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revsdd said:
I'm sorry, but even if said in jest hoping that Trump - or anyone - would be assassinated is way over the top.
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I am thinking that Bernie is a far more likely candidate to be assassinated than Trump. There are too many people making money under Trump. Trump is far less of a threat to the many (not just Obama) elite preservers of the status quo than Bernie is. The ground is being laid for a full on assault of Bernie should he climb high enough to generally threaten for the nomination. Even in the existing Democratic party there are those that would rather see Trump reelected than see Bernie as POTUS (rather vote for Trump than a socialist). The 'donor class' is 'Never Bernie" ... but perhaps there will be no assassination and the past non voters will turn out in his favor and he will 'win'. That is what I would hope for. If anyone deserves a shot at turning this establishment around - in my estimation it is Bernie.
 
Glad somebody suggested this...and I don't think any Trump staff are safe from being fired if they are in his way/ get more attention than him/ get attention that reflects poorly on him...so he could get fired, regardless of his "tenure".. As Trump might say, "I don't know. Who knows? People are saying maybe he's not a great guy. I'm not saying that. But maybe that's true, maybe that's not true. That's just what I heard, okay? We'll see what happens."



www.politico.com

Democratic leaders call on Stephen Miller to resign amid claims he pushed white nationalist beliefs

The resignation demand came from the Congressional Black Caucus, Congressional Hispanic Caucus and other progressive groups.
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I wonder if Miller was the impetus (or one of them) behind the US officially declaring Judaism a nationality. I have heard anger and disappointment from progressive Jews about it - because, they've said it could marginalize Jews who disagree with Israeli politics, and/ or bring into question things like "dual loyalties", which I've heard described as an antisemetic accusation in and of itself - but I'm not Jewish and not qualified to argue on anyone's behalf about that subject (not more than just bringing it up - because Trump recently made that declaration, and Jewish lawmakers called for Miller to be fired not long after.)
 
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revjohn said:
It is not Lt. Col. Vindman's place to decide what is impeachable or not. That is the domain of Legislatures.

He found it inappropriate and he took the required action. He reported it.

It was his report that the whistleblower shared.

The whistleblower gave an actual eyewitness who testified that Trump wanted Ukraine to do him a favour.

Lt. Col Vindman testified that not only did Trump solicit help in investigating Biden, US Ambassador Sondland also promised a meeting with Trump if the Ukrainian President would simply say that Biden was being investigated.

Sondland, by the way, agreed with that testimony and Sondland is not a heresay witness in testimony about what he said that he agreed he did say.

Based on that Testimony it is not unreasonable to conclude that Trump, as President, withheld military aid from an ally in an attempt to get them to smear the Biden's

Based on testimony given privately and then publicly Democrats found that Trump was requesting Ukraine to muddy the waters and would give them concessions if Ukraine consented.



Which proves what? That Lt. Col Vindman and Sondland are lying? That what Trump asked would never ever be to his advantage?

And lest it go unnoticed Sondland and Trump were friends and Sondland qualified for his ambassadorship on the strength of his donation to the Trump campaign. Not a never Trumper.



He has the right to ensure that American funds are not being used in a corrupt fashion.

He actually dies not have the right to withhold funds from an ally until they investigate a political target of his choosing.

If his request had been if the former l doubt Lt Col. Vindman would have been alarmed.



Neither Sondland or Vindman offered hearsay evidence.

The only "feelings" Lt. Col. Vindman shared was his perception that Trump's asking for a favour was inappropriate. So inappropriate he reported it to his superiors.



The ask is a solicitation. The withholding of funds for military aud is documented as is the rationale for withholding that aid.

That is the issue.

Both are actual proofs.



What I see is that both Speaker Pelosi and minority leader Schumer have, up until the whistleblower report resisted calls for impeachment.

This will be the third time since Congress went blue at Congressional Democrats have asked for Trump to be impeached. Previously Pelosi whipped Congressional Democrats to vote against.

Not so this time around.

Which tells me that something is different this time around and given the testimony on this issue so far it would appear Trump did cross the line.

If the Republicans believed he didn't cross the line there would be witnesses saying h didn't. Trump is forbidding others who were on the call from testifying.

The Senate doesn't want witnesses called at all.

If you think your guy didn't get a fair trial in Congress here is the chance to give him a fair trial now.

And yet they aren't going to.

They have no intention of allowing a fair trial to happen.

Trump wants witnesses. Senate Republicans absolutely do not want witnesses to testify.

Why do you think that is? Because the Democrats have an agenda or the Republicans have an agenda?

Trump has been impeached. Only the Senate has the power to remove him and few think that is even remotely possible and that is not based on any notion that the Senate Republicans are bastions of integrity.

If they were they would ensure a fair trial now that the responsibility falls to them. They abdicated that responsibility and they are brazen about it.

Say what you want about the Democrats.

The ball is now in the Senate's court as soon as they agree to a fair trial.

If they were confident Trump could survive a fair trial they'd make sure it happened.

They know what the witnesses Trump has blocked would say under oath. We've already heard Mulvaney publicly affirm the quid pro quo. Just not under oath.
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What baffles me is that the US doesn’t have laws that makes certain procedures mandatory independently from any politics, like the President’s or the Senats wishes. Their justice system seems to be so interwoven with politics, I don’t think you can call that democracy any more.
 
The search for power goes on ... with the question: to be or not to be corrupted by it ... alternate is to gain 20-20 vision ... not good for the brain dead option ... faux form of Babe Yoh Dah ... das IT ... the elusive singularity as "one"!

Recall the divide and conquer ruse (roue's) ... we're rites ... the intuit! And we go round and round and few see the corruption factor; Hamiltonian!
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
What baffles me is that the US doesn’t have laws that makes certain procedures mandatory independently from any politics, like the President’s or the Senats wishes. Their justice system seems to be so interwoven with politics, I don’t think you can call that democracy any more.
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Democracy can also be corrupted given enough force ... it breaks in halves ... divine powers? Latent gathering is what we wish for ... a present failure given the nous of binding nature: "one side or the other, no meso!" It plateaux soude ... flat base?

Otherwise the pyramids schemes collapse as conspiracies to a point ... the clash of the Star of Daffy Das ...
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
What baffles me is that the US doesn’t have laws that makes certain procedures mandatory independently from any politics, like the President’s or the Senats wishes. Their justice system seems to be so interwoven with politics, I don’t think you can call that democracy any more.
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I thought they did...but Trump’s breaking them/ openly refusing to comply with subpoenas of witnesses and such.
 
Do Business Christians (enlightening character) differ from personal christians that are sunk ... as thunk in business lifts? Elevator advertisements?

How do we get blood from those that turnip ... swing round to bite? The answer to the understanding is subtle ... partisan of the other kind ... kind've out of here and now ... Hoo's now! Flakey enigma ... those that deny essence of enlightenment form the dar Knesset of Saul ... a deep cognessence! The political powers won't allow it to go that fa rass equity would bring their wealth into focus ... them folk's us! Feel cranked?

Admit to it ... the godly script is metaphorical ... one part for truth .. the other part for those lying in fates ... and yet we don't know the fate as it is yet to come upon us ... generally unbeknownst! Know it allis going to argue the point ... and we in the shadow can play with it ... causing distant whispers and shifts ... a la sans! That's without ... Knot ag Lu' ... pure desiderata? Willi's faux drive ... without the solar winds! Saul's minor thing ... as dark mystery!

Yet we are free to believe anything ... even hoax ... the divine AX of the carp enters? Fetch in ...
 
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Mrs.Anteater said:
What baffles me is that the US doesn’t have laws that makes certain procedures mandatory independently from any politics, like the President’s or the Senats wishes. Their justice system seems to be so interwoven with politics, I don’t think you can call that democracy any more.
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I wonder if that's because the US is technically a republic and not a democracy?
 
GOT Ham ... two dar Kness ETs in one statement of gamma-zero-crosses ... according to the clowning shadow!

You did know that such hams come from the Black Forest Theme? Alternate conspiracy to that of Rome in tics ... happens with excess anticipation of something that wills not to occur ...

Sort of like that stress on Christmas ... Eve in position ... and it falls .. des light item for rest of the remaining intelligence. Thus entombed ... as myth!

The alternate twins will be diversified ... beyond your abstract (that's imagination ... fore Yah)!

Jah Zuseus's could this be ... or be knot ... the Buzz?
 
What Trump has done is turned America Upside Down and awakened the people as to just how bad the political system is in that country ------it's to bad Canada doesn't see just how corrupt our political system is and have someone like Trump to awaken us up ------the political system in all countries are Corrupt and no one seems to care -----Trump did care in my view and like I have said many times ----No one likes the truth being told ------Trump is not a model citizen himself and is his own worse enemy at times but one thing this man had done is turned the political system in an up roar which was needed and is needed in our country as well ------

https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/2019/12/20/cnn-poll-trump-economy-jobs-dem-debate-romans-newday-vpx.cnn

CNN poll: 76% say US economy is good
New Day

According to a new CNN poll conducted by SSRS, 76% of those polled rate the economy very or somewhat good. That's up nine points from last year and the highest percentage since February 2001. Democratic presidential candidates tried to make the case the Trump economy isn't working for everyone.


So here you see the corruption first hand -----down playing truth from the opposition -----people hate the truth ---

We here in Canada think nothing of what our Politicians do when they lie and obstruct justice and fire people for telling the truth ---we look the other way and vote them in again -----So we should be ashamed of ourselves as a people who allow corruption to go one in our political system and do nothing about it ------ Trump brought the snake to light in America and people don't like it -----

Many believe God is using Trump for His purpose ------how do we know this is not so ------ Who are we to Judge why Trump was able to beat all odds of winning the Presidency -----if God did choose Trump it is be for the Good in the end ------Trump has created big chaos in America ---he has divided the country ------Jesus came to divide the people

Matthew 10:34-36 (ESV)
Not Peace, but a Sword
34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household.


https://www.charismanews.com/culture/79210-the-mysterious-reasons-behind-president-trump-s-evangelical-support

The Mysterious Reasons Behind President Trump's Evangelical Support[URL='https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.charismanews.com%2Fculture%2F79210-the-mysterious-reasons-behind-president-trump-s-evangelical-support&text=The%20Mysterious%20Reasons%20Behind%20President%20Trump%27s%20Evangelical%20Support&via=charisma_news&hashtags='][EMAIL='?subject=Check%20out%20this%20article&body=I%20read%20this%20article%20and%20wanted%20to%20share%20it%20with%20you%3A%20https%3A%2F%2Fwww.charismanews.com%2Fculture%2F79210-the-mysterious-reasons-behind-president-trump-s-evangelical-support']
1:00PM EST 12/16/2019 [URL='https://www.charismanews.com/component/search/?searchword=Jonathan%20Cahn&ordering=newest&searchphrase=exact&areas[0]=authors']JONATHAN CAHN
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President Donald Trump (Reuters)In his latest international New York Times bestseller The Oracle: The Jubilean Mysteries Unveiled, Jonathan Cahn compares President Trump's declaration recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital to the ancient king Cyrus' declaration of the right of Jewish exiles to return to their land. Cahn cites the Old Testament:[/EMAIL][/URL][/URL]
 
revjohn said:
It is not Lt. Col. Vindman's place to decide what is impeachable or not. That is the domain of Legislatures.

He found it inappropriate and he took the required action. He reported it.

It was his report that the whistleblower shared.

The whistleblower gave an actual eyewitness who testified that Trump wanted Ukraine to do him a favour.

Lt. Col Vindman testified that not only did Trump solicit help in investigating Biden, US Ambassador Sondland also promised a meeting with Trump if the Ukrainian President would simply say that Biden was being investigated.

Sondland, by the way, agreed with that testimony and Sondland is not a heresay witness in testimony about what he said that he agreed he did say.

Based on that Testimony it is not unreasonable to conclude that Trump, as President, withheld military aid from an ally in an attempt to get them to smear the Biden's

Based on testimony given privately and then publicly Democrats found that Trump was requesting Ukraine to muddy the waters and would give them concessions if Ukraine consented.



Which proves what? That Lt. Col Vindman and Sondland are lying? That what Trump asked would never ever be to his advantage?

And lest it go unnoticed Sondland and Trump were friends and Sondland qualified for his ambassadorship on the strength of his donation to the Trump campaign. Not a never Trumper.



He has the right to ensure that American funds are not being used in a corrupt fashion.

He actually dies not have the right to withhold funds from an ally until they investigate a political target of his choosing.

If his request had been if the former l doubt Lt Col. Vindman would have been alarmed.



Neither Sondland or Vindman offered hearsay evidence.

The only "feelings" Lt. Col. Vindman shared was his perception that Trump's asking for a favour was inappropriate. So inappropriate he reported it to his superiors.



The ask is a solicitation. The withholding of funds for military aud is documented as is the rationale for withholding that aid.

That is the issue.

Both are actual proofs.



What I see is that both Speaker Pelosi and minority leader Schumer have, up until the whistleblower report resisted calls for impeachment.

This will be the third time since Congress went blue at Congressional Democrats have asked for Trump to be impeached. Previously Pelosi whipped Congressional Democrats to vote against.

Not so this time around.

Which tells me that something is different this time around and given the testimony on this issue so far it would appear Trump did cross the line.

If the Republicans believed he didn't cross the line there would be witnesses saying h didn't. Trump is forbidding others who were on the call from testifying.

The Senate doesn't want witnesses called at all.

If you think your guy didn't get a fair trial in Congress here is the chance to give him a fair trial now.

And yet they aren't going to.

They have no intention of allowing a fair trial to happen.

Trump wants witnesses. Senate Republicans absolutely do not want witnesses to testify.

Why do you think that is? Because the Democrats have an agenda or the Republicans have an agenda?

Trump has been impeached. Only the Senate has the power to remove him and few think that is even remotely possible and that is not based on any notion that the Senate Republicans are bastions of integrity.

If they were they would ensure a fair trial now that the responsibility falls to them. They abdicated that responsibility and they are brazen about it.

Say what you want about the Democrats.

The ball is now in the Senate's court as soon as they agree to a fair trial.

If they were confident Trump could survive a fair trial they'd make sure it happened.

They know what the witnesses Trump has blocked would say under oath. We've already heard Mulvaney publicly affirm the quid pro quo. Just not under oath.
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say what you want, it's still the Lt Opinion, that is not fact to remove a president, all other witnesses were all heard say, Dems are so far left there now a disaster
 
revjohn said:
I challenge the notion that Trump is a good businessman.

As others have pointed out he has a number of failed business. Losing money on a casino takes a special kind of talent.

Defrauding creditors is not good business.

What Trump managed to do is make his name a brand and that basically was via The Apprentice. Certainly most other ventures where he contributed his brand went bad because the quality of the product sucked (Trump Steaks and University).

Lets not forget the Trump Charity and his management of that. One would think that a good businessman knows the difference between charitable spending and personal spending.

Trump needed a judge to get that distinction.

So no. Not a good businessman. Is he even a successful businessman? Well taxes would tell that story but that is yet another witness Trump will not let talk.

The bloom is off this rose.
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with all due respect, your a pastor (and a great one) , not a businessman what you posted is your opinion of business , did you know most successful business people have venture failures? all land developers and builders I have worked with have failures, and I have been at this 35yrs I know my job, and as a matter of fact in 1989 most went bankrupt in Ontario, that did not stop them, the majority are back in business and worth millions. and I bet you with the millions they invest to build upwards, aka condo Towers, which is exploding nowhere in Vaughan, you guys have no clue of the tremendous amount of calculated risk they take, hundreds of times more risk than a residential subdivision site, the pressure they are under would make a normal person crack, and by your measure, there all failures

winners get back up, to measure one's success based on failed ventures alone and avoid the successful ones is just stupidity

The fruit of this particular tree brings neither gentleness, self-control, love, kindness, joy, peace, patience, goodness or faithfulness. The tree is rotten.
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your opinion
 
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Mrs.Anteater said:
What baffles me is that the US doesn’t have laws that makes certain procedures mandatory independently from any politics, like the President’s or the Senats wishes. Their justice system seems to be so interwoven with politics, I don’t think you can call that democracy any more.
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problem is, the Senate doesn't trust the House, The House doesn't trust the Senate, the Court Judges are appointed by whichever party is in power and thus they all claim bias

solutions?
 
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