Transgenderism ..... ask your questions!

[Luce NDs]

"The stag at Eve had drunk his phil (vile; communal assimilation in ignored phon-etics?) ...
Where danced the moon on moo nan's rill!"

And the buck passed got right into this la Deis thing as it appeared not as authority ... but sublime, thus we slip off ... into dream time? A time to give ID a rest ... what's ID ... something related to sensuality out of balance!

Then people have no good sense of the Golden Rule and other things that complex in the human psyche ... an in determinate or severely flipped in presence of the absence of the afore said ... the vaster form of psyche?

Al-ice contrived this as vial ... kohl thing to pack in where the moon don't do its shin-ne ... Chi-ney/neigh? Don't get too close to the pyre or thou will be consumed by what is observed there ... that's the word drawing you into the improbable ... abstract, or just-imagination? One can hope the abstract side exists as this 'elle-ish machine-like side that is denied wisdom by a religious group determined to destroy all knowledge ... it appears they are getting close.

But as the axiom goes ... be cautious of what you oppress ... it could pop up as an alien emotion for to the sides of a humble love for a people broken from eternal traditions ... or how it went in the good old times under the trees, on the mount, or in the meadow as a different hued hoers, a painted, or brushed of thought ... word carrier as a bier!

 

[Luce NDs]

Rill; what's a rye ill-ness but an upcoming passion ... to get naked with other core values ... baring the soul? Like celibate and celibrate ... somebody misspelt and bar 'd thinking and thus the stripped kitty with all the stray thoughts ... Po Bare?

Up chi comes bi as a wee sprout about to flow-Ur ... a vex to mah-in part as isolated as in mahaineim! a oile a'san to pound in de Dan's of making matter, material for de mire-aura? Eu-Rip-a' Dis as you pass over ... the lead to Mede-a? Thus the children fell out ... had to begin thinking on their own ... is a tough Job taking a ifetime, perhaps more if the proto-type fails in the archetypical view ... a broad warped perspective ... according to the flat out ...

Many people cannot think infinitely ... thus life ... as a change is as good as arrest ... as in Moor's Code of dashing and stops .. seize up and observe! That's the spot we're in ... but too many preach the Black Band thingy ... blindness to everything ... po'them soles that wander ... and add meaning to fixated word ... that like an ass is a dumb carrier of a myth miss understood!

The lookers on where eliminated ... as mortal men in cover-up mode, put down wisdom and thus the undercurrent to flowing emotional domains ... and the explanation of inner space in M-Theory that is not different than Fermi's ... if you can make excess connections ... and remain Kohl-Eire than the other side ...

 

[Luce NDs]

You don't believe? Just look around and observe all the missing wisdom ... drifted off in clear space ... a cosmological syntax!

Is that stew PID ... or in transposition of roe and "r" getting rid(e) off IT ... if you can enlarege the "e" you get a capital "E" ... in Grecian tradition a slippery kitty ... that cat floating in de knight ole ... an empty Eire Mour ... from within where the passions for thought attack ... to fool the opposition as incarnation of vile aged fued ... an axiom to blow the mind ... give it arrest?

Now what did that mean? Always present a challenging story for those with denied intelligence ... deep in their subconscious ... if pointed perhaps it can ware something pragmatic thus underscoring the "unseen" whereas the Black Ness goes on and on!

 

[RitaTG]

Why have you singled out me to make such a request of RitaTG. There are many churches represented here. If I were in your place, and felt that I had a pressing issue that needed to be addressed, what I would do is to dialogue with everyone who was willing to. Moreover, I would approach first those I thought most open to having such reflection. I would not begin by targeting churches whom I felt were most antagonistic to such a conversation.

Now why would I choose you .... hmmmmmmm.......
Consider your responses all along ..... going way back......
I am sure that any of the other pastors here would be happy to have me and I am confident they would listen.
Those that are most in the dark need the light the most......
By the way ... I am already in dialogue with the churches that are open.
There are young ones stuck in churches like yours. I will not leave them without help just because the challenge is difficult.
Sincerely .... the request stands.

 

[RitaTG]

... Jenner’s transformation was neither intimate nor personal:
It was a grand, ceremonial, ritualistic event that symbolizes a change in society as a whole.
It was part of the elite’s agenda to debase, confuse and mix up the order of things.
It was about steering away from what is real to move towards the artificial and the constructed.
It was about the feminization of the male and the masculinization of the female.
It was a celebration of men who act like females and females who act like men.

I ... personally do not have a problem with that.
I ... personally DO have a problem with the other side of this agenda

Mass media portrays men and women acting as traditional men and women (who do not feel the need to apologize for it) ... as evil and wrong.
Mass media is heavily focusing on attacking the mind of the youth with messages that lead to unnecessary confusion around excessive sexualization and choice of gender roles.
Mass media, presents Kardashian-Jenner 'reality' as not only desirable but achievable as an all-American product.

... Europe also went through its ritualistic, transgender event.


Conchita Wurst was the winner of Eurovision 2014.
To further confuse everybody (including other transgenders) Conchita wears a beard.

Today’s elite is hell-bent on twisting the minds of our youth with an unhealthy obsession on transgendered media pawns.

I ... personally am not against transgender people who decide to make a change because it makes them happy.
I ... personally am against the exploitation of transgender people to push an Agenda.

The Caitlyn Jenner story was orchestrated to bring specific concepts to the forefront, notably the complete reversal of gender roles.
The elite want the masses (especially the youth) to be completely out of balance ... to keep them confused and malleable and even suicidal.

Caitlyn’s “courage” deemed superior to Lauren Hill (college athlete who played basketball despite an inoperable brain tumor who died this year).

Caitlyn will be the subject of her own reality show … doesn't get more 'personal' than that!

My goodness ..... I hardly know where to begin RitaUnDefinative!
Again I will try and reiterate my core position in a bit different way so perhaps it will be more clearly understood.
Maybe this will help ......
........ Do you have to pass some moral test to enter the womens washroom?
......... Do we deny a person their womanhood because of grandstanding or selfishness?
....... What is the moral test one must pass in order to claim their womanhood?
I would submit that these issues have nothing to do with whether one is a woman or not.
Now as to motive and result ..... why prejudge???? ..... I would suggest that sitting back and seeing what unfolds would be the more honourable and fair thing to do.
Now as for Conchita ....... I ask this ...... have you ever listened to her?
I would recommend that you do .... before pronouncing judgement......
Elites .... yes ... the big scary boogiemen of elites .....
Nameless faceless wisps of the imagination ....
Great for ghost stories around the summer campfire I suppose.
Please ... if you can ..... some names and faces of at least a few of these elites???

 

[Jaebius]

Now why would I choose you .... hmmmmmmm.......
Consider your responses all along ..... going way back......
I am sure that any of the other pastors here would be happy to have me and I am confident they would listen.
Those that are most in the dark need the light the most......
By the way ... I am already in dialogue with the churches that are open.
There are young ones stuck in churches like yours. I will not leave them without help just because the challenge is difficult.
Sincerely .... the request stands.

Perhaps some of the other Christian leaders could share with me about the nature of the dialogues you have been having with their churches.

How about it @revjohn @revsdd and anyone else? How have your church conversations with RitaTG been going?

 

[Luce NDs]

Actually in the RIT'ng of undefinitives in a real world that believes it knows the answers to everything ... even the hues of d' elites as spread ... Lord Rutherford said that d 'elites seem to come from everywhere all thinking they are ideally moral when they are mostly immoral in forgetting the Golden Rule ... a dualism in a'mon o' church ... Unthinkable! Causes a' chaos in the disagreement about agreement (agreement about disagreeing?) rational-irrationality as a bonding of the emotional intellect?

Why creation included questionable, but divine sects that could make you ask what's that fore ... an aphorism? Puzzling .. Samson named it a rid Dell ... Bung ID! Thus the bare elle was arrested as Sah Rae ... an individual should love them all for what you could gather from the alien (Sam Aryan?).

I'm not sure as I observe the behaviour of authoritarian rolling models ... movers as viewed from a rest point? They could roll right over yah as uncaring trains of emotions freed of capable ingenuity!

One should get sum ... and thus resolve the schism in safe coupling of wee particles in space ... stared us'T right in the I ... possibly scaring d e'ites of me when dropping de 'el dere ... comes apart as an Ignatius or hump'n de on Qui ... some say de onkie ... an icon from de archetype? .. archetypical PAC man going with h's sock a tricks ... inde lite of wee zaa X heh is ... little-big man when distraught by whoa man ... sometimes these souls get scattered and confused by excess authority!

D Gabbledon say you must read a pile to get a taste or brush 've the abstract ... imagination ... aK iss of that which appears as it isn't ... spiritual manifestation of sole singularity? Word of God on this that most will not ass Emu late ... immaterial in de psyche phase ... intangible ... sou as incorruptible to immortal ... a small coin of value?

 

[Luce NDs]

Why does authoritarian belief think they can screw every dumb ass? Too much emotion without (sans) Q-loos ... but bi liable roués ... po' folk are not supposed to know enough to speak. Such evil thoughts are contagious ... why Scoot Peck said evil should be dealt with from afar ... or in piles of mental sears ... thus the heat ... the love of annealing irony so it can be hammered out ... not possible while outside ... but that's the safe place for observations ... arms length? Some day all will answer the charges of not vast understanding of the myth ... after all the axiom is ... man know thy's elf ... that's the word!

Yet we keep eliminating the thin king demon as I beholden ... cloes to the heart but not excessive ... needs spatial domains for breathing ... d'eire!

 

[revjohn]

How about it @revjohn How have your church conversations with RitaTG been going?

Fair question.

Waterford United Church is not in conversation with RitaTG or anyone else. Why not?

Well for starters, we are just three years past a congregational vote which changed our Church wedding policy to include same-gender marriages. I apparently created a minor stir among colleagues when I wouldn't permit the half-way measure many congregations have adopted which is, Same-sex marriages are permitted by the Pastoral Charge but not in the Sanctuary of the Church. I find that more hypocrisy than I do compromise.

And since that vote it has taken three years to get a request and they already have clergy lined up so we have to navigate the etiquette involved in that.

I didn't expect that there would be a huge rush to our sanctuary in the wake of our decision. Norfolk County is still Tory Blue provincially and federally which means that there are pockets of olde tyme prejudice lurking about like rattlesnakes. Which are safest if left well alone. Unsurprisingly that decision was not without cost. We lost one family as a result of that decision (lost two over GC-41's Israeli Occupied Boycott Call), on the whole the congregation is okay with homosexuality even if they aren't comfortable with it. Not uncommon when you spend more time thinking about the mechanics involved rather than the emotion being expressed.

Quite frankly Transgender issues are not visible on our radar. If a member of the congregation is wrestling with their gender identity it is not a public fight and we aren't sniffing around trying to "out" somebody who doesn't want that at the moment. We appear to have more desire to treat people as people rather than objects, be that object a trophy to be displayed or trash to be rejected.

What I will say is this, the moment it pops up on our radar, the moment this community takes notice of transgendered individuals in their midst I wouldn't hesitate to contact RitaTG or lift her up to this congregation as a resource that we could use.

Rural ON is not as safe a space for "different" however "different" is defined. Downtown Toronto may not be safe space either. It is generally understood to be safer space and has been for years.

What will not be happening in Waterford, at least while I have some say over the pulpit and what is preached from it, is goode ol'Fashioned sin bashing. There is no art to that at all nor is there generally much love attached. We do not avoid sin here. We refuse to make it central. You can't preach grace if you refuse to acknowledge sin. That said, I don't invest a lot of energy in defining specific sins I devote myself to unpacking the amazing splendour of grace and relishing in the scandal that grace represents.

Inviting RitaTG in would be educational. Of that I have no doubt. The trick would be how to use that education and I think optically speaking, until this part of the province becomes more accepting of what is "different" those who qualify as "different" like to keep their heads low.

Sitting right next door to the Six Nations and New Credit of the Delaware Reservations our attention this week has been a little more focused on our relationship with those neighbours. Some of whom make their spiritual home with us here in Waterford.

 

[revsdd]

Perhaps some of the other Christian leaders could share with me about the nature of the dialogues you have been having with their churches.

How about it@revsdd and anyone else? How have your church conversations with RitaTG been going?

For myself, I'm in transition at the moment. Here's the situation.

Transgender issues specifically have not been on the agenda at either congregation, where I am or where I'm going as far as I know. From what I've seen on here I believe that RitaTG would bring a worthwhile voice to a conversation on the issue if such a discussion were to be held. Neither congregation to the best of my knowledge is looking for such a conversation, because transgender issues have been much less visible than, for example, same sex marriage. On that issue ...

My current church has a policy of not performing same sex marriages. That policy was set about 12 years ago, before my arrival here. It was the result from what I've heard of a very long and mostly respectful debate which ended with a statement something along the lines of "after careful consideration and prayer our belief is that God intended for marriage to be between a man and a woman." Even having the debate meant that a few people left the congregation from what I understand. In the almost 11 years that I've been here the congregation has changed a great deal. Some have left, some have died, others have come in. I think the result of a vote now would be to offer same sex marriage, but it would be a serious debate and there would be some strong opposition and a likely split.

The congregation I'm going to had a long time of discernment on the issue of same sex marriage and on becoming an affirming congregation. In the end the congregation voted to offer same sex marriage without condition, but did not have the required three quarters majority to become affirming. (From what I've heard the vote was something like 63% in favour of becoming affirming.) I tend to be in agreement with the congregation on both issues (ie, to offer same sex marriage, but to decline becoming a member of Affirm United.)

 

[Ritafee]

Bait And Switch: How Same Sex Marriage Ends Family Autonomy
The goal isn't equality - it's abolishing an institution.
By Stella Morabito

Abolishing all civil marriage is the primary goal of the elites who have been pushing same sex marriage. The scheme called “marriage equality” is not an end in itself, and never really has been.

The LGBT agenda has spawned too many other disparate agendas hostile to the existence of marriage, making marriage “unsustainable,” if you will. By now we should be able to hear the growing drumbeat to abolish civil marriage, as well as to legalize polygamy and all manner of reproductive technologies.

The sudden LGBT push globally, especially in Africa, should give us pause as well. Why the abrupt shove into poor countries, threatening to cut off aid unless they comply with such a massive cultural shift and adopt the Western LGBT agenda? Why the laser focus on Uganda and Malawi instead of places like Iran where abuses of homosexuals are likely just as common?

We are witnessing a major strategy to export gay marriage – and all it entails for the abolition of marriage — worldwide. President Obama and Secretary of State Kerry have made an example of Uganda by threatening to cut off its aid over the existence of its anti-sodomy laws. Other developing nations are expected to take note and fall into line, creating a cascade effect until any other nation who resists will feel the noose tightening.

We might reasonably ask why this particular agenda is getting so much attention while the world goes to hell in a hand basket. Syria is overrun with vicious terrorist gangs at least as bad as its president. Russia is flexing its muscles, having just invaded the Ukraine and Crimea. Christians are being exterminated in record numbers throughout the Middle East. We’re looking at nuclear weapons in Iran. There’s a nuclear threat from North Korea, which not only starves its own people but is run by a guy who, it was said, feeds his political enemies to starving dogs. And yet President Obama and Secretary of State Kerry have been spending special quality time focusing on the LGBT agenda in in the poor countries of Africa?

Clearly the Western LGBT agenda represents a new brand of cultural imperialism that is not content to shape life at home, but intends to propagate itself – and all it entails – worldwide.

The hard push for marriage equality was never about marriage. Neither was it about equality. It’s a convenient vehicle to abolish civil marriage, whether to rid the world of paternalism, evade responsibility for children, “privatize” relationships, or whatever. Abolishing marriage strips the family of its autonomy by placing it much more directly under the regulating control of the state.

Once the state no longer has to recognize the marriage relationship and its presumption of privilege and privacy, we all become atomized individuals in the eyes of the state, officially strangers to one another. We lose the space – the buffer zone – that the institution of the natural, organic family previously gave us and that forced the state to keep its distance.

 

[RitaTG]

RitaUnDefinative ........ WOW!!!!
That is quite a bewildering conspiracy theory.....
Somehow this must be tied to the peanut butter industry somehow.
That Mr. Peanut is quite the elitist ..... and there is that imperialistic agenda to force peanuts down the throat of every child and imperil the lives of many.
You just may be on to something

 

[chansen]

Bait And Switch: How Same Sex Marriage Ends Family Autonomy
The goal isn't equality - it's abolishing an institution.
By Stella Morabito

Abolishing all civil marriage is the primary goal of the elites who have been pushing same sex marriage. The scheme called “marriage equality” is not an end in itself, and never really has been.

[ensuing insanity snipped]

OMFG.

 

[revsdd]

RitaUnDefinative ........ WOW!!!!
That is quite a bewildering conspiracy theory.....
Somehow this must be tied to the peanut butter industry somehow.
That Mr. Peanut is quite the elitist ..... and there is that imperialistic agenda to force peanuts down the throat of every child and imperil the lives of many.
You just may be on to something

Peanuts and same sex marriage work together as the means by which Western, Christian civilization will be destroyed. It's true. It's all part of Satan's plan, and we've fallen before it. I know this because I read it somewhere. Maybe it was the Book of Revelation. Or was it in the Questions of St. Bartholomew? Or something by Pat Robertson or Hal Lindsey. That's it. It was Hal Lindsey. Peanut butter and same sex marriage. Hal Lindsey. Peanut butter and same sex marriage. It's hopeless. We're lost.

 

[Luce NDs]

Both tacky situations when sandwiched between the bread of spirit and the bread of soul ... ground up seed?

 

[Ritafee]

 

[BetteTheRed]

I don't know why I can't like anything today, so I'll just paraphrase chansen,

wtf? ffs?

 

[Jaebius]

Peanuts and same sex marriage work together as the means by which Western, Christian civilization will be destroyed. It's true. It's all part of Satan's plan, and we've fallen before it. I know this because I read it somewhere. Maybe it was the Book of Revelation. Or was it in the Questions of St. Bartholomew? Or something by Pat Robertson or Hal Lindsey. That's it. It was Hal Lindsey. Peanut butter and same sex marriage. Hal Lindsey. Peanut butter and same sex marriage. It's hopeless. We're lost.

You people are so wonderfully naive. The issue isn't with peanut butter. It's with the peanuts themselves. The government has been genetically modifying them for years now.

 

[Ritafee]

OMFG wtf ffs ?? Spell it out for me please ... are these more acronyms for sexual orientation ? Am I supposed to know what they mean?

 

[Ritafee]

You people are so wonderfully naive. The issue isn't with peanut butter. It's with the peanuts themselves. The government has been genetically modifying them for years now.

That just cannot be true Pr. Jae ... why would a government do that?