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@RitaTG , so much going on in your life. I know the community cares about you. I do hope that you allow us to be here for you, as you have been here for us learning.
 
Tabitha said:
I hate the term "deadname". It was a name chosen with love for my daughter. They are using a different name-actually a variety of names as they settle on one. Isn't there a gentlemen phrase?
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I felt that way when I was reading the Jenner article. The name "Bruce" was lovingly selected by her parents. Is it the article's author or Caitlyn herself that feel like that deadname is "a lie"? That part didn't feel good to me.
 
wishing I could LIKE your post in this forum, @Pinga ...
I hope that Rita will be grateful that we're continuing to learn and converse about this topic until she's ready to rejoin us.
 
What's wrong with merely "oldname"? Are there good and bad things about relating oldname and newname? I have a friend who transitioned from Mary to Marc.
 
BetteTheRed said:
What's wrong with merely "oldname"?
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That seems like a better term to me. "Deadname" makes it sound like the previous "person" came to a defined end and the new came fresh from whole cloth which simply isn't the case in my reading of it.
 
Hmm I don't think this is as bizarre as it could sound...don't some traditions have some sort of ceremony...like Baptism? Confirmation?...where they are born anew with an added name or a changed name and a new identity of sorts?
 
Absolutely. A new baptism with New Name would be a perfectly appropriate sacrament for the occasion.
 
Now that awesome Lutheran pastor Nadia B did have a ceremony for one of her congregants. There was a display of photos etc. of the old self and an embracing of the new self From the HFASS church.
 
Ok ... I am well enough to address this name issue.
Deadname is very commonly used however I am not comfortable with that.
I prefer formername.
I can understand how many want to wipe out their past for two reasons:
1. Because they want to be viewed as who they are now and do not want that overshadowed or intruded upon by their former life.
2. Many have had such a terrible hurtful past and there is resentment for having to live as who they are not.

Now as for the issue of the child and the message to family and friends.
Very smart and appropriate.

Here are some guidelines for using a person's former name:
1. NEVER do it without the express permission of the person and specifics about what is shared.
2. Limit the scope of what is revealed very carefully to the need and permission given.
Basically if what is being said is not required then don't say it.

For myself I am grateful for my past even with the hurts and other junk.
I want to own my past and I do not want to deny it as it is part of the whole me.
Soon I will be changing my name legally ... finally...
I plan to incorporate the name going forward and also my formername as an acknowlegment, tribute to my past, and a way to link my whole life together.
My name will officially be Rita Douglas OLink
 
No likes allowed in this thread, so I will give a (y) to @RitaTG for that post. "Formername" is one that did not occur to me but it sounds right and makes sense.
 
In related news
There is a delightful Canadian
Who has been involved with transsexuals for quite some time
Studying and working with them in detail
His name's Dr. Ray Blanchard and it is his thesis that there are three main 'groups' of transsexuals. The ftm. The mtf are broken up into two different kinds: the autogynophyllics (who get a rise off of imagining themselves as women) and the others who want to be women, roughly. There's way more nuance than that.

Here is his UoT page (with links to papers and his writings...please do check out his gid males and gid females for an idear of his investigations which includes the prevalence of each category...the human being is VERY complex; Christianity and rocket science are much simpler)
http://individual.utoronto.ca/ray_blanchard/
 
Inannawhimsey said:
In related news
There is a delightful Canadian
Who has been involved with transsexuals for quite some time
Studying and working with them in detail
His name's Dr. Ray Blanchard and it is his thesis that there are three main 'groups' of transsexuals. The ftm. The mtf are broken up into two different kinds: the autogynophyllics (who get a rise off of imagining themselves as women) and the others who want to be women, roughly. There's way more nuance than that.

Here is his UoT page (with links to papers and his writings...please do check out his gid males and gid females for an idear of his investigations which includes the prevalence of each category...the human being is VERY complex; Christianity and rocket science are much simpler)
http://individual.utoronto.ca/ray_blanchard/
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Don't boil that down for them that didn't wish to know sophistication ... it'll tickle yer other side ...
 
Inannawhimsey said:
In related news
There is a delightful Canadian
Who has been involved with transsexuals for quite some time
Studying and working with them in detail
His name's Dr. Ray Blanchard and it is his thesis that there are three main 'groups' of transsexuals. The ftm. The mtf are broken up into two different kinds: the autogynophyllics (who get a rise off of imagining themselves as women) and the others who want to be women, roughly. There's way more nuance than that.

Here is his UoT page (with links to papers and his writings...please do check out his gid males and gid females for an idear of his investigations which includes the prevalence of each category...the human being is VERY complex; Christianity and rocket science are much simpler)
http://individual.utoronto.ca/ray_blanchard/
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This person has been discredited and his work debunked in most aspects.
He is not respected by the transgender community and is a dinosaur at odds with his peers and the present state of knowledge and research in this area.
 
RitaTG said:
This person has been discredited and his work debunked in most aspects.
He is not respected by the transgender community and is a dinosaur at odds with his peers and the present state of knowledge and research in this area.
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Do you have some more up-to-date science to cite? Or is there something upthread that I've forgotten about (it's such a long thread I don't want to go hunting)? Would be useful for those of us who might need to refute questionable claims from time to time.
 
RitaTG said:
This person has been discredited and his work debunked in most aspects.
He is not respected by the transgender community and is a dinosaur at odds with his peers and the present state of knowledge and research in this area.
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Are you sure it isn't a case of certain transgender people who disagree with this fellow's research?

Because you do know that happens with other groups. Not every transsexual is into dentity politics and Marxism and postmoderinism?

I like the nuance he presents...we transsexuals aren't some monolithic 'transsexual' or 'not transsexual'. There is room for those who follow identity politics and for those who believe their gender etc. is more of a private thing etc etc?

Mendalla is also right...science works also by peer review.

I also understand the danger of experts...but I also recognize how easy it is for myself to fool myself..

I think there can be a tendency for us transsexuals to 'self diagnose'? And then over time that can be adopted by other people as culture? And cultural beliefs CAN cause pain and suffering to the believer...

You also realize that science isn't aboot truth...someone sees something and then comes up with a hypothesis tests it and other people test it...and still it is subject to future change

(I've cited the good Dr before in WC: Original Recipie when our resident transsexual and one of the best human beings I've had the luck to write with was Stephen Gordon...I don't recall them having issue with the data...)

Not trying to hose...I grok that this is yer thread

And so it goes...
 
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