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Mendalla said:
There's been a huge blowup that's being discussed by trans folks I follow on Twitter. African writer Chimimanda Ngozi Adichie is getting serious grief over remarks suggesting that transwomen enjoy "male privilege" and are therefore to be treated differently from ciswomen. A lot of transwomen who've suffered persecution question the whole idea that they enjoy privilege relative to white ciswomen. Of course, race is getting dragged into the whole thing as well, since there's also a big issue around feminism being dominated by "white privilege".

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2...ie-nothing-to-apologise-for-transgender-women

A trans response:

https://theestablishment.co/what-trans-women-have-is-far-more-complicated-than-male-privilege-a39af51fde62#.2yxcbqaht
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In short, humanity is driven by brute force and gentility has to be out there ...
 
Mendalla said:
There's been a huge blowup that's being discussed by trans folks I follow on Twitter. African writer Chimimanda Ngozi Adichie is getting serious grief over remarks suggesting that transwomen enjoy "male privilege" and are therefore to be treated differently from ciswomen. A lot of transwomen who've suffered persecution question the whole idea that they enjoy privilege relative to white ciswomen. Of course, race is getting dragged into the whole thing as well, since there's also a big issue around feminism being dominated by "white privilege".

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2...ie-nothing-to-apologise-for-transgender-women

A trans response:

https://theestablishment.co/what-tr...d-than-male-privilege-a39af51fde62#.2yxcbqaht
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Thank you for the articles Mendalla ......
Good grief .... how I wish I got some of this male privilege......
In short here is the truth of the matter:
..... a trans woman is treated as less than a cisgendered woman ... and even more so after having "the operation".
The intersectionality between race and transgenderism multiplies the problem enormously.
I wish we could quit bickering about who has the appearance of more privilege than someone else and instead focus on moving society towards the day things are more equitable.
I am not saying we should ignore or minimize the issues and yes the issues need to be exposed, explained, and understood.
Then it is time for action to move forward and that not out of a heart of bitterness. Nothing good ever comes of that.
This is what I focus on and do every day.
Thank you so much for the post
Rita
 
WE must bear with the mono view on equity as we live in the domain of emotions ... where avarice rules ... later we escape --- Freud!

Bipolar is not a split decision ... it is dis ease ...until out of here an co joined with your other sol that is presently beyond us ... yet to come? With prescience ... this shall expand into omniscience ... but some (the isolated) do not believe anything with the word science in it! This is the opposing Jesus syndrome of the beta than thou host ...

It is not a virtue of fact as manmade facts are delusionary, as they feel it is best if the common folks don't know and thus are indoctrinated in naiveté ... it seems natural as a blind sided ness ...
 
Mendalla said:
There's been a huge blowup that's being discussed by trans folks I follow on Twitter. African writer Chimimanda Ngozi Adichie is getting serious grief over remarks suggesting that transwomen enjoy "male privilege" and are therefore to be treated differently from ciswomen. A lot of transwomen who've suffered persecution question the whole idea that they enjoy privilege relative to white ciswomen. Of course, race is getting dragged into the whole thing as well, since there's also a big issue around feminism being dominated by "white privilege".

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2...ie-nothing-to-apologise-for-transgender-women

A trans response:

https://theestablishment.co/what-tr...d-than-male-privilege-a39af51fde62#.2yxcbqaht
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Another example that it pays to listen first before speaking. Especially if you haven't walked inthose shoes yourself.
 
I believe that Rita is taking a break from WC2, but maybe someone else can shed some light on the problem around pronouns.
I attended an information session held by someone who worked with trans kids and put herself somewhere into the category between male and female, mentioning asexual at some point. " She" was visibly female looking and would have been spontaneously be called "she" by others. M. spoke about that the trans kids get to choose the pronoun they want to be called by. M. asked to be called " they" rather than "she". It seems to me a new discussion started by LGBTQ rights.

I find this brings up a lot of questions. It almost calls for change of basic features in english language, as one cannot assume ones gender anymore just from looks, therefore a gender neutral pronoun needs to become new normal. For me, " they" just doesn't sound right, as it is plural- and it can't be used in general without causing confusion if one is talking about one or more.
I think, linguistic professors need to do some thinking about this.
What do you think?
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
I believe that Rita is taking a break from WC2, but maybe someone else can shed some light on the problem around pronouns.
I attended an information session held by someone who worked with trans kids and put herself somewhere into the category between male and female, mentioning asexual at some point. " She" was visibly female looking and would have been spontaneously be called "she" by others. M. spoke about that the trans kids get to choose the pronoun they want to be called by. M. asked to be called " they" rather than "she". It seems to me a new discussion started by LGBTQ rights.

I find this brings up a lot of questions. It almost calls for change of basic features in english language, as one cannot assume ones gender anymore just from looks, therefore a gender neutral pronoun needs to become new normal. For me, " they" just doesn't sound right, as it is plural- and it can't be used in general without causing confusion if one is talking about one or more.
I think, linguistic professors need to do some thinking about this.
What do you think?
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This "choose your own pronoun" thing is nonsense that many liberals seem to have bought into - be they trans or not. If, however, it's to become the rule, I shall choose the pronoun "celestial."
 
Ze celestial is let by the Z-igma for integral and all are gathered within the circle to be observed by outsiders ... a kind of OBI ...
 
Honestly? It is not like the English language is a static thing. When was the last time you heard someone use "thee" and "thou" outside a theatre or church (or Thor comic)? The guy(s) who wrote Beowulf wouldn't even understand what we are saying and Chaucer is iffy for most modern English speakers. New or changing grammar, usage, and meanings for words in English has been the norm, not the exception, for the entire history of the language. This is just one more such change.
 
If you plan to force people to call you by some name that you choose so that you will not be offended, it should be common courtesy to tattoo that name to your forehead in Ariel or some other easy to read font. We can't all read minds.
 
There was a dust-up at one of our local universities a while back about pronoun use. One prof did not wish to engage ... it was rather ugly & got some press. Don't recall the outcome of it, if there actually was one.


If I'm uncertain, I'll usually ask the person how they wish to be addressed, rather than assume. To me this is the respectful route to go.

I agree with Mendalla - language changes over time. Not a big issue to me.
 
It's a bit of archaic English that "they" must be plural. It's been used informally as a gender neutral pronoun for some time.

At our church, I've suggested, as new name tags are requested, that underneath the name, the person's pronouns of choice be printed. (The idea came via the ever-wonderful Richard Bott, by the way.)

So my name tag would read:

BetteTheRed M____________

(Pronouns: she, her, hers)

We have not yet worked out what to do about the washrooms, especially since we don't have a single washroom that we can designate as "disabled/gender neutral" as seems to be the current public trend. My current suggestion is "Female-Identified" and "Male-Identified" or, for Pete's sake, "Stalls" and "Urinals"...
 
BetteTheRed said:
It's a bit of archaic English that "they" must be plural. It's been used informally as a gender neutral pronoun for some time.
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At seminary we're supposed to keep our writing as gender-neutral as possible, so that means quite often using "they" in the singular.

BetteTheRed said:
At our church, I've suggested, as new name tags are requested, that underneath the name, the person's pronouns of choice be printed. (The idea came via the ever-wonderful Richard Bott, by the way.)

So my name tag would read:

BetteTheRed M____________

(Pronouns: she, her, hers)
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Interesting. I think this is a bit much. If someone looks like a she, call them she. If someone looks like a he, call them he. They can correct if need be.

BetteTheRed said:
We have not yet worked out what to do about the washrooms, especially since we don't have a single washroom that we can designate as "disabled/gender neutral" as seems to be the current public trend. My current suggestion is "Female-Identified" and "Male-Identified" or, for Pete's sake, "Stalls" and "Urinals"...
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At my former church the washrooms were designated "MEN" and "WOMEN." At my church before there was one washroom with no label and one designated "[Handicapped Symbol]"
 
Pontifex Geronimo 13 said:
If you plan to force people to call you by some name that you choose so that you will not be offended, it should be common courtesy to tattoo that name to your forehead in Ariel or some other easy to read font. We can't all read minds.
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Mind you that is a sacred scheme ... a conspiracy for unknowing ... and thus that thought went down the tube once know as a profound well or fount of wise dumb!

Some are isolated like the last man standing syn'd Rome ...
 
Carolla said:
There was a dust-up at one of our local universities a while back about pronoun use. One prof did not wish to engage ... it was rather ugly & got some press. Don't recall the outcome of it, if there actually was one.


If I'm uncertain, I'll usually ask the person how they wish to be addressed, rather than assume. To me this is the respectful route to go.

I agree with Mendalla - language changes over time. Not a big issue to me.
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Jesus was a tye breaker though ... as if magi ... King James English was spoken in Palestine 1600 years earlier than conceived?

Long gest Asians ...
 
BetteTheRed said:
It's a bit of archaic English that "they" must be plural. It's been used informally as a gender neutral pronoun for some time.

At our church, I've suggested, as new name tags are requested, that underneath the name, the person's pronouns of choice be printed. (The idea came via the ever-wonderful Richard Bott, by the way.)

So my name tag would read:

BetteTheRed M____________

(Pronouns: she, her, hers)

We have not yet worked out what to do about the washrooms, especially since we don't have a single washroom that we can designate as "disabled/gender neutral" as seems to be the current public trend. My current suggestion is "Female-Identified" and "Male-Identified" or, for Pete's sake, "Stalls" and "Urinals"...
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In witch to put the mue-Ls? Donkeys chasing mills that grind out winds! Key to stopping that mille ... quiet down time ... and thus we slip ... sliding away in aspirations of escape ... thus thye go with the "E" of "chi" attached as internalized pyre ... tis a Greek song and Dan's theme ... heart w-armer .. to get over the kohl desperation! W-armer; omega ... protection ... misspelt is the skin lost across time ... de Eire demi urge to do something against thought ... mental conflict? Tis half a' thought!

Don't expect humans to be reasonable ... as they are the primary cause of fault ... is to be humanly divined ... thus schism ... and later they become mire schist ... a fall back into the earth zone ... as virtue stoned ... a' fixation .. with some a' gnostic theory ... as we really don't know much ... was fore ordained in biblical sense of knowledge being obstructive to Gods and passions thereof as they flamed out.

Where's the out when in cited? Does that describe a half thought love or just Half Blood Blues ... twas a good read! Anybody read it?
 
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I'm struggling between using 'they' as a plural, as I was taught in elementary school and have used it for 70 years, and
using it as a gender neutral pronoun. I think that if it continues the trend of being gender neutral I will gradually get used to it and eventually it will become normal useage for me.
 
Jae said:
At seminary we're supposed to keep our writing as gender-neutral as possible, so that means quite often using "they" in the singular.



Interesting. I think this is a bit much. If someone looks like a she, call them she. If someone looks like a he, call them he. They can correct if need be.



At my former church the washrooms were designated "MEN" and "WOMEN." At my church before there was one washroom with no label and one designated "[Handicapped Symbol]"
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Handicapped washrooms ... when constipated, seized or "it" just won't wash out ...?
 
Seeler said:
I'm struggling between using 'they' as a plural, as I was taught in elementary school and have used it for 70 years, and
using it as a gender neutral pronoun. I think that if it continues the trend of being gender neutral I will gradually get used to it and eventually it will become normal useage for me.
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Thye is they in old process when they were just to lazy to add the Greek Icon "Ξ" (Xi) that may transform to that Zae over there ... and thus she was apprehended! And by thy goodness of alien communication they conceived strange things ... as paired demi urge --- a theological indeterminate term!
 
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