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You're right. What do I know. I'm only a PhD in history so I would be reading the sophisticated books you do.

But I do know what a Canadian miner is. And, as you use the word, that is not what I was talking about. I was talking about Canadian mine owners.

I'll see if I can find a book that has words small enough for you.
 
Graeme Decarie said:
You're right. What do I know. I'm only a PhD in history so I would be reading the sophisticated books you do.

But I do know what a Canadian miner is. And, as you use the word, that is not what I was talking about. I was talking about Canadian mine owners.

I'll see if I can find a book that has words small enough for you.
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Canadian mine owners pay Canadian miners and buy equipment to mine. The people on the ground are Canadian miners.

The mine owners may be Chinese, or Ontario Teachers Assn.

But I do know what causes killing. It’s not miners.
 
  1. Another Activist Murder Linked to Canadian Mining in Guatemala ...
    Another Activist Murder Linked to Canadian Mining in Guatemala 19, 2017 ... Laura Leonor Vasquez Pineda was a fierce opponent of mining near the El Escobal silver mine owned by the Canadian company Tahoe ...
  2. Corruption, Murder and Canadian Mining in Mexico - Common Frontiers
    https://www.commonfrontiers.ca/Sing...fire_Embassy_Report_2013-05-02_ENG final.pdfCanadian Mining Companies in Mexico: A Primer . .... murdered; and days later, allegations that the company was involved in the corruption of a local mayor.
  3. Canadian mining company got embassy help amid controversy in ...
    https://www.thestar.com/news/world/..._controversy_in_mexico_advocacy_group.htmlMay 5, 2013 ... Mining Watch issues report on what Canadian embassy in Mexico knew about the murder of Chiapas anti-mining activist, whose accused ...
  4. Ex-Hudbay Minerals' security guard to be retried for murder in ...
    http://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pm...uard-to-be-retried-for-murder-in-guatemalaSep 15, 2017 ... TORONTO — A former security guard for a Canadian-owned mining companyaccused of killing an Indigenous activist and leaving another ...
  5. Murders in Mining Country: Canadian mining companies at the scene ...
    http://www.dominionpaper.ca/articles/3166Feb 19, 2010 ... Canadian mining companies at the scene of the crimes ... Three people arrested in connection with the murder all have ties to Blackfire as ...
  6. Canadian mining firm at centre of Mexican murder probe - The Globe ...
    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...re-of-mexican-murder-probe/article4295141/Dec 7, 2009 ... Three men with links to a Canadian mining company have been charged in thekilling of a Mexican activist, threatening already strained ...
  7. Canadian Mining Companies Are Destroying Latin America - VICE
    https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/...companies-are-destroying-latin-america-924Feb 12, 2015 ... Throughout Latin America, Canadian mining companies are acting with ...MiningWatch Canada says it's an "all-out war" between these crime ...
 
BetteTheRed said:
It might be more accurate to say that graeme has SEEN the track record of Canadian mining companies. Not so reputable. Got nothing to do with actual miners.
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exactly
different people also have differing levels of what they can go to bed knowing, essentially

from the people who r so against fossil fuels that they want us to use 0 of them

from the people who own a gun and acknowledge that others can use guns

through those who recognize Canadian mining companies that have done horrific human rights abuses and the US that continues to do horrific things AND who can recognize the amazing things that both countries have done (eg.US: helped the lowest level of global poverty become a minority)

just like in the Bibble, all those genocides and murders and killings and yet we still can worship Jesus

what can one go to sleep knowing?

what is worth it?
 
Seeler said:
The prophets,even the gloom andoom prophets like Jeremiah and Ezekiel, gave the people some hope.
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Already all around us,but since it is positive news, we can tend to ignore it (or MSM corporate media can ignore it); perhaps a religious element as well? cf.only Jesus etc can solve our problems so anything we do is suspect or a lie?
Good news prophets like Matt Ridley
human progress dot org
Stephen Pinker (and his latest book, Enlightenment Now)
Our World in Data
Stewart Brand
and much more
 
The way mining works is there are geologists travelling all over the world trying to find places with easily accessible ore deposits. They stake a claim and then raise money to prove the find with samples. If it becomes feasible to open a mine usually a large miner buys all or most of the rights and then makes a deal with the government that will benefit that government as well as improve the lives of the community. Schools, jobs, doctors, everything you would find in a town of a few thousand that would be needed to support a mine.

Then comes the eco-terrorists from California. They will pay locals to do dangerous things to try to stop the town and all the people from prospering. Getting them killed is the best way to draw attention to the evils of mining.

Here in Canada, you will have thriving communities built around mines. Mines have expected lives based on reserves, ore/waste ratios and commodity prices. So you drive a truck, have a house and your wife works for a supply company. Your kids are in grades 4 and six and they love their teachers. The mine only has one more year of ore, but they can just continue mining onto the adjacent property because there is no end in site to this coal seam.

The mine applies to extend the mine boundary.

Then come the eco-terrorists. All lawyered up - this is all they do. They tie everything up in court for 10 years. All those families lives and dreams shattered. Ghost town. $250,000 homes can’t even be sold for $35,000.

So you have all your links to Canadian miners written up by eco-terrorists who are there pushing and prodding and trying to get people killed or lives ruined. Because their goal is to stop every mine. Even though they themselves would actually be dead without it.
 
Yep, when the almighty dollar becomes more important than the well-being of the planet and the human rights of local people, we have a problem. A human problem, with ecological impacts.

Eco-terrorist is just another buzzword of the extreme right.
 
Without mining, you wouldn’t have windows, forks, gardening implements, cars, computers, furnace, paint, gps, food, well you know - anything.

If you think the world would be a better place without mining, and everything looks extreme right to you, it’s because you have gone so far left you can’t even comprehend reality from there.

Stuff you want just magically appears on store shelves.
 
we wouldn't have forks? Well, that's worth killing Latin Americans for.

Pontiflex, you have a seriously disordered mind. You defended mining companies from attacks. But nobody was attacking them simply for mining. They were being attacked for killing people, seriously disrupting societies, environmental destruction.....

I suppose one could defend Hitler by referring to his road building in Germany. But road building is not what he is criticized for.

You have no sense of topic.

Nobody has suggested outlawing mining. Nobody has suggested it shouldn't exist.---except you. You have no sense whatever of focus.
 
Correct. There's mining as it is done today, which in many countries includes violations of human rights, and environmental rights.

It is quite possible to mine, morally. It's probably more expensive though.
 
Graeme Decarie said:
You defended mining companies from attacks. But nobody was attacking them simply for mining.
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This a very important point that can be extrapolated to other areas. It's not the mining being criticized, it's the lack of caring for the safety of employees and the environment around the mines. Just like it's not the anthem the NFL players are protesting, it's the police brutality and injustice. The alt-right seeks to re-frame the discussion, and they are really good at it. And people like PG13 eat it up.
 
chansen said:
This a very important point that can be extrapolated to other areas. It's not the mining being criticized, it's the lack of caring for the safety of employees and the environment around the mines. Just like it's not the anthem the NFL players are protesting, it's the police brutality and injustice. The alt-right seeks to re-frame the discussion, and they are really good at it. And people like PG13 eat it up.
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If everything you know about mining comes from Graeme, it’s less than zero.

The people dying are called activists in Graeme’s articles. They have local names. The eco-terrorists from California are pretty much like Antifa. Paying community members to protest and sabotage mine equipment while they try to hide their own identities. They don’t get killed, but they make sure someone does.

Because the game is to shut down all mines. That is what it is about. They try to stop every mine. They make miners spend millions explaining how two frogs in a slew will be relocated until such time as they can be put back into the same slew.

So it is mining being criticized. Activist is not a code word for miners under unsafe working conditions.

On NFL. You are the one eating up the rhetoric.

Do you actually think that there is one police force in the US that has a policy of racial discrimination against blacks? Do you actually think that every time a cop shoots a black, it is because he is black?

You can’t discriminate against all good cops because there may be a few bad ones.

Well you can, but I don’t see how you can’t understand how the rest become offended.

The police are there to protect the safety of all citizens of their republic. And most Americans would punch you in the face for walking across their flag.

So protesting by choosing to do something that offends every cop and most Americans may get attention, but not love.
 
That's right. The police are there to protect Americans. And most of them do not shoot innocent people. Odd, though. The U.S. has the highest killing by police record in the world. And for police to be charged with it is almost unheard of.

And, yes, mining companies are famous for their concern for the local people. Ever heard of Congo? Ever heard of the slaughter that's been going on there for almost 150 years? We're talking in the millions.

Ever wonder why Latin american countries with mines have profound poverty?

I was interested to read your analysis that all these killings are caused by eco-terrorists in California. Interesting. Could you send me your address?
 
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