Vaping - a healthier option to smoking?

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ChemGal said:
Exactly, one cannot just drink and do whatever they like. There are withdrawal symptoms from alcohol and they can be much more severe than those from nicotine.
I'm just expecting similar safeguards in place from smoking/vaping but apparently that makes me holier than thou, not wanting to have an attack because I go to a restaurant or something.

Alcohol can also be vapourized and consumed that way. I don't think that should be done in a general public area either. If people want to set up indoor areas specifically for smoking/vaping, I'm ok with that.
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But you don't know it's unsafe - many stand behind its safety - you're assuming it is unsafe because it's a "smoking substitute", right? And that alone is psychologically off-putting to non-smokers.

I am sorry for the holier than thou comment. If Vancouver was named "no fun city", I am in double no fun city at the moment, for a few days - a town where there are "no this no that" signs all over the place. It'll be like Singapore soon enough. It's the kind of town where if a house goes up that doesn't exactly fit the style of the neighbourhood, everyone is in a tizzy and it makes front page news. ;) and I am an on again off again smoker and it is REALLY hard to quit. I chew the gum now but still crave smoking all the time. I can quit for a year and still crave it all the time. Which means I'm probably psychologically addicted forever. Sad but true. You just get more and more used to telling yourself "not right now" and going another day, week, month, but still miss it. A vaporizer would probably work for me. I tried my husband's e-cig way back and thought so but never bought my own.
 
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Kimmio said:
But you don't know it's unsafe - many stand behind its safety - you're assuming it is unsafe because it's a "smoking substitute", right? And that alone is psychologically off-putting to non-smokers.

I am sorry for the holier than thou comment. If Vancouver was named "no fun city", I am in double no fun city at the moment, for a few days - a town where there are "no this no that" signs all over the place. It'll be like Singapore soon enough. It's the kind of town where if a house goes up that doesn't exactly fit the style of the neighbourhood, everyone is in a tizzy and it makes front page news. ;) and I am an on again off again smoker and it is REALLY hard to quit. I chew the gum now but still crave smoking all the time. I can quit for a year and still crave it all the time. Which means I'm probably psychologically addicted forever. Sad but true. You just get more and more used to telling yourself "not right now" and going another day, week, month, but still miss it. A vaporizer would probably work for me. I tried my husband's e-cig way back and thought so but never bought my own.
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While there isn't a large amount of evidence, there have been studies that show reduced lung function after vaping. I also provided a link that shows a decrease in air quality. Some of the ingredients are known to be irritants and while not common, there are those who are allergic to one of the major ingredients.
 
@Kimmio I do appreciate your apology. I can understand making certain comments when I'm not in a great mood.
 
Kimmio said:
But you don't know it's unsafe - many stand behind its safety - you're assuming it is unsafe because it's a "smoking substitute", right? And that alone is psychologically off-putting to non-smokers.

I am sorry for the holier than thou comment. If Vancouver was named "no fun city", I am in double no fun city at the moment, for a few days - a town where there are "no this no that" signs all over the place. It'll be like Singapore soon enough. It's the kind of town where if a house goes up that doesn't exactly fit the style of the neighbourhood, everyone is in a tizzy and it makes front page news. ;) and I am an on again off again smoker and it is REALLY hard to quit. I chew the gum now but still crave smoking all the time. I can quit for a year and still crave it all the time. Which means I'm probably psychologically addicted forever. Sad but true. You just get more and more used to telling yourself "not right now" and going another day, week, month, but still miss it. A vaporizer would probably work for me. I tried my husband's e-cig way back and thought so but never bought my own.
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It's not actually true that you will always crave it. I was a very heavy smoker (1 1/2 packs/day) for 35 years, from age 14 to 49). The way I became a non-smoker was through hypnosis, and I swear by it. I know what those cravings are like - they are awful, but I have never had one since I stopped being a smoker.
 
True, bette. I don't crave it unless I am in certain, very specific conditions, which thankfully are not present that often as smoking is banned in so many places.
 
BetteTheRed said:
It's not actually true that you will always crave it. I was a very heavy smoker (1 1/2 packs/day) for 35 years, from age 14 to 49). The way I became a non-smoker was through hypnosis, and I swear by it. I know what those cravings are like - they are awful, but I have never had one since I stopped being a smoker.
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I guess not everyone is psychologically addicted as strongly. I have quit intermittently, up to a year (I figure anytime without it is something) and I know that as soon as I have one I would be right back to smoking and have to start all over. Whereas, my friend's mom has had an after dinner cigarette for decades - she can't stop that one - but it's only one, so, she keeps doing it. She is psychologically more than physically addicted probably. But me having one creeps up to half a pack in no time. I tried smoking in my teens, only smoked occassionally. In my 20s it was more often - and I always told myself I could quit anytime until I really tried to.

But, yeah, for me I still crave it for a long time after quitting or else I would not have started again so many times. Another friend quit completely, cold turkey, when she found out she was pregnant - 15+ years ago. She told me she still has cravings.

I always liked the smell of cigarette smoke - especially wafting down the hallway with the smell of fresh morning coffee, at my grandparents' house. Call me weird. There must be something connected to that "homey" memory, I'm thinking. I don't like being in a room full of smokers though - at a party where everyone is smoking (although it's been a very long time, since the late 90s probably, since that was the case).
 
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Have you ever tried medical hypnosis to become a non-smoker? I'm seriously a fan of this; I had quit a few times, as well; most of my friends were amazed when I actually did it, because I was such an addicted-type smoker (I have an addictive personality; tobacco is/was not my only problem...). The woman who led the hypnosis session that cured my tobacco addiction has since retired, but was passionate about her cause, as she'd lost her mother and two siblings to lung cancer. She travelled all over Ontario putting on cheap seminars in cheap motel suites, but it worked, and I will always be thankful. I'm actually moderately grossed out by the smell now. Can't imagine ever thinking of picking it up again.

My Mom was one of those little old ladies, even though her last years were in a nursing home, largely as a result of a stroke (at least in part caused by smoking). In her last few years, she'd only get a smoke or two a week, if she was lucky, and someone showed up with cigarettes and a lighter and took her outside.
 
I personally think, until there is scientific proof that the second hand vapour etc from e-cigs and vapid get isn't harmful that they should be under the same regulations as cigarettes. Why put people (those who would be exposed second hand) at risk when all of the risks aren't know yet? Isn't better safe than sorry? If you can prove that the second hand vapour etc is safe for me to be breathing then yes by all means lift those restrictions
 
In my experience, by about the third month of quitting I am grossed out by the smell a little but that grossed outness gives way to cravings again. "They" say it goes in threes - 3 hours, 3 days, 3 months, 3 years. I have tried to quit several times in the past ten years - up to a year but never longer. Sadly. And I get up to about 1/2 pack. I am a bit ashamed but like I said any attempt at quitting is time not smoking. People are sometimes surprised and tell me I don't look like a smoker - keep my teeth pretty clean and white - and I'm conscientious about how I smell so I air myself out when I smoke - outside. It's probably faintly there at times but not a barrage because I am super self conscious and really sometimes feel like a bad person! When I smoke I have the gum, for my breath, mints, the hand sanitizer, walking into the breeze around the block before I go back in with others. I am always relieved to find one or two other smokers in a workplace situation! I would try hypnosis. I find the nicotine gum works pretty well but it takes a few minutes to kick in. If I could have a stress free life I wouldn't smoke;) that's always my excuse.

What I do miss is the social aspect. Outside at coffee shops it's easy to make friends with other smokers - the outcasts stick together I guess! Lol. But now you can't smoke on sidewalkpatios at Starbucks or wherever - well people still do sneak one but then they risk hefty fines. Or they will back up a few feet from the table have a smoke and come back to the table - I can think of a spot right at a busy intersection where this occurs - and the only people doing this in all kinds of weather and even using those tables are the smokers - so the patio bans are kind of stupid but nevermind.
 
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I find it kinda amazing how much I can smell it, even when I'm congested. Chemguy's parents both smoke, although they have never done it inside their home. After staying there a few days I can smell the smoke on both my worn clothes (stronger) and unworn clothes. Chemguy and I had our clean clothes in a separate suitcase.

I would hope vaping wouldn't linger like that. I really haven't been around those who do it to know though. It's one of those things where I hear about it, but don't see it. I probably don't get close enough to see what's in someone's hand though!
 
ChemGal said:
I find it kinda amazing how much I can smell it, even when I'm congested. Chemguy's parents both smoke, although they have never done it inside their home. After staying there a few days I can smell the smoke on both my worn clothes (stronger) and unworn clothes. Chemguy and I had our clean clothes in a separate suitcase.

I would hope vaping wouldn't linger like that. I really haven't been around those who do it to know though. It's one of those things where I hear about it, but don't see it. I probably don't get close enough to see what's in someone's hand though!
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You can tell it's an e-cig at a distance. They look closer to a Cuban cigar sized black (usually) digital device someone is putting in their mouth. Or a small box with a cigarillo mouthpiece sticking out of the end - and usually some sort of light on them that lights up, if I recall, when someone takes a puff off of it. They definitely look different from tobacco products. More like somebody is putting a small flashlight in their mouth.
 
Vaping really only smells like steam and does not linger and does not accumulate on clothes or in hair like smoke. Smoke smells burnt, like smoke - like campfire or fireplace, too. If you sit near it, clothes will pick it up eventually, however faintly but vaping does not pick up on clothes, I swear. I don't like smoke smell on my clothes or in my hair - that's totally different from a waft of actual cigarette smoke driving in the air mixed with coffee (that's a great smell! So is pipe tobacco) and I try not to smell like it but I am sure it is faintly there sometimes even when I try to not smell like it.

Cigar and pipe tobacco smell good. And I think a waft of cigarette smoke with coffee aroma is a great smell. Just like some people like the smell of gasoline or jiffy markers, I like that smell. I love the smell of those old fashioned shops that sell cigars and pipe tobacco - there are not many around but they smell great to me. Not like stale smoke on clothes. Don't like that.
 
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A friend of my middle son tried to get him interested in vaping. My son opted not to start - due to financial reasons. We've been blessed in that way - he has also opted not to get involved in smoking, drugs, and over-drinking for financial reasons. (Largely in all these things for financial reasons - he does understand that there are also health risks). The only downside is that he's not much interested in girls for financial reasons.
 
The government expects to make approximately $3.3-billion in additional revenue from the tobacco tax hikes between now and the 2018-19 fiscal year (including $685-million in the 2014-15 fiscal year starting April 1).... perhaps some gratitude to the smokers is in order ... I am a smoker ... I do not go to the doctor unless it is an absolute emergency ... my brother that recently died was a smoker ... he died at home not in hospital ... are smokers paying for non-smokers health care?
 
Scrap that ... the growing government debt problem will probably eat the tobacco tax hikes what with the increases in cost of paying all the interest on that debt ... "Government spending on debt servicing costs results in less revenue available for important priorities such as tax relief and spending on public programs like health care, education and social services."
 
Is addiction a problem for people at the end of life enigma?

Like: "What do I do now?" However is it a problem for the other?

Who in success of accomplishing what they desire gives a chit? So it goes in an emotional crank ...
 
All stoics should be mounted on sharpened sticks and roasted ... in our climate they would finally be warm ... sort of a spark in the dark ...

Should one be happy to be a Chi's ka bob?
 
Courage of the soul as well as humility and honesty is at the heart of the stoic philosophy ... also compassion and solidarity.
As a society, we seem quite comfortable with the idea of assisted dying at the beginning of life (abortion) ... but struggle with it at the end of life ... hydromorphone alleviates the problem of all addictions for people at the end of life enigma ... when the proper dose is stoicly administered ...
 
Allows stand-up or ET ical mode to give up and share all things with that beyond us as isolationists ... a philosophically difficult thing to get over if overly collected ! Hard nutz?
 
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