The women divide the plunder ?

[paradox3]

the apostles were also all Jews, does that also mean our church leaders should not only be men But Jewish as well?

I like this argument and am surprised I have never encountered it until now. Good point.

 

[Jaebius]

I like this argument and am surprised I have never encountered it until now. Good point.

Of course, ethnoreligious group =/= sex.

 

[blackbelt1961]

Ever notice the kudos men receive for being active in the kitchen? Do you know any marriage where the wife cooks and the husband cleans the house? And if so, how much is this contribution valued?

I love to cook actually but since my wife retired 2 yrs ago she's been doing more than I

 

[Northwind]

Of course, ethnoreligious group =/= sex.

Please explain.

 

[Jaebius]

Romans 16:7 Greet Andronicus and Junia, my fellow Jews, who were in prison with me. They are highly respected among the apostles and became followers of Christ before I did.

the big argument of whether Junia was a boy or a girl, some Bible versions have Junias a boy, but most translate it as Junia a Girl

in my view, as most, Junia is a woman, which would fit with scripture and how God views us in Christ.

Who was Junias? He was a man who was related to Paul and was at one time his fellow-prisoner. He was of note, distinguished and highly respected. He'd been in Christ before Paul, had been converted in the Church's early days, before Jesus had called Paul.

 

[Jaebius]

Please explain.

Er... they're different things. A book isn't a pencil.

 

[Northwind]

Er... they're different things. A book isn't a pencil.

And gender/sex is vastly inferior. f*** that BS

 

[Jaebius]

And gender/sex is vastly inferior. f*** that BS

Really? That's your understanding Northwind?

 

[Carolla]

Jae is trolling again ... step away, step away ... it will be ever thus ...

 

[paradox3]

Of course, ethnoreligious group =/= sex.

Of course not. The point (made by bb) is still a good one, in my view.

 

[Northwind]

Jae is trolling again ... step away, step away ... it will be ever thus ...

Stepping away.

 

[paradox3]

Jae is trolling again ... step away, step away ... it will be ever thus ...

Yes, who knows if he even holds these particular views about women in the church? He could be just looking for reactions.

 

[Jaebius]

Yes, who knows if he even holds these particular views about women in the church?

It may help to consider that both my Toronto church and my Suwon church belong to complementarian denominations.

 

[paradox3]

It may help to consider that both my Toronto church and my Suwon church belong to complementarian denominations.

Yes, we know these views are not unique to yourself. I would personally not belong to such a denomination, but whatever floats your boat.

 

[paradox3]

A book isn't a pencil.

Right. There are school supplies and there are school supplies. Just as there are Christians and there are Christians. (In the words of the Poisonwood Bible. Great novel.)

 

[blackbelt1961]

Who was Junias? He was a man who was related to Paul and was at one time his fellow-prisoner. He was of note, distinguished and highly respected. He'd been in Christ before Paul, had been converted in the Church's early days, before Jesus had called Paul.

That's one view, Juina is the other translation a woman

 

[GeoFee]

Early along the way I heard Jesus speak about searching the scripture. He encouraged it. Why? Those who wrestle with scripture, as Jacob wrestled with the angel, will be blessed by the revelation of the living Christ.

Those who take the Bible to be the living word of God are idolaters.

 

[unsafe]

Jae ---your quote -------
Jesus had female missionaries but his closest missionaries his 12, the apostles, were all men. As was the 13th apostle Matthias, and the 14th apostle Paul. This set a pattern for how things should be arranged in the Church today. There are leadership positions that should be available to women but the pastorate (pastors, ministers, priests) should be comprised solely of men.

unsafe says ----If your using 1Timothy 2:11-12 as your scripture here Jae ---you need to really research this passage well ---it is not saying what you think it is saying about women not being able to pastors ----- 1Timothy 1 gives the background for Paul writing the letter to Timothy as there is False Teaching going on in the church in Ephesus-----

I think you will see your wrongly dividing the word here ------if you do thorough research on it ----

 

[Jaebius]

That's one view, Juina is the other translation a woman

In my mind, "Junia" was just something slapped onto the text by liberal scholars.

 

[GeoFee]

Early along the way I heard Jesus speak about searching the scripture. He encouraged it. Why? Those who wrestle with scripture, as Jacob wrestled with the angel, will be blessed by the revelation of the living Christ.

Those who take the Bible to be the living word of God are idolaters.

That said: “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the follower of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.”