Libs in the polls. They are still slightly higher than he Cons. Mr. O'Toole is going to need to work his butt off to prove he's not just another suit.

Which is what I expected all along. Scandals don't generally decide elections. They may have an influence, but as long as the party facing the scandal manages the communications well, it need not be a fatal blow.
 
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