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Ezra and Nehemiah offer an interesting insight. To reestablish the glory of Jerusalem only blood relations are to be allowed inside the wall being built. All others are to be cast out.

“Multitudes, multitudes
in the valley of decision!
For the day of the Lord is near
in the valley of decision.”
 
The present political drama is being deployed as a strategic division of the population, producing a sense of deep confusion on all sides. The old adage, divide and conquer, comes to mind. The devil’s work; considered metaphorically.
 
Northwind said:
Now it appears he is blaming the Democrats for ripping the kids from their families. Apparently this is a ploy to get them to approve funding for the wall.
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Power does what it has to do to overcome inhibitions of intellect! Isn't that clear chit …

Then confusion on both sides of the straight line … the straight-liners can't see it …

Wavering is disallowed as that would be strange as light … illuminator visions?

When the patriarchy of the church stated the common people shouldn't know … what are the consequences? Appears to me to be screwed up or jacked off thought ... jilted?
 
Eww
Trump suggests separation of families at border is a negotiating tool
Northwind said:
Now it appears he is blaming the Democrats for ripping the kids from their families. Apparently this is a ploy to get them to approve funding for the wall.
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There is a lot of blame 2 go around; why didn't Obama administration deal with this abuse?
1,224 Complaints Reveal a Staggering Pattern of Sexual Abuse in Immigration Detention. Half of Those Accused Worked for ICE.

It seems 2 b another common human trait: the ability to justify pretty much anything from genocide to firing...

Horrors upon horrors :(

Good news
North Korea begins returning remains of missing US troops from Korean War, Trump says
 
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Hi chansen,
chansen said:
Great, find me the strong anti-authoritarian side now, because I don't see it. This is Christianity in action now. This is what people associate with Christianity today.

All I'm saying is there is a massive overlap between the cult of Trump, and the cult of fundamentalist Christianity. And that the latter paved the way for the former.
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Found this and you came quick to mind: “The atheist staring from his attic window is often nearer to God than the believer caught up in his own false image of God.” Martin Buber
 
That just attempts to put the decent atheist in a "good light" to a believer. It's not the way an atheist thinks about themselves.

A lot of the anti-Trump sentiment from atheists comes from a place where truth and honesty are important. And not the stupid Christian "truth" which is just insisting that Christianity is true, on the back of no evidence whatsoever, and thinking that is somehow impressive. It is scary how easily Trump lies, and how little these lies are pointed out. To an atheist, it is reminiscent of common fundamentalist Christian lies about things like science and evidence for God, and how these lies are supported and propagated through Christian networks.

The point remains that taking words on a page and insisting they are somehow true, with respect to God and Jesus, is similar to how the cult of Trump takes Trump's words, and believes them because he said them. Once you reject the need for reason and evidence in one area, it is easier to reject them again.
 
chansen said:
That just attempts to put the decent atheist in a "good light" to a believer. It's not the way an atheist thinks about themselves.

A lot of the anti-Trump sentiment from atheists comes from a place where truth and honesty are important. And not the stupid Christian "truth" which is just insisting that Christianity is true, on the back of no evidence whatsoever, and thinking that is somehow impressive. It is scary how easily Trump lies, and how little these lies are pointed out. To an atheist, it is reminiscent of common fundamentalist Christian lies about things like science and evidence for God, and how these lies are supported and propagated through Christian networks.

The point remains that taking words on a page and insisting they are somehow true, with respect to God and Jesus, is similar to how the cult of Trump takes Trump's words, and believes them because he said them. Once you reject the need for reason and evidence in one area, it is easier to reject them again.
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Tis all questionable and prone to query … some would set flame to this ... as prone to inquisition that they'd like to burn out ...
 
Hi,
chansen said:
The point remains that taking words on a page and insisting they are somehow true, with respect to God and Jesus, is similar to how the cult of Trump takes Trump's words, and believes them because he said them. Once you reject the need for reason and evidence in one area, it is easier to reject them again.
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Unreserved agreement on this. Christianity is deep in the shadow cast by its refusal to seek truth and its persistence in trusting what cannot be trusted.

George
 
But then the other side just says the opposite, and everyone is fighting over who is the "true" Christian.

You all are. You're all Christians, and you can't agree on the most basic sets of human rights and values.
 
Neither can the Muslims. Nor the Buddhists, nor the Jews, nor the Jains. Political agreement and religious agreement are not the same thing. Otherwise, we'd have some sort of universal agreement on what the Golden Rule means. What I would like you to do to me, and what you would like done to you, are not necessarily the same thing...
 
musings knocked loose

Was wondering:

these children who r being seperated
does anyone know what kind of life r they fleeing from compared to the one they're living in now? how do the standards of living compare?

has anyone come across mention of any plans by 45s opposition that comes up with any alternative?
 
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BetteTheRed said:
Neither can the Muslims. Nor the Buddhists, nor the Jews, nor the Jains. Political agreement and religious agreement are not the same thing. Otherwise, we'd have some sort of universal agreement on what the Golden Rule means. What I would like you to do to me, and what you would like done to you, are not necessarily the same thing...
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Religion is a tough beastie that can't be fixed … as it is based on belief in that which is absent … the abstract miss in bit! It can bite …

It is said in fear we must face it … the Beast … and it is brutal if you tumble … logical fallacy?
 
Inannawhimsey said:
musings knocked loose

Was wondering:

these children who r being seperated
does anyone know what kind of life r they fleeing from compared to the one they're living in now? how do the standards of living compare?

has anyone come across mention of any plans by 45s opposition that comes up with any alternative?
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45 has a Colt that could be used to blow them away or carry them off into an isolated condition … in the light of carrying on with a smaller hoer St. one cutting sod … ploughman? One must see what the dirt is capable of … it must be turned !
 
BetteTheRed said:
I will come right out and say that no "True Christian" can possibly support the Trump government.
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See no true scotsman fallacy.

True Christians can, and do support Trump. We may not think them particularly good Christians.
 
Monday morning check-up as a new week begins.

(1) Laura Bush has written a scathing article blasting the Trump "separate parents from children" immigration policy.

From the article: "I live in a border state. I appreciate the need to enforce and protect our international boundaries, but this zero-tolerance policy is cruel. It is immoral. And it breaks my heart."

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(2) Melania Trump has somewhat gently disagreed with the immigration policy.

Her Communications Director says "Mrs Trump hates to see children separated from their families and hopes both sides of the aisle can finally come together to achieve successful immigration reform. She believes we need to be a country that follows all laws, but also a country that governs with heart."

(3) Steve Bannon says that Donald Trump has never lied.

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(4) Kellyanne Conway's husband George has said that allegations that the Trump Foundation violated campaign finance laws should be referred to the federal prosecutor's office in New York City.

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Fun and games as the circus in Washington continues its run.
 
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