TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?

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Mendalla has stated the problem very well. Like dealing with climate change, it's essential. But, also like climate change, it will be hard to see a way.
I studied under Arthur Lower, the historian-author of Canada:Colony to Nation. It saw us as breaking out of colonialism between 1914 and 1945. But it should have been obvious even then that we were breaking out of one colonialism to join another. We were a part of the American empire.
It's also true we should be getting out of NATO. It, too, is simply a codeword for American Empire.
Tiny Cuba broke out of the American empire. It looks as though The Phiilipines is doing the same. And there is emerging a great unhappiness with American imperialism in Europe with the European countries looking for a better ally. We can also expect some serious conflicts within the American colonies of South America. And there is every possibility the U.S. will draw us into that as it has already drawn us into Afghanistan,, the middle east and eastern Europe. There will be a price to pay for breaking with the U.S. There will be much bigger one in continuing to be a U.S. colony.
The world of twenty years ago was not very different from the world of today. The world of twenty years from now is going to look impossibly different from the one we know. The billionaires who rule the U.S. have been greedy, brutal, corrupting, and indifferent to the horror they create for others - including americans. Now, they're approaching panic at the rise of China - and the weakening regard for the U.S. in that region. It is very possible that will go to war to prevent that - and the only war the U.S. can fight now is a nuclear one. In 16 years, the armed forces of the U.S. have not been capable of putting down what is essentially a rebellion in a divided (and small) nation of Afghanistan. The idea that it could fight a conventional war against Russia and/or China is absurd.
The old imperialism of Britain was possible because Britain had lots of undeveloped and even primitive societies to murder and loot. Russia and China are neither undeveloped nor primitive.
The American empire is in decline. It has abused even Americans to make the decline ever worse. It bears a remarkable resemblance to Rome in its last days.
Yes, for Canada to break away from all that will be very, very difficult. Certainly, neither the Liberals nor the Conservatives will do any such thing because the people who who own those parties owe whatever wretched souls they have to our imperial masters.
 
Let us work and pray for peace to prevail and not Trump! The World Day of Prayer is March 3rd. It is written by women of the Philippines. Theme: Have I been Unfair? Our church 'team' is acting the passage of the workers and wages. So it will be an active involved way of being part of scripture stories.

Trump was brought up that failing was a horrible thing. That's one reason he has to 'win' at all costs. But we know that is a dangerous
thing in the wrong hands. He is upping the Empire of the USA when many are not with him even in the USA. But also ups the fear and hate for the US in the world. When will he run out of Orders of his own self choosing?

I wonder if we have some in Canada who are like him? Kevin O'Leary seems to be very much in the Trump state of mind.
Canada s great, but we do have internal issues that must be resolved. Our dealing with First Nations is still far too colonial and patronizing. The both and, rather than wither, or, in immigration, women's rights, Aboriginal rights and many others need a side by side approach. We cannot do only one way, or one thing, we need to carefully do what needs to be done to save refugees, and human rights here. So we do need some very good people who have skills in this on board.

We need to stand firm when standing for a Nation where it is safe for all. Hate crimes need to be addressed. now..
Trudeau needs a bevy of faithful steady people in these fronts and support those being maligned.

Not a job I'd want, but backing up what is good will support this work. Trump is not to trump Canada.
Canada is, it seems, a last stand for just and right relations among the peoples of the earth. What a calling,
especially in the midst of our own issues.

I get tired of Party Politics when we could work together on many things and do a decent work.

The world needs prayer and action to follow. Not extremes, but fair and just and merciful. Kind of like Micah 8:6, or is it 6:8?
To walk humbly with the Creator is to love mercy, seek justice and... get along respecting each other. Differences and all.
That does not mean laws that hurt, or kill, will be allowed in Canada, but that everyone has a fair chance at a decent and full life.

The word 'sharing' must be alive as we do not own anything that God made. It is shared. And the earth must be respected as well, as people and creatures. Trump thinks he's alone and owns it all. America cannot live without the rest of us, so any nation wishing to be isolated will be lost in their own muckiness. We are a Human race....one Race... human.

Good night all... be thankful tonight so the morning will shine a bit brighter for everyone.
Spirit Wind 7

Remember: World Day of Prayer... March 3rd. Fine one near you.






 
Fairness ... equity ... some powers would like to quit any activity that affects wealth ... thus equin-ism, or Marai-HS!

Fecundity behind the bairn ... a sol gone mad with passions? Causes rye states ... people in their cups, grails, etc.
 
Kevin O'Leary seems to be very much in the Trump state of mind.


He has Trump's approach but not the social conservatism. He's made it clear that he's pro-gay marriage, immigration, and so on. IOW, expect a fiscal conservative regime in the vein of Mike Harris or maybe Mulroney (though Mulroney, in the end, wasn't all that conservative, else we wouldn't have the GST/HST).

Example: O'Leary backs harm reduction and a prescription heroin program, something that Harper tried to shut down

http://www.straight.com/news/867781...eary-backs-prescription-heroin-program-harper

Also, this from an article on iPolitics:

This poll, however, was conducted before the leadership debate Monday night in which O’Leary declared the new Conservative party was going to be pro-choice, pro-marijuana legalization and an ardent defender of the LGBTQI community.

IOW, I'd rather have this guy in 24 Sussex than, say, Kellie Leitch. In fact, I would suggest that socially progressive Tories should be backing him.
 
The more negative reaction Trump gets, the more vindictive and authoritarian he gets. What people are not getting is that he is never going to watch a protest against him and say to himself, "Hmm. I guess people really don't like this. Maybe we should re-think it." Never. Going. To. Happen. He's just not wired that way. I think he would be agreeable as long as he gets the commensurate positive attention he feels entitled to. Somehow if he can be convinced that by changing course on some - maybe most - of his policies, all the cool people will like him! He'll get good ratings and press and have so many more supporters than now! I don't see a better alternative. Sending someone like him with so much power, into fierce tantrums, is just not a good idea. He's a jealous god, it seems. :eek:
 
Protests are not about changing Trump's mind. If you want to change his mind, get on Morning Joe or Fox News.

Protests are about firing up a vocal opposition and pressuring congress to stop Trump as much as possible. Even Republicans should be able to read these tea leaves and realize that the country had a hiccup, but it's not suddenly in favour of Trump's policies. If they want to win re-election, even other GOP lawmakers have to understand that this is an unpopular president.

Besides, you do not appease authoritarians.
 

He has Trump's approach but not the social conservatism. He's made it clear that he's pro-gay marriage, immigration, and so on. IOW, expect a fiscal conservative regime in the vein of Mike Harris or maybe Mulroney (though Mulroney, in the end, wasn't all that conservative, else we wouldn't have the GST/HST).

Example: O'Leary backs harm reduction and a prescription heroin program, something that Harper tried to shut down

http://www.straight.com/news/867781...eary-backs-prescription-heroin-program-harper

Also, this from an article on iPolitics:



IOW, I'd rather have this guy in 24 Sussex than, say, Kellie Leitch. In fact, I would suggest that socially progressive Tories should be backing him.
This is Canada. The reason Ontario still has a Liberal provincial government is we will not vote for religious nutcase social conservatives in the urban ridings. That, and the NDP still hasn't given anybody a reason to vote for them.
 
Not appease by accepting what he's doing...change his strategy by making him a deal he can't refuse. Because that is how he thinks and that can't be changed and he has way too much power at his disposal to mess with ...a different approach is needed . "If you do...by next month you'll have bigly high poll numbers - you'd win the popular vote!" The elected reps have to start suggesting that. He'll steamroller right over everything and everyone if he feels in the mood, otherwise.
 
He has an entire base that elected him to do things. He listens to his base. He thinks his base is bigger than it is.

When confronted with poll numbers he doesn't like, he retreats into his bubble while Sean Spicer and others are sent out to lie to keep Trump and his base happy.

Besides, to give him high poll numbers, real numbers, you run the risk of having him for 8 years.

I hope he makes it 4 years. If Trump is impeached, they'd have the religious nutcase Pence in charge. Evil is worse than incompetent. Ideally, Bannon gets ejected soon. But otherwise, south of us they have to weather the storm for 4 years, and hope the Democrats figure a way forward. If they can, Trump could lose the GOP majority in congress by 2018. If the Democrats can leverage this outrage into voter turnout, Trump could end up making America great again. Just not in the way he intended.
 
Sometimes, in accute circumstances, for safety, you have to appease authoritarians - at least temporarily - even if you'd rather not. Standing up to the bully by shouting in his face might just cause more harm than good sometimes. People sometimes need to recognize those times instead of acting on impulse themselves.


Anyway, with someone like Trump - he would change course if it would make him popular - not politically, he doesn't care about political parties, but if he felt the a-listers liked him, that the Hillary supporters love him more than her, that the Bernie supporters respect him - he'd be over the moon, and we'd all be safer. And - if they had reason to like him - maybe he could actually do some good. That is my opinion. Likely people are going to fight him until the bitter end, but I'd like to see a different approach.
 
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This is Canada. The reason Ontario still has a Liberal provincial government is we will not vote for religious nutcase social conservatives in the urban ridings. That, and the NDP still hasn't given anybody a reason to vote for them.

So far, Patrick Brown is keeping it cool and avoiding hot buttons. And it shows in the polls (e.g. a recent poll by Forum Research has the Libs and PCs in a dead heat in Toronto). However, he's an Ontario PC leader and their recent history of electoral gaffes means not counting their chickens before they're hatched.:rolleyes:
 
Patrick Brown courted the religious nutcases to win the leadership. Now he has abandoned their causes and they are screaming.

If he wins, will he flip again?

You can see the Liberal attack ads a mile away. And they'll have a point.
 
And they'll have a point.

So will the inevitable Conservative attack ads. This government is a shambles and if the Conservatives would just get a credible leader, they would walk away with the next election. With Brown already under scrutiny for his social conservative past, he is not that credible leader (though he is learning his former boss' trick of being social conservative but keeping his politics focussed on other issues) and will really be relying on Wynne to lose. I'll probably vote NDP in the next provincial but, as you said, they are a bit of a lost cause in Ontario and it will be more of "pox on both your houses" vote.
 
Sometimes, in accute circumstances, for safety, you have to appease authoritarians - at least temporarily - even if you'd rather not. Standing up to the bully by shouting in his face might just cause more harm than good sometimes. People sometimes need to recognize those times instead of acting on impulse themselves.


Anyway, with someone like Trump - he would change course if it would make him popular - not politically, he doesn't care about political parties, but if he felt the a-listers liked him, that the Hillary supporters love him more than her, that the Bernie supporters respect him - he'd be over the moon, and we'd all be safer. And - if they had reason to like him - maybe he could actually do some good. That is my opinion. Likely people are going to fight him until the bitter end, but I'd like to see a different approach.
You don't Neville Chamberlain bullies. Anywhere. You confront them where you find them. Anything else sends the wrong message to kids, it sacrifices your credibility, and it still isn't going to get you what you want. It's a losing strategy on all counts.

The one time you go along with bullies and make nice with them? I hate to Godwin anything, but I think of an interview with a Jewish holocaust survivor. She said that for her, the best revenge was to survive. That makes total sense. Had she confronted anyone...

Short of that extreme case, bullies get confronted, mocked, and eventually removed from office.
 
So will the inevitable Conservative attack ads. This government is a shambles and if the Conservatives would just get a credible leader, they would walk away with the next election. With Brown already under scrutiny for his social conservative past, he is not that credible leader (though he is learning his former boss' trick of being social conservative but keeping his politics focussed on other issues) and will really be relying on Wynne to lose. I'll probably vote NDP in the next provincial but, as you said, they are a bit of a lost cause in Ontario and it will be more of "pox on both your houses" vote.
The Liberals could win again. Yes, they are a disaster. But Brown will be raked over the coals for being anti-sex ed, anti-abortion and anti-science. Religion could once again kill the Conservative chances.
 
The problem is not Trump. The problem is the general manipulation of the American public - with the resulting failure of the American people to understand anything. Getting rid of Trump and electing a Democrat will make no improvement whatever.
And Canada is very similar. The NDP went soft and squishy seventy years ago. The liberals and conservatives are interchangeable - and the Canadian people are no better informed than the Americans are.
 
You don't Neville Chamberlain bullies. Anywhere. You confront them where you find them. Anything else sends the wrong message to kids, it sacrifices your credibility, and it still isn't going to get you what you want. It's a losing strategy on all counts.

The one time you go along with bullies and make nice with them? I hate to Godwin anything, but I think of an interview with a Jewish holocaust survivor. She said that for her, the best revenge was to survive. That makes total sense. Had she confronted anyone...

Short of that extreme case, bullies get confronted, mocked, and eventually removed from office.

Yeah, you assume this bully is capable of thinking like you do - what about irrational men with itchy fingers? Remember, you are not talking about a school bully, a bully boss or an internet troll. This is at another level - should be treated as such. Don't kid yourself -Trump has more power than all the protests that can be made - literally. Your theory is worth nothing - to anybody - in that case. Remember what Hillary said about his tweeting sensitivity - and she was right. That was a real concern. It didn't stop being an issue all of a sudden. So, in light of that...nothing like the bravado of a few causing danger for the many. We are seeing that the more people mock him the more vindictive he gets on the very subject. He just tightens the screws. He said himself "when somebody screws you screw them back ten times worse" - that is this man's philosophy - and being screwed equals being mocked .... But he won't do any harm if he feels like people love him. Sorry, I don't want to be collateral damage for that when all it would take is some reverse psychology to make everyone happy.

It's not Neville Chamberlaining - nobody's ignoring there's an issue here. It's just a different way to tackle it - with psychology rather than gusto. To get through 4 years safely.
 
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Yeah, you assume this bully is capable of thinking like you do - what about irrational men with itchy fingers? Remember, you are not talking about a school bully, a bully boss or an internet troll. Don't kid yourself -Trump has more power than all the protests that can be made - literally. Your theory is worth nothing - to anybody - in that case. Remember what Hillary said about his tweeting sensitivity - and she was right. So, in light of that...nothing like the bravado of a few causing danger for the many. We are seeing that the more people mock him the more vindictive he gets on the very subject. He just tightens the screws. He said himself "when somebody screws you screw them back ten times worse" - that is this man's philosophy - and being screwed equals being mocked .... But he won't do any harm if he feels like people love him. Sorry, I don't want to be collateral damage for that when all it would take is some reverse psychology to make everyone happy.

Trump is an Internet troll (Twitter).
 
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