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chansen said:
Don't be disingenuous. I wrote "expected" to show up. Not a meeting in an empty building with a couple of people.

Notice also how we went from:

To:

Sadly, that is their best course of action, not to allow a transgendered person to speak or answer questions with the congregation. They know that allowing their members to meet Rita can only backfire.
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You make quite a valid point chansen.....
I must say is a weird way there is a gratifying aspect to this....
At one time it was I and others like me that were afraid to have to answer....
We were even afraid of where we would be allowed to go for a pee when out in public.
Now it is some of the churches that are afraid to dialogue ........
My how times are changing!!!! LOL
Anyways .... my offer to Jae is genuine and I would be very gentle but definite and firm.
 
Turning an "other" into a real human being is dangerous. It blows apart preconceived dogma and stigma. Gads, it even promotes understanding. Is that what we want? Is that what Jesus did? *sarcasmalert :confused:
 
RitaTG said:
At one time it was I and others like me that were afraid to have to answer....
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That's a really good observation. Now it's the other side who are scared.

Northwind said:
Turning an "other" into a real human being is dangerous. It blows apart preconceived dogma and stigma. Gads, it even promotes understanding. Is that what we want? Is that what Jesus did? *sarcasmalert :confused:
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Worth repeating.
 
RitaTG said:
You make quite a valid point chansen.....
I must say is a weird way there is a gratifying aspect to this....
At one time it was I and others like me that were afraid to have to answer....
We were even afraid of where we would be allowed to go for a pee when out in public.
Now it is some of the churches that are afraid to dialogue ........
My how times are changing!!!! LOL
Anyways .... my offer to Jae is genuine and I would be very gentle but definite and firm.
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Rita - I'm open to meeting with you sometime this summer if we're both free. I don't have the authority to give you a speaking place before the congregation of which I'm a member.
 
You could ask. You're even a deacon.

But, you know what the answer will be. In a moment of weakness, you even told us. They will not allow it.

They can't allow it. Having Rita speak to the congregation directly can not go well. At best, she is ignored. At worst, she is heard.
 
Goodness Jae ...... I know you cannot give me a speaking place in front of the congregation....
That is not what I have asked for at all. ....... Let me be very clear.....
I am asking that you invite along some of your church leadership and some leadership from your school to join us out somewhere for a nice friendly meeting. That way we are safely on neutral ground so to speak and there is no issue with the church seeming in some way to support me by having me meet them on their premises.
I would suggest a nice lunch somewhere ..... a very gentle and non threatening place......
I do hope that is clear now...... so please ..... extend my invitation to them.
I am even willing to do two such meetings separately if you are uncomfortable sitting at a table with the leadership of your church and or school along with myself.
I do want to meet them and you ..... could you please extend the invitation to them as I have explained it to you?
Thank you ...... I look forward to the meetings!
Regards
Rita
 
People are afraid to stand up and ask ... as an ethic ... for fear of the moral attitude ... a' posteriori as revelation? Hoo'd bolt that?

Enough to cause regress or recession into a stone as MU'sis before god ... or cool Ness prior to the stone!

Then are there are religious premises that say don't question God? That's everything ... to an infinite extent!

Romans an Jude'ns rejected the concept of infinite or nut'n ... screwing up in public is frowned upon by those demanding perfection ...
 
RitaTG said:
Goodness Jae ...... I know you cannot give me a speaking place in front of the congregation....
That is not what I have asked for at all. ....... Let me be very clear.....
I am asking that you invite along some of your church leadership and some leadership from your school to join us out somewhere for a nice friendly meeting. That way we are safely on neutral ground so to speak and there is no issue with the church seeming in some way to support me by having me meet them on their premises.
I would suggest a nice lunch somewhere ..... a very gentle and non threatening place......
I do hope that is clear now...... so please ..... extend my invitation to them.
I am even willing to do two such meetings separately if you are uncomfortable sitting at a table with the leadership of your church and or school along with myself.
I do want to meet them and you ..... could you please extend the invitation to them as I have explained it to you?
Thank you ...... I look forward to the meetings!
Regards
Rita
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We will see Rita. It isn't something I will plan to do in the immediate future.
 
Right. You're busy, and I get that. Seriously.

Also, the rest of your church leadership will look at you like you've lost your marbles. At best.
 
Jae's hands are tied. Any well-intentioned query on his part would be predictably vetoed by his church, and would bring his beliefs into question. He is trying hard not to make it look that way, but it's obvious.

The only way he might pull this off, is to sell it as an opportunity to teach you, not an opportunity for them to understand better.
 
Interesting thoughts chansen ......
I don't care how Jae sells it ....... an opportunity to teach me ..... sure .... I am open to learning ..... that would do....
Here is another way ......
Jae could give me the contact information for someone at his church and for someone at his school and I would make the offer myself. Of course I would carefully protect Jae's privacy because I do understand that he would feel shamed for having known me. I understand shame ..... I lived in shame for such a long time .....
There .... we have a few workable options and neither of which takes more than just a few minutes of Jae's time. Hopefully the issue and also myself are worth a few minutes.
 
I don't doubt you are worth his time. Is it worth it to him to appear sympathetic toward your cause? How would it affect him?
 
The President of Tyndale University and Seminary is Gary V. Nelson.

They don't give a personal contact for President Nelson on the Tyndale page but if you sent something addressed to him at their general contact e-mail it would be forwarded.

contact@tyndale.ca
 
Taking a stand is supposed to be a christian virtue and duty as far as I understand it chansen.
Further ... my understanding was that we were supposed to put what is right before our own reputation.
But then again I am but a novice with only some 32 years of evangelical church teaching and experience.....
There seems to be quite a number of things I misunderstood.
 
I've never met Gary.

My wife has worked with his in Tyndale's Education department. Interestingly she is still listed as adjunct faculty.
 
revjohn said:
Interestingly she is still listed as adjunct faculty.
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"Adjunct Faculty", IME, is a rather nebulous term meaning anything from occasional sessional instructors to music faculty tutors to doctors supervising interns and residents in teaching hospitals.
 
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