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Jae said:
Yes, I guess you're happy so long as your people's flag gets flown. What about my people RitaTG? Shouldn't our flag be flown as well? Isn't that only fair.
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When "your people" have gone through the discrimination, persecution, rejection and violence "my people" have then you can struggle for your rights and struggle to get your flag flown.
This is a fine example of cisgender privilege and ignorance.
 
Jae needs a flag for Internet trolls. There is a community that is marginalized that he can legitimately call "his people".

Problem is, if it were flown at Queen's Park, one of the trolls in attendance would either steal it or burn it, just to make the other trolls mad.
 
RitaTG said:
When "your people" have gone through the discrimination, persecution, rejection and violence "my people" have then you can struggle for your rights and struggle to get your flag flown.
This is a fine example of cisgender privilege and ignorance.
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Amen RitaTG.
 
revjohn said:
It isn't a requirement. It is actually something that organizations and institutions with flag poles can opt into or remain out of. The Provincial Government was asked to opt in and after consideration the Provincial Government decided to opt in.

Since it is not policy setting or even precedent setting there was no need for opposition parties to be consulted and no vote in the legislature was required to make it happen.

It would have been just as legitimate had the Government opted not to participate.

In 2014 NB Premier David Alward prohibitted at least one school from flying the Pride flag during Pride Week. Of course that is a hypocritical ruling since the Pride Flag did fly over the Provincial Legislature during the Sochi Olympics (2014) as part of protest over the Russian Government's treatment of Gay and Lesbians as well as a gesture of support for Gay and Lesbian athletes participating in the Sochi Olympics.
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An alternate freedom of will order compared to those that have the only order of will ... and the others are dissociated ... left with nothing. My grandfather said love was nothing ... leaving god in essence somewhat other ...
 
BetteTheRed said:
It's a bit of archaic English that "they" must be plural. It's been used informally as a gender neutral pronoun for some time.

At our church, I've suggested, as new name tags are requested, that underneath the name, the person's pronouns of choice be printed. (The idea came via the ever-wonderful Richard Bott, by the way.)

So my name tag would read:

BetteTheRed M____________
(Pronouns: she, her, hers)...
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These debates are always more amusing when seen with a foreign perspective. My mother tongue is French, and while my English isn't too bad, it is a second language.

I don't have too many issues against using "they" as a gender-neutral pronoun. It follows the evolution of thou/you, only a few centuries later. My only issue is that sometimes, when I am reading a text and the context isn't clear, I see a group of people instead of just one.

As for the name tag with pronouns, I really don't like it. Why? Because if I see your name tag, it's because I'm speaking to you. I should call you BetteTheRed (or maybe Bette for short); if not, I will use "you" or "your". The "she" and "her" pronouns will be used only when I don't see the name tag.

In a way, I don't think there should be a gender description on a name tag... probably not more than there should be an age listed there too. But if someone were to insist on it, I think a better name tag would show "Ms. BetteTheRed", "Mr. Michael", or simply "Arthur" for those who don't want any gender description.


Someone else asked about other languages. So let see what happens in French.

– Transgenre vs transexuel (or transsexuel)
The jury is out. Québec tends to be closer to the U.S. and Canada in that regard, but the choice of a proper word is not as simple as that. For instance, my gender is male, but in French, mon sexe est masculin.
The French word "genre" has some meaning of "maleness" or "femaleness" (if these are even words), but most importantly it is a grammatical concept: "Tree" (un arbre) and "ship" (un navire) are masculine, while "antenna" (une antenne) and "a swing" (une balançoire) are feminine.

– There is no real gender-neutral pronoun similar to "they".
The pronoun "on" is a neutral, general pronoun. Its closest English equivalent is "one", as in "one must do this or that". It is a very common word in French and can be used for any kind of general use. It may be for "somebody", or "this group of people", may represent a single person or a group of people. But usually doesn't work for specific people. I can't use "on" to designate BetteTheRed, Mandalla or Claudette, for example.
A few groups resort to contraptions such as "il/elle", "i(e)l(le)", but these look ugly, make the text hard to read and don't fit with grammar rules.
Still fewer groups have invented new words. One I have seen a few times is "iel" or "ielle" (I don't think there is any intended difference between both), which is a contraption of the masculine "il" and the feminine "elle".
In practical terms, I think that if one either names the person in the sentence (ex.: Claude prend sa radio) or uses a workaround like talking about the person or the individual (une personne, un individu), then the pronoun issue becomes irrelevant. And the text is still easy to read.

– In that regard, some things tend to get simpler in French while they get more complex in English.
For example, 40 or 50 years ago, it was clear that a female was either "Madame" (Mrs.) if she was married or "Mademoiselle" (Miss) if not.
Nowadays, "Mademoiselle" is sometimes still used for teens, but generally, all females are "Madame" (Mrs.).
So whereas English forms ask to check between (Mr. Ms. Mrs. Miss), French forms only ask to check between (M. and Mme)
– Maybe we just need a third box called either "I don't care" or "None".
 
I love strange and studious alien tongues ... some here believe only the kings spin is English light ... I.E. cristae fair is that correct or just another timely corruption of something even older like mistakes we've had to o'n ... or own .. as in now we suffer ownism ... where it is illusionary as the land owns us eventually? Seems a waste but provides further fecundity ... to sterile minerals ... in dais past if was spilled over ...

Then prickly pigs are spilled ... and can be porcupine Pi ... so demand these pointy events should be clean and waxed ... or whacked ... off as Ice cream ... rather metaphorical production of explicates ... from source unseen and this the deep hole of the mine is unseen and considered Shadow in form ... less something! Some say a formless void until fulfilled ... like manic Kahn?
 
Great way to express that smile, Carolla.

Happy for you Rita.

On another note, there are times I would like to remove all of Jae's post on this thread, and yet....there are people who do think that way. RitaTG, I honour you for your strength in responding to these posts, and for your allies who wlak with you.
 
Pinga said:
I would like to remove all of Jae's post on this thread, and yet....there are people who do think that way.
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Which is why they need to stay along with Rita's responses to them. Removing them would simply mean ignoring the reality that a very large segment of the population still don't accept the reality of being trans and others do but see it in a negative light. Censorship isn't the answer to the problem; getting the truth out there is.

And, to add to the others, I'm glad to see you see looking good and happy again, @RitaTG . I know you've had a tough row to hoe and I hope this is a sign things have improved for you.
 
Jae spent a lot of time simply regurgitating common Baptist talking points that he knew would be unpopular and get a reaction. I don't really think he is as bigoted as he pretended. But he did, at times, present viewpoints that really exist. And that's why people need to speak up against these beliefs and ideas. Don't delete them if you can, because to some, that legitimizes them. Blow them out of the water, and watch them sink. Don't pretend they don't exist.
 
I prefer that all posts be left as is.
The conversation is most valid when all viewpoints are included along with the responses
 
I guess I wasn't explicit enough in my post.

Of course, we can't delete them. They are there, and represent thoughts of others. They represent the hate that people bump iinto.
I hope the positive responses you get outweigh the other posts.
 
An update on how I am doing...
The strain of public life, speaking, and responsibilities has taken its toll mentally.
I have been placed on an indefinite medical leave from my duties with TgInnerselves. Also I have resigned from the board for SACY, the youth service organization I am so very fond of. The decision making process was too hard on me.
So much of my life as myself (Rita) has been the public persona with very little time for the ordinary everyday private me. Now it is time to explore and develop the private me. Stepping back from public life gives me the room to experience that and grow. The change of focus is a breath of fresh air and I am finding such wonder in the small, mundane, and ordinary.
Also... I now have a gentleman friend that I have grown very fond of. This is a lot to process as I am now the woman in the relationship. This is all so very new to me and quite a challenge emotionally.
I am so very much enjoying the shift of focus from public to private and I offer to you an opportunity to follow along. Just ask your questions. I will answer as appropriate. Thank you all for your support.
 
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