You should watch the documentary "The YES Men" Graeme. It's a hoot.
TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?
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Many who took part in the anti-Trump protests were professional protesters Cousin. Drop the right dime and they'll march in any line.
That's not how it works, Jae. There are "professional" protesters but I think they stay aligned with certain causes and stick to their sides of the fence.
There are often also under cover provocateurs paid by the government in some places, to disrupt peaceful protests that they know of ahead of time.
There are often also under cover provocateurs paid by the government in some places, to disrupt peaceful protests that they know of ahead of time.
I actually feel that there's both Cousin. Yes - some will stay on one side of the fence. Rather ethical, I would say. Others though will protest for anyone.
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I don't know about that one. Why would they want to disrupt peaceful protests?
Jae "agents provocateurs" have been an M.O. for a long time. They want to disrupt peaceful protests that they don't want people protesting about. Usually big issues. They hide amongst real and peaceful protesters, provoke problems, then the authorities have to be brought in to shut it down.
This article calls agents provocateurs a "centuries old tradition", even.
https://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2007/08/25/a_brief_history_of_agents_provocateurs.html
https://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2007/08/25/a_brief_history_of_agents_provocateurs.html
Did not know that.
Graeme Decarie
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Delusions and manipulation are everyday fare. I guess they always have been, though the skill of organizing them has much improved. I thought of that as I watched the opening ceremony of the Daytona 500 today.
It began with a military and patriotic theme - and escort of armed marines marching on the scene with a huge, American flag.
Then there was a Lord's Prayer which concluded by calling on God to bless the American military, the race car drivers, and America. Then there was the usual, vile solo of the U.S. national anthem which ended with a close-up of the marines with their rifles, and a flyover by jet fighters.
It was a blending of faith, nationalism, patriotism, and military power - as though all of those are parts of a whole.
It began with a military and patriotic theme - and escort of armed marines marching on the scene with a huge, American flag.
Then there was a Lord's Prayer which concluded by calling on God to bless the American military, the race car drivers, and America. Then there was the usual, vile solo of the U.S. national anthem which ended with a close-up of the marines with their rifles, and a flyover by jet fighters.
It was a blending of faith, nationalism, patriotism, and military power - as though all of those are parts of a whole.
Graeme Decarie
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"The Yes Men" opens in October?
Luckily, I have nothing but free time in the coming October.
Luckily, I have nothing but free time in the coming October.
One does have to stop and carve out a Jack o' Lantern.
Graeme Decarie
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And it would be just my luck if Hallowe'en were the opening day.
It opened several Octobers ago. Sometime in the past decade. That's an old clip. But it was a hilarious movie...based on real pranks.
Graeme Decarie
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It was way back? sometime in the past decade? Sigh. That's the story of my life.
Well, not 'that' long ago. 2009. It's still available to watch.
Actually there was a more recent sequel in 2014. "The Yes Men are Revolting"
Yes men, No man, maybe men, perhaps wombat 'n men, chaotic thinkers and rare critical thinkers create a quantum domain of the Cosmological Constant that is a large round about ... not a straight line to economic avarice!
Explains the purpose of life as it is ... really a'massed ...
Explains the purpose of life as it is ... really a'massed ...
People like those guys are one of the reasons I love Americans. Canadians, as nice and polite as we are...don't have the same hutzpah. Maybe we'll stomp our feet once we get good and mad...but what's the equivalent of the Yes Men, here? They are really funny. And Stephen Colbert? I guess we have 22 minutes and Rick Mercer but even they are not nearly as brave.
Funny protests - truly witty and smart, not disparaging schoolyard mocking - are really the only effective way to do it anymore, imo.
Somehow, after all the years of being culturally sandwiched between the Americans and the British, our courage and sense of humour got a bit squashed - but they've both still got it.
Funny protests - truly witty and smart, not disparaging schoolyard mocking - are really the only effective way to do it anymore, imo.
Somehow, after all the years of being culturally sandwiched between the Americans and the British, our courage and sense of humour got a bit squashed - but they've both still got it.
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Men in Black? Those well clouded over from lack of knowledge?
Prediction/ speculation: Trump's cabinet and appointees are dropping like flies. Trump is going to realize that he catches more flies with honey than vinegar - maybe it's dawned on him after getting decent reviews on his speech (at least the tone, if not the content) he is going to listen to his more liberal progressive relatives (although I'm aware that they are still business-minded dealers, they are more progressive) and re-organize his administration with more progressive/ dem friendly people and policies. The A listers will love him again, all the 3 million more who voted for Hillary will warm up to him. He'll be in his element. He really wants to be liked by the elite popular people anyway, not struggling down and out middle America. I bet he pretends that his rallies are full of rich and famous.
It's not ideal leadership. It's still a ruse, as politics is. But it would make for an easier 4 yrs until somebody like Bernie comes along again - if Trump, policy wise - hopped the fence to the dem side.
It's not ideal leadership. It's still a ruse, as politics is. But it would make for an easier 4 yrs until somebody like Bernie comes along again - if Trump, policy wise - hopped the fence to the dem side.
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