If that is true, how do you explain that he hasn't seen her since 2002 but witnessed her coaching a polygraph test? I'm willing to hear your explanation rather than a sound bite about MSM taking away my ability to process information. What are you hearing?
Thoughts re allegations re Kavanaugh
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Is it fear or rational reasons that encourage delaying reports of sexual abuse of the weaker by brutus sort of power?
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Where can you imagine God isolating this function? In a vast silent shadow ...
Leaves me dazzled with the BS in greatest powers ... and Lord Acton's Theories!
Where can you imagine God isolating this function? In a vast silent shadow ...
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Ford allegedly coached her friend who she lived with who was going to have to take a polygraph to get into the FBI.
Thank you, so by that alleged fact supported by her former boyfriend, the conclusion is that she must have done this for her own case? Is there evidence for that?
Also polygraph tests are not always used as evidence in courts. It is up to the judge. They are allowed in 26 states and some federal courts. They are not lie detector tests, which is how most people see them, they rely on recording breathing, heart rate and gland rate activity to show if certain questions raise these levels. This can also be caused just from anxiety because one has to take the test. Some professionals claim 90 per cent accuracy, while others say 70 per cent. Polygraph tests are not infallible...an honest person can fail and a deceptive person could pass.
I suppose she could have helped someone, it's possible, but should this be the tipping point that someone gets off for a possible gang rape, without going into more accurate evidence rather than what amounts to here say? Has the person been found that she supposedly coached to verify this?
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Well there is a lot going on...
And then there is what MSM will tell you is going on.
Not much correlation between the two.
And then there is what MSM will tell you is going on.
Not much correlation between the two.
KayTheCurler
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I don't have time to listen to this. Could you please post it in a readable format.
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Ford’s exboyfriend sent a letter to the senate committee under oath. It alleges several testable allegations that if any turn out to be true, and the FBI is looking into them, Ford could be ruled to not be a credible witness.
Kavanaugh has said a lot of things as well, and if any of the things everyone keeps saying he lied about turn out to be lies, he will not get the job.
I see waterfall still thinks the gang rape allegation may have some merit.
MSM is not telling you what is going on. After 1.5 years of fake Russia conspiracy, one would think some would wake up. A lot of actual things have taken place since Trump took office.
There was a tsunami in Indonesia.
I much rather prefer reports from other countries including my own.....Fox and MSN are entertainment.
Nope, I think due process in a court of law has merit.
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That will probably happen.
GordW
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LEgally/constitutionally impeachment is for high crimes and misdemeanors:
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. (Article Two of the United States Constitution - Wikipedia)
Neither Adultery not Sexual Harrassment would likely make it into that category (After all it is well known that Clinton is not the first President to have wandered). Sexual Assault might possibly. Perjury certainly would. But in the end while perjury was the official reason for impeachment it is likely the real reason was political gamesmanship with the sex stuff a handy hook.
revsdd
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You forgot to add that there's also what the conservative non-MSM (I guess) media is telling you. Fox News, conservative radio, right wing bloggers. But there's not much correlation there with reality either.
Reality is probably somewhere in the middle.
You could say that many (maybe most) people choose as their version of "truth" what they've already decided and what they already want to hear and close themselves off to dissenting viewpoints while gravitating to commentators whose opinions on a whole variety of subjects then become theirs. That works in both news media and religion basically.
Of course I always find it amusing that the default position of most conservatives when faced with those who disagree with their political opinions is to dismiss them as having been brainwashed by the MSM, while they then just spout the talking points offered up by Fox or whatever, apparently oblivious to the irony.
Seriously. Fox News has become the Trump Broadcasting Network, while CNN has become the Resistance Broadcasting System. One 24 hours a day of pro-Trump drivel, one 24 hours a day of anti-Trump twaddle. Neither generally making any attempt at all to offer balanced, fact-based coverage. In fact neither really do serious news reporting anymore. It's panel discussion after panel discussion after panel discussion (Trump, Trump, Trump - 24 hours a day and 7 days a week) with people shouting over each other non-stop at whoever is delegated to provide the illusion of balance by taking the opposing viewpoint.
KayTheCurler
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I prefer Reuters and BBC as sources of information.
Mendalla
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The Guardian is good, too. And, honestly, our own Globe & Mail isn't bad these days. Perhaps a bit business-friendly but fairly centrist politically and not too bad as far as reportage. Unless Graeme's right. Then they're all pawns of the billionaires.
Mendalla
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The idea that Fox isn't MSM amuses me. They are owned by a huge multinational media conglomerate. They may slant more conservative than most but are definitely still an arm of "Big Media".
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There is news and there is deliberate deception. You have to look around and see. Revsdd wants to claim it is equal across the board. It is not.
MSM actors are paid a lot of money so that they will say convincingly what they are told.
If you are part of the snarling left lynch Kavanaugh because he is guilty because one woman says so, you are a victim of brainwashing.
If he is guilty, that is another thing. Maybe there is some evidence out there. But until then, they just keep feeding the Trump hate phenomenon. Guilt by association. Everybody sounds like wild dogs in a cage. That’s not normal. It’s not Trump. It’s brainwashing.
It is impossible to relay what I just said to a pent up salivating mob.
Oh well. Slobber away.
MSM actors are paid a lot of money so that they will say convincingly what they are told.
If you are part of the snarling left lynch Kavanaugh because he is guilty because one woman says so, you are a victim of brainwashing.
If he is guilty, that is another thing. Maybe there is some evidence out there. But until then, they just keep feeding the Trump hate phenomenon. Guilt by association. Everybody sounds like wild dogs in a cage. That’s not normal. It’s not Trump. It’s brainwashing.
It is impossible to relay what I just said to a pent up salivating mob.
Oh well. Slobber away.
Northwind
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Unfortunately that is too often the case with any woman who speaks against a man like Kavanaugh. The allegations can't be dismissed or accepted blindly. There does need to be due process.
And the snarly right is saying that Kavanaugh is honourable and innocent. That's no more factual at this point.
Frankly what I saw of his behaviour on the stand was of more concern than the allegations.
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I watched the whole thing. I have done some work for judges. They are all going to be a bit different. Look at all the tv judges. They demand respect from lawyers and everybody in the courtroom. He found himself in a kangaroo court and until some proof appears, he’s not guilty.
I thought his demeanour was pretty humble for somebody at that level. But I am not fixated on the fact that he is Trump’s pick.
Graeme Decarie
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Trump has hit rock bottom with a speech in which he proclaimed Ford to be a liar. Worse, he couched it in pretty coarse humour. I know of no American president who has ever stooped so low. Alas! There are tens of millions of Americans down in the gutter
with him. Oh, I know. Trump is right in the eyes of Geronimo though he lacks proof for his public humiliation of a woman. And she is wrong because she hasn't got legal proof for her charges.
The U.S. is a society in freefall. Geronimo hasn't figured that out yet - and he never will.
Trump is also under fire for massive tax evasion. Big surprise. In the U.S., as in Canada, Britain and other countries, the very wealthy have paid NO income tax for generations. They also pay very little property tax and, of course, they feast on government contracts which is why the U.S. has massive deficit spending. As a result, all wealth is rapidly flowing from the rest of us to the very rich. And that will lead to a massive market crash. The 1930s again, only much worse.
But don't worry. The very wealthy have lots of money put away for themselves.
And they all can be comforted to know that the pontiflexs of this world will always kiss up to them. All they have to do is bend over.
with him. Oh, I know. Trump is right in the eyes of Geronimo though he lacks proof for his public humiliation of a woman. And she is wrong because she hasn't got legal proof for her charges.
The U.S. is a society in freefall. Geronimo hasn't figured that out yet - and he never will.
Trump is also under fire for massive tax evasion. Big surprise. In the U.S., as in Canada, Britain and other countries, the very wealthy have paid NO income tax for generations. They also pay very little property tax and, of course, they feast on government contracts which is why the U.S. has massive deficit spending. As a result, all wealth is rapidly flowing from the rest of us to the very rich. And that will lead to a massive market crash. The 1930s again, only much worse.
But don't worry. The very wealthy have lots of money put away for themselves.
And they all can be comforted to know that the pontiflexs of this world will always kiss up to them. All they have to do is bend over.
Graeme Decarie
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Oh , pointiflex says that Kavanaugh is of 'That Level"... Yes, indeed. Since the beginning of civilizations, the wealthy have seen themselves as being superior to all other mortals, and with no obligations to the rest of humanity. To certify, they gave themselves titles such as Dukes, counts, earls - and they took land and servants that they considered themselves entitles to. Often, they became more depraved and ignorant as the years went by. But being born to the right people preserved their privileges. Thus the high proportion of dimwits in the royal family - a tradition that goes back for centuries. And you'll find that in royal families all over the world. And thus the long British tradition of letting the country be run by twits in the House Lords. Thus a Winston Churchill who was miffed when he was not named a general in WW1. After all, he was born with that right.
In the same way, as prime minister ( as which his role has been much, much exaggerated), he showed no concerns for the difficulties of the British people during or after the war. He governed for the benefit of his own class, the only class that counted.
Trump is rich because his father was rich. But to Trump, he is rich because he is a superior person. (Thus his right to grope women.) Kavanaugh is of the same breed. He was entitled to booze and rape. JFK had more than a touch of that.
In the same way, as prime minister ( as which his role has been much, much exaggerated), he showed no concerns for the difficulties of the British people during or after the war. He governed for the benefit of his own class, the only class that counted.
Trump is rich because his father was rich. But to Trump, he is rich because he is a superior person. (Thus his right to grope women.) Kavanaugh is of the same breed. He was entitled to booze and rape. JFK had more than a touch of that.