There's never justification for genocide IMO, but that didn't prevent the US from supplying Turkey during the Clinton administration, with weaponry in the 1990's, that was knowingly used to murder tens of thousands of Kurds without US intervention......why the Kurds would even believe the US would support them when they've betrayed them many times is beyond me.
TRUMP - Some people think......... How do you feel?
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chansen
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Nominally. Not so much in practice.
But again, Erdogan is Trump's friend. Trump admires Erdogan. When Erdogan's thugs attacked and beat up protesters (who were no threat to them) in Washington, DC in May 2017, Trump said nothing. Watch what happened:
This is what Trump admires. Trump admires Erdogan. From that perspective and nominally through NATO, Turkey is an ally. More would disagree, but they aren't President. Even the GOP views Turkey as an enemy. This is going to drive a wedge between Trump and his supporters, and traditional Republicans.
Mendalla
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To anyone familiar with 20th and 21st century history, it should be apparent that the US stopped being the "good guys" a long time ago. They do what they think is in their interest. They promote democracy, but only if it produces a pro-US government that buys their stuff. They happily do business with tyrants and oligarchs as long as they buy their stuff. Let's face it, they would have stayed on the sidelines in WWII for as long as possible had the Japanese not pulled a bonehead move by attacking a US sovereign territory (Hawaii wasn't a state yet in 1941).
That was surreal. In DC!! Not in a movie or some far off village in conflict. Brutal.
Trump should never have been elected and I'm pissed at the half of Americans who voted for him.
In an insane world ... driven by extensive emotions ... how does one conform?
Act a bit crazy! Consider Trumps options as he stands near the edge ... edge that fine thing between total terror of losing and anger of what control that the power push didn't attain! Does this cause panic at the top leading to great rages? Imagine dark clouds on the horizon ...
The old statement that power corrupts ... is it absolute? Thus we regress into the abstract as a sort of incarnate position!
It does separate character development from reputation! Thus repudiated ...
Act a bit crazy! Consider Trumps options as he stands near the edge ... edge that fine thing between total terror of losing and anger of what control that the power push didn't attain! Does this cause panic at the top leading to great rages? Imagine dark clouds on the horizon ...
The old statement that power corrupts ... is it absolute? Thus we regress into the abstract as a sort of incarnate position!
It does separate character development from reputation! Thus repudiated ...
This massive, intentional, blunder and whatever it leads to, Trump owns.
BetteTheRed
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I'm interested that this thread, originated by a now defunct poster, focuses on our "feelings" about the south of the border POTUS. The facts are that our poor southern neighbour continues to deteriorate as any sort of world power.
We should probably be focusing our thinking on this relationship, not our feeling.
We should probably be focusing our thinking on this relationship, not our feeling.
Mrs.Anteater
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Seems to me, they are only deteriorating as pretending to be the “ world police”, - if they now would also stop being the world economic influence, it would actually have some good to it.
More concerning is that the US is not paying their UN dues. The idea of having a “ zone” between Turkey and Syria is not a bad one- it just should be controlled by a neutral power, like the UN , and not by the Turks.
Letting the Kurds handle ISIS sounds to me like it was an easy way out, anyway.
Relationship???? Do such things exist in dominions ruled by grand aggressive activities? This may cause the relationship to blow right on through ...
Graeme Decarie
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Saudi Arabia, the mass murderer in Yemen, is the closest of allies to the U.S.
Trump? This is the man who told the UN in a formal meeting that it should give him the nobel peace prize. This is the man has spent his whole life seeking attention for himself - as in his old TV role. (Why would a man of his wealth so desperately seek public attention?)
No. This man is very, very ill. And the world of psychiatry has made it's decision on that very clear. And it's not just Trump. The U.S. has now been at war without a break for seventy years. And we refuse to see the lesson in that. The billionaires who control the U.S. now make most of their money out of manufacturing weapons and pumping oil. (They have put the survival of the whole world at risk so they can make money out of oil. And Canada has been welcome ground for them as it goes through an election with scarcely a whisper of climate change. -
our billionaires are delighted with the melting of the polar ice cap. That could well open the far north for mining development. duh - well, what happens to all that water? Well, it goes into our oceans which kills the wildlife, and it has already drowned several Pacific islands.
It's not just Trump, of course. The oil boys are planning a huge increase in oil sales to hurry things along.
Is this insanity? Of course it is. If you study history, you soon learn that greed is the insanity that destroys empires. (And it's now destroying the U.S. economy.) It's happened over and over again. Canada's biggest enemy is not Russia or China. it's the Conservative party with the Liberals close behind - and with the NDP and the Greens closer than they should be.
We have been warned thirty years ago and more of what is happening. Now - check out what Canada has (not) done. And it's not just the billionaires, it's the Canadian people who are leading us into the final disaster.
But cheer up. Those reading this should survive
Trump? This is the man who told the UN in a formal meeting that it should give him the nobel peace prize. This is the man has spent his whole life seeking attention for himself - as in his old TV role. (Why would a man of his wealth so desperately seek public attention?)
No. This man is very, very ill. And the world of psychiatry has made it's decision on that very clear. And it's not just Trump. The U.S. has now been at war without a break for seventy years. And we refuse to see the lesson in that. The billionaires who control the U.S. now make most of their money out of manufacturing weapons and pumping oil. (They have put the survival of the whole world at risk so they can make money out of oil. And Canada has been welcome ground for them as it goes through an election with scarcely a whisper of climate change. -
our billionaires are delighted with the melting of the polar ice cap. That could well open the far north for mining development. duh - well, what happens to all that water? Well, it goes into our oceans which kills the wildlife, and it has already drowned several Pacific islands.
It's not just Trump, of course. The oil boys are planning a huge increase in oil sales to hurry things along.
Is this insanity? Of course it is. If you study history, you soon learn that greed is the insanity that destroys empires. (And it's now destroying the U.S. economy.) It's happened over and over again. Canada's biggest enemy is not Russia or China. it's the Conservative party with the Liberals close behind - and with the NDP and the Greens closer than they should be.
We have been warned thirty years ago and more of what is happening. Now - check out what Canada has (not) done. And it's not just the billionaires, it's the Canadian people who are leading us into the final disaster.
But cheer up. Those reading this should survive
A bit of humour ...
www.theguardian.com
Steve Bell on Trump's defence of US troops leaving Syria – cartoon
President justifies the exit of US forces from north-east Syria by saying the Kurds did not help the US in WWII
www.theguardian.com
Comedy...
Mrs.Anteater
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OMG, I don’t understand how the American people are not embarrassed by what comes out of his mouth and on paper. He writes like a third grader ( which probably is not fair to kids in third grade). This letter to Erdogan is not a joke.
There are people that declare there are no mysteries left ... we know all and everything ... and then this happens ... right out of the blue or because no one could see the consequences? (Ci' Eire 's) Some ones ears should be burning ... if only in a pig seer!
chansen
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If you handed that in for some high school government course assignment, you'd fail.
My 12-year-old daughter writes better than the president of the United States. That is not hyperbole.