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Another point as I look at what's happening in the news - I'm certainly no lawyer, but it seems to me that if the White House legal team is starting to publicly say that the President can't be guilty of obstructing justice then that's a pretty good sign that the White House legal team is worried that the President might be guilty of obstructing justice.

Are things appearing to look like they don't appear as they are ... like incarnation of White House Noise?

Could it be it just lies there as in Lyon ...
 
I once read in another dictionary (Lexus) that incarnate was "something appearing as isn't ..."

Then there is as a ghost of a chance :
(fits in with the wayward wind scheme ... comes and goes 't ... to fit a "t")

in·car·nate
adjective
adjective: incarnate
inˈkärnət,inˈkärˌnāt/
  1. 1.
    (especially of a deity or spirit) embodied in flesh; in human form.
    "God incarnate"
    synonyms: in human form, in the flesh, in physical form, in bodily form, made flesh; More
    corporeal, physical, fleshly, embodied, personified
    "the chairman has been labeled "evil incarnate" by various conservationists"
    • represented in the ultimate or most extreme form.
      "here is capitalism incarnate"
verb
verb: incarnate; 3rd person present: incarnates; past tense: incarnated; past participle: incarnated; gerund or present participle: incarnating
ˈinˌkärnˌāt/​
  1. 1.
    embody or represent (a deity or spirit) in human form.
    "the idea that God incarnates himself in man"​
      • put (an idea or other abstract concept) into concrete form.
        "a desire to make things which will incarnate their personality"
    • (of a person) be the living embodiment of (a quality).
      "the man who incarnates the suffering which has affected every single Mozambican"​
 
revsdd said:
Another point as I look at what's happening in the news - I'm certainly no lawyer, but it seems to me that if the White House legal team is starting to publicly say that the President can't be guilty of obstructing justice then that's a pretty good sign that the White House legal team is worried that the President might be guilty of obstructing justice.

Well, it could also be a sign that the White House Legal team is ignorant about what obstructing justice looks like and has a knowledge of history that doesn't extend to the Nixon Administration.

Given the picks for Administration posts so far it doesn't strike me as beyond the bounds of reality that the current White House legal team runs doltish.
 
All too true.

Trump's problem is not that he is more vicious than past presidents. His problem is that he can't hide his viciousness as other presidents have. The American military budget has been going out of control since 1950 - at least. American invasions, over 70 of them - have been going on since 1945. The deliberate killing of civilians has been an American method of war since a year BEFORE Hiroshima. We have been watching a big business sector running wild under every president. The charge is on for the ultimate prize, rule of the whole world by American billionaires.

This has gone past evil to become criminal insanity.

And I cannot understand or accept the silence of Christians.
 
Well, it could also be a sign that the White House Legal team is ignorant about what obstructing justice looks like and has a knowledge of history that doesn't extend to the Nixon Administration.

Given the picks for Administration posts so far it doesn't strike me as beyond the bounds of reality that the current White House legal team runs doltish.

Is naïveté and ignorance to option or alternative to an ideal of pure freewiles? Prick of a situation ... even in Sleepy Hollow with the Bout ... boot? Perhaps the butte end as high ends fall ...
 
Luce NDs said:
Is naïveté and ignorance to option or alternative to an ideal of pure freewiles?

Not so much an option to free-will as they are mistaken attempts at using it. Not really an alternative to free-will either as ignorance is something many freely will for themselves.
 
"Donald Trump didn't obstruct justice! Fake news!"

later...

"Donald Trump can't obstruct justice because he *is* justice!"

I'm waiting for the charges to be filed, and Sarah Huckabee Sanders comes out and says, "Donald Trump was a minor figure in the Trump presidency and wasn't around much, and made no important decisions..."
 
"Donald Trump didn't obstruct justice! Fake news!"

later...

"Donald Trump can't obstruct justice because he *is* justice!"

I'm waiting for the charges to be filed, and Sarah Huckabee Sanders comes out and says, "Donald Trump was a minor figure in the Trump presidency and wasn't around much, and made no important decisions..."
We should have a thread discussing what Justin Trudeau has done so far.....
 
chansen said:
I'm waiting for the charges to be filed, and Sarah Huckabee Sanders comes out and says, "Donald Trump was a minor figure in the Trump presidency and wasn't around much, and made no important decisions..."

Graeme gets to be the first to say, "I told you so."
 
Reports now suggest Reince Priebus and Mike Pence were considering taking Trump off the ticket to run Pence with Condoleeza Rice as his running mate, after the Access Hollywood "grab them by the pussy" tape came out.

Obviously, that tape hardly mattered in the eyes of the Christians who supported Trump, just as the multiple reports of Roy Moore "dating" teenaged girls when he was in his 30s and being banned from malls are not affecting his Christian support as much as people would expect.

In each case, what would sink them is if they had consensual same sex relationships. That would stop both candidates and end their popular Christian support. But you can admit to groping women and kissing without their consent, and have multiple reports of you perving on teenaged girls, and that's fine. This behaviour is now officially normalized in the Republican Party, and accepted by a large contingent of Christians.

Moore, one pastor said, had to date younger girls after the Vietnam war because they were still pure.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong...as I understand it, to be arrested for a crime, as a sitting president, Trump either can't be arrested under federal law - or if he can, technically he can pardon himself. The forefathers weren't making the pardon laws with someone like Trump in mind. He'd have to be impeached first and arrested as a private citizen. Either that, or they might be able to arrest him for breaking state law, if he has.

But with the GOP in both houses impeachment is unlikely. Trump seems like he's betting on the dictator card. Which would then mean Trump *is* the law. Scary possibility.
 
Trump is not the issue. It's a big mistake to see it that way.The U.S. impulse to war comes from the same source as the British one during the days of the British Empire. It is a capitalism that makes money out of sending the rest of us to war. That's why Canadians fought wars - because Canadian capitalists once relied on the British Empire for markets. They now rely on American markets so rush to the demands of American capitalists. That's why we fought the Korean War. That's why we bombed Libya and, for a time, Syria. That's why we had military trainers in Syria, now have troops in Latvia, had 'peacekeepers' in Congo and Haiti... That's why we heard nothing about the slaughter of the Maya in Guatemala.

It's a very old game, but far, far more dangerous than it was before with the development of modern weapons.

It also provides an excuse for American governments to divert money from domestic needs into the pockets of a small number of billionaires.

None of this was created by Trump. It began, in fact, before he was born. We are watching a capitalism that has flourished into a greed that is quite out of control. Trump didn't create it. And he couldn't stop it even if he wanted to.

It is greed (and stupidity) that has sent the U.S. into a crash dive to collapse. Trump didn't do this. He is simply a comic figure who follows the same policies as his predecessors - and who will be disposed of by his fellow capitalists because grotesque acts are spoiling their game.

But to return to the original point, the real force here is an overpowerful capitalism that has gone quite out of control.

To add to that, any war could turn into the final one. There are now twenty thousand or so nuclear weapons around the world. A war of any sort could turn those weapons loose. The destruction could be so great that North America would not survive even if every bomb aimed at it missed. Add to that the massive stocks of undiscussed weapons - like poison gas, flammable liquids, food-destroying agent orange and the rapid increase of robot weapons - and we are heading into a world that will not survive.

This is greed and stupidity in measures the world has never before seen. And, like it or not, Canada is up to its ears in this because Canadian capitalists insist on our ties to the U.S. since that opens doors for Canadian exports.

There could not be a more destructive attack to be launched against all humanity. And, frankly, I do not see how the churches can ignore what is happening.

But don't waste time debating about Trump. Yes, he's a horse's ass. But you will find similar behaviour in almost every president (and almost every Canadian premier since 1945 - the sole Canadian exception being Lester Pearson.)
Trump is a lout and a comic figure - as is his whole entourage. But almost all of his predecessors were moving in the same direction as Trump.

Meanwhile, I see Christians lined up outside hospitals to picket those that do abortions. But I have yet to see demonstrations against the U.S. mass murder of civilians including babies all over the world, and its deliberate starvation of millions of Yemen civilians.

After two thousand years, the church is invisible.
 
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