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Pr. Jae said:
Where he might not be welcome to preach are in churches of denominations like the UCCanada, since he neither carries academic degrees nor is a certified lay leader.
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Having lay preached in the UCCan, and preached sermons that in at least one case I was able to reuse largely unchanged in a UU pulpit, I can safely say this is not the case. And I know at least a couple of the UCCan churches I've been to around here use lay pulpit supply on occasion. He would not be able to hold a paid accountable ministry position in the UCCan, that is true, but that does not mean he would not be able to preach.

 
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Actually the UCCan does use lay leadership quite often. My congregation and Presbytery have used lay leadership regularly. In fact we have a few designated lay ministers who are the ministers of their congregation. Jae is basing his prejudiced attack on misinformation.

So, back to the topic at hand..........
 
Northwind said:
Actually the UCCan does use lay leadership quite often. My congregation and Presbytery have used lay leadership regularly. In fact we have a few designated lay ministers who are the ministers of their congregation. Jae is basing his prejudiced attack on misinformation.

So, back to the topic at hand..........
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No "attack" intended.
 
Pr. Jae said:
If someone just on a whim sincerely wanted to amputate their legs - I would advise that person to seek counseling, yes.

Jesus would be welcome to come and preach in our church. Where he might not be welcome to preach are in churches of denominations like the UCCanada, since he neither carries academic degrees nor is a certified lay leader.
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Any UCC I`ve been connected with occasionally invites a guest speaker who is neither ordained nor a certified lay leader. The most recent guest speaker at my home congregation was the Governor General.
Many UCC congregations occasionally have a lay service where a church member or the UCW or even the children lead the worship.
 
RitaTG said:
I am not so willing to let you off the hook so easily Jae .....
I have been very open, complete, and candid.... I ask the same of you.....
Now .... what sort of counselling would your church propose/require?
And what is your position regarding that counselling? ... do you endorse it???
In plain definite language please ..... I do hope you can stand up for what you believe ...... I have.....
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The counselling would be reparative therapy. As to whether or not I would support - if they choose to get such counselling, who am I to say otherwise.
 
At any rate, as I believe I've stated, I'm only guessing here. We've never had a trans person come to our church.
 
If a man has a mind, or psyche (defined as a ephemeral in classic wisdom) would this hint at a man being impure and having a bit of the grandmother in hymn and thus the nature of mortal men's whining to get their mates to mudder 'M? Such is the corruption involved during intimate intercourse ... that may befouled exchange of numb information ... at that time when you're struck senseless! Is this emotional impact of winds opposing stormy winds of gods?

Thus the piece went into the medium and peace ensued during the night as a reversal of the bump ... a' Knock. or just Enoch? :eek:
 
Pr. Jae said:
Jesus would be welcome to come and preach in our church. Where he might not be welcome to preach are in churches of denominations like the UCCanada, since he neither carries academic degrees nor is a certified lay leader.
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Preaching is not considered a sacrament by The United Church of Canada. Therefore, academic degrees and certification would not be necessary.

What would be necessary is an invitation. The United Church of Canada does not have open pulpit Sundays where anyone who wants to preach can just step and say whatever comes to mind.

Oh wait, you weren't being serious were you? You were being spurious.
 
Is J' Sue a dark vision of the prior indication (sign) of je suis as I am in Gael IHC? That later became a Franc expletive ... as the curve of de river Pi Sun ... melts the po' man fertilizer ... a snow job as challenge to relating to uprisings indu spring ... dissonance or Eris of all that is a cover up of de mire! Tis a well rounded fabrication like Lady Chatter Lies Buddha ... buddy?:whistle:
 
Our language is loaded with metaphors .. possibly why some brute forces hate to carry any variety ... even if thought is lighter than emotional baggage that can cause depression, pits and de Nous is!
 
Pr. Jae said:
The counselling would be reparative therapy. As to whether or not I would support - if they choose to get such counselling, who am I to say otherwise.
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Thank you for a direct clear reply ... much appreciated ......
You have addressed the church requirement and the issue of a person that desires to engage in reparative therapy.
Now .... one final question ..... as a church leader ...... do you endorse the church requirement to submit to reparative therapy????
Now if I may .... my request regarding your church ...or any other for that matter.... is not to preach at all. My request is not to address the general congregation at all. What I want to do is to have a discussion with the church leadership. I want to get the issue on the table so to speak ...... start the conversation ..... inspire the need to sincerely investigate and address this issue.
I feel that is a respectful and gentle way that in no way exposes the congregation under their care to ideas they do not endorse. That is what I feel called to do.....
I hope that helps ...... perhaps the leadership even a church like yours would dare to carefully listen.
 
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Pr. Jae said:
At any rate, as I believe I've stated, I'm only guessing here. We've never had a trans person come to our church.
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There is the problem isn't it???? Unseen ........
And what of the families that have someone like that? Even though that trans person does not go to your church?
What you teach and the attitude you send them off into Monday with the trans person will live with the effects....
Please ..... saying "I don't see any" seems to be like hiding ones eyes and going to the other side of the road to go around the person that is hurting. Seems to me there is a scripture somewhere like that....
 
RitaTG said:
Thank you for a direct clear reply ... much appreciated ......
Now if I may .... my request regarding your church ...or any other for that matter.... is not to preach at all. My request is not to address the general congregation at all. What I want to do is to have a discussion with the church leadership. I want to get the issue on the table so to speak ...... start the conversation ..... inspire the need to sincerely investigate and address this issue.
I feel that is a respectful and gentle way that in no way exposes the congregation under their care to ideas they do not endorse. That is what I feel called to do.....
I hope that helps ...... perhaps the leadership even a church like yours would dare carefully listen.
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Rita, I never said anything about preaching. Whatever would be said to the couple (recall that we were discussing a specific case) would be said privately, probably over coffee. I would not be involved in the conversation. You make a fair request, though I doubt those in the evangelical community will agree to such dialogue.
 
RitaTG said:
There is the problem isn't it???? Unseen ........
And what of the families that have someone like that? Even though that trans person does not go to your church?
What you teach and the attitude you send them off into Monday with the trans person will live with the effects....
Please ..... saying "I don't see any" seems to be like hiding ones eyes and going to the other side of the road to go around the person that is hurting. Seems to me there is a scripture somewhere like that....
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Hiding one's eyes? No, it's just an accurate report. I've never met a transgendered person in real life.
 
Rita thank you for your grace and generosity in addressing this topic. I apologize for adding to the derail.
 
Northwind said:
How do you know you've never met a transgendered person?
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That's a valid question. Let me restate. In real life I've never met anyone who I could identify as being transgendered based on their appearance, nor have I met someone who self-identified to me as being transgendered.
 
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