Thoughts re allegations re Kavanaugh

[Mrs.Anteater]

Of course it was politically motivated. It was a committee of Congress. It's supposed to be politically motivated.

He went pitbull? Do you know what that means? He had to fight to win? Why? Couldn't he just tell the truth to win? One would hope that a Supreme Court justice would operate with more coolness and judgement and dignity - and not simply rage. A pitbull is precisely what is not needed on the bench.

Unfortunately, if a person with communication skills and vocabulary of a fith grader can make it to become POTUS, there seemed to be no standards left for who can become a justice in the highest court.

 

[Graeme Decarie]

None of this matters. Many presidents have had mistresses. JFK may have been the champ, but he was only one of many. I've no doubt that many of them made passes at women in their college days.

What it's about this time is whether women have the right to tell about it. And Geronimo thinks they don't.

The whole issue of Kavanaugh is not his sexual background. It's his view of american society. And his view is that the society exists to serve the wealthy. That much is pretty clear. There is nothing in his background to suggest he gives a damn about the needs of the whole society.

American society is in an advanced state of rot. Poverty is on the rise. It has been since the 1960s. Plundering by the wealthy is on the rise. But Americans have almost no tradition of recognizing that. The result is a nation that takes out its anger by voting in politicians who allow them to express it - as in hating immigrants, as in looking down on other countries and wanting to control them... Trump played on that, and without answering any of the real problems. He did it by venting their anger on Mexicans, immigrants, foreign nations in general... This voting out of anger was pioneered by Hitler, and is now standard practice for Trump and our own Toronto mayor - and here in New Brunswick where a big issue in the recent election was the attack on the French language - and issue that's isn't a real issue at all. It's simply racism taken out at the polls.

(Trump ran on fears Americans had of being killed by foreigners - as in 9/11. In reality, there far biggest threat of death - even counting 9/11 - is murder by a policeman.)

The Republicans want Kananaugh not for any special wisdom he has but because he will use the court to block laws that might interfere with the rich.)

Pontiflex - do you have even the faintest idea of the political power of wealth in the U.S.?

No. I didn't think so.

 

[Kimmio Laughterlove]

Pinning someone down on a bed, trying to take of her clothes, and covering her mouth so she can’t scream, is not “making a pass” @Graeme Decarie if he did do that it does matter. And looking at how he still feels entitled to power now, it still matters.

 

[Mrs.Anteater]

Here a link to the cartoon in the Chronicle Herald
Halifax cartoonist on his image of Lady Justice with a hand over her mouth | CBC News

 

[Luce NDs]

The idea that Fox isn't MSM amuses me. They are owned by a huge multinational media conglomerate. They may slant more conservative than most but are definitely still an arm of "Big Media".

Are these LARGE FONTS for alternation of what appears?

 

[Luce NDs]

Here a link to the cartoon in the Chronicle Herald
Halifax cartoonist on his image of Lady Justice with a hand over her mouth | CBC News

Reminds me of a scene from a 60's movie ... I think The Apartment! About a group of well-to-do men had a kept woman ... and brutus things occurred ...

 

[Luce NDs]

There is news and there is deliberate deception. You have to look around and see. Revsdd wants to claim it is equal across the board. It is not.

MSM actors are paid a lot of money so that they will say convincingly what they are told.

If you are part of the snarling left lynch Kavanaugh because he is guilty because one woman says so, you are a victim of brainwashing.

If he is guilty, that is another thing. Maybe there is some evidence out there. But until then, they just keep feeding the Trump hate phenomenon. Guilt by association. Everybody sounds like wild dogs in a cage. That’s not normal. It’s not Trump. It’s brainwashing.

It is impossible to relay what I just said to a pent up salivating mob.

Oh well. Slobber away.

Slubber away ... an allegation of emotions or someone studying alien facts?

 

[Luce NDs]

Hey if you read it, it must be true. And somebody must have recorded it. I think I heard what he said. I could be wrong. But maybe I missed it. Reading something on the CBC is not the same as the horses mouth. And most of your hatred is pretty fiction based so maybe you could produce the evidence.

Canada’s murderous miners want to know.

Can a person read an article intelligently ... or blindly, emotionally and see what they wish to see as a mad dog snarling and well drooling as a metaphor of slobber ... will foaming at the mouth declare something of the implicit persona?

 

[Luce NDs]

Could be, I suppose the FBI could figure that out soon enough. Probably the Republicans should concentrate on presenting more evidence that Kavanaugh is telling the truth rather than relying on discrediting Dr. Ford.

Isn;t blaming the other easier than trying to construct an explicit reason for being in an entitled position?

No! That's not the way this crazy world has operated ... and we can't change it ... due to supported emotionalism without rational!

Don't stop, listen, look, or think about it ... just do it ... get it done however brute force suits. This may have destructive connotations however! Thoughts coming 4th are dangerous demos ...

 

[Graeme Decarie]

Proof, in the first place was never a legal requirement. The role of the committee was, without proof, to decide whether this was a desirable person to have as a supreme court justice. There was never any doubt how it would decide.

In purely political terms, it is quite likely that this decision will have very bad results for the GOP.

 

[revsdd]

I tend to agree with @Graeme Decarie that there's little doubt what the end result will be, although some are still holding out hope that Jeff Flake, Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins will break with their Republican colleagues and torpedo the nomination. I'm guessing that we'll find out if that's likely or possible when we find out when McConnell holds the vote. If it's quick then he's confident he has the votes. If he delays more than 2 or 3 days he's busy trying to convince at least two of them, because with a 51-49 edge and Pence casting the deciding vote in a tie, the Republicans can only lose one senator.

In any event, the FBI report is completed. I'm not sure the ins and outs of how Senate Committees work, but I find it interesting and strange that the Republican senators on the Judiciary Committee get to see the report an hour before Democratic senators on the Judiciary Committee get to see it.

 

[Lastpointe]

Question. I must have missed something

They talk about the senate as 51 - 49 republican

It Mc Cain died. So doesn’t that make it 50-49

 

[GordW]

Question. I must have missed something

They talk about the senate as 51 - 49 republican

It Mc Cain died. So doesn’t that make it 50-49

AS I understand it, when a sitting Senator dies the State they represent appoints someone to fill out the term. But I am not sure if that has already happened

 

[Lastpointe]

Ah. Thanks

 

[Lastpointe]

Re whether he lied

New article today from his Yale roommate

Disputes his drinking stories.

And disputes his explainations of the sexual terms in his year book

Devil’s Triangle
Booking
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[FONT=Open Sans, sans-serif]Stated these sexual terms were well known and well used and not up for interpretation. Hence a lie. Lying to the senate should be an issue. It won’t be

It won’t make a difference. While I would love to think many GOP senators will agree that a better alternative should be found, i doubt many will stand up to trump.

While the general public abhors trump and his policies, his base loves his rude irreverence. And no one wants to piss off the base

What I find funny about that is, if you are a GOP senator up for re-election, why worry who they will vote for , not like they are going to vote for the democratic candidate. That seldom happens. People in the USA pick an party and live with it for life , generally [/FONT]

 

[Waterfall]

An FBI investigation that lasted a couple of days? I've seen TV crime shows last longer than that.
I had visions of them tracing old credit card/bank card debits that aligned with both victim and accused, appealing to others that may have attended the parties and remembered locations, gas purchases, computer histories....I don't know things like that, that would place them together around the same time or not? But I guess the reality is that most crimes remain unsolved and without evidence and only interviewing a few people that are supportive of both sides will lead to no real evidence.
Judge Kavanaugh, is probably a shoe in.

 

[BetteTheRed]

Here's a fascinating article from a right-wing author, in a very centrist publication, who would not endorse Kavanagh's nomination, largely for the reasons I detailed. He failed his job interview; he demonstrated clear partisan bias, a lack of control of his emotions, and a lack of credibility on minor points that Benjamin Wittes (Editor in chief of Lawfare and a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution) think significant enough to not confirm him.

I Know Brett Kavanaugh, but I Wouldn’t Confirm Him - The Atlantic

 

[Mendalla]

I had visions of them tracing old credit card/bank card debits that aligned with both victim and accused, appealing to others that may have attended the parties and remembered locations, gas purchases, computer histories....I don't know things like that, that would place them together around the same time or not?

They weren't given time for stuff like that, though. It's not like it's the only thing the FBI has to work on. And tracing those purchases and other histories probably requires warrants which means time spent going to court and possibly having the warrant applications challenged in court. A major investigation can take weeks, not days. So they focussed on what could be done quickly and without a lot of effort: interviewing witnesses. I am surprised they got as far as they given their limited mandate and time.

 

[Waterfall]

They weren't given time for stuff like that, though. It's not like it's the only thing the FBI has to work on. And tracing those purchases and other histories probably requires warrants which means time spent going to court and possibly having the warrant applications challenged in court. A major investigation can take weeks, not days. So they focussed on what could be done quickly and without a lot of effort: interviewing witnesses. I am surprised they got as far as they given their limited mandate and time.

Well they might as well have used the local police....when I think of the FBI I think of more access and more or an in depth investigation. But it is what it is.

 

[Pinga]

It would be highly unlikely there would be such records from those days.
1. We paid cash for everything. I didn't have a credit card at that age in that time.
2. Organizations do not keep such records.