GordW ------I agree that it says Samuel Spoke ------it definitely says that -------
That does not mean that it was the real Samuel ---
it does not say that it was ---and it does not say that it wasn't ------sometimes God leave us hanging to our own devices ---what it does say is this spirit was angry and Samuel would be in a place of comfort with Abraham and other Saints -----also God let a demon plaque Saul so he was already in a bad state ------and if you read the scripture ----the spirit seems to appears before the medium does anything -----the scripture does not say how she brought the spirit up ---again we are left to own own devices to understand that -----Saul says bring up Samuel and in verse 12 he appears she has done nothing yet ----- 11 Then the woman asked, “Whom shall I bring up for you?”
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Bring up Samuel,” he said.
12 When the woman saw Samuel,
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Where was Abraham’s Bosom?
Why did Old Testament saints go to Abraham's Bosom instead of Heaven? What does the Bible tell us about their resting place before the cross?
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Abraham’s Bosom was located “down below” the heavens in the depths of the earth. Jesus referred to it as the “heart of the earth and it was the abode of the righteous dead prior to Jesus’ resurrection.
What was Abraham’s Bosom?
Abraham’s Bosom
was a place of comfort and it was a place of waiting.
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I say ------So for me it is not the real Samuel -----if it is for you that is the way you see it ---you can take it as you see it ----
And I am not alone in my thinking ------
What does 1 Samuel 28:15 mean? Read commentary on this popular Bible verse and understand the real meaning behind God's Word using John Gill's Exposition of the Bible.
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1 Samuel 28:15
And Samuel said to Saul, why hast thou disquieted me to bring
me up?
&c.] This makes it a clear case that this was not the true Samuel; his soul was at rest in Abraham's bosom, in the state of bliss and happiness in heaven, and it was not in the power of men and devils to disquiet it; nor would he have talked of his being brought up, but rather of his coming down, had it been really he; much less would he have acknowledged that he was brought up by Saul, by means of a witch, and through the help of the devil:
and Saul answered, I am sore distressed;
in mind, being in great straits and difficulties, pressed hard upon by men, and forsaken of God, as follows:
for the Philistines make war against me;
so they had many times, and he had been victorious, and had no reason to be so much distressed, if that was all: but he adds,
and God is departed from me:
and therefore he feared he should be left to fall into their hands; and that he had forsaken him he concluded from hence,
and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams:
(
See Gill on 1 Samuel 28:6); he makes no mention of Urim, either because they were not with him to inquire by, being carried away by Abiathar when he fled to David, (
1 Samuel 23:9 ) ; or, as the Jews say
F8, through shame, he said nothing of the Urim before Samuel, as he took this appearance to be, because he had slain the priests at Nob, and because of this shame, they say, his sin was forgiven him:
therefore have I called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what
I shall do;
which was downright madness and folly to imagine, that since God had forsaken him, and would give him no answer, that a prophet of his should take his part; or when he could get no answer from a prophet of God on earth, that he could expect an agreeable one from one fetched down from heaven: one would be tempted to think that he himself believed it was the devil he was talking to, and whom he had called for under the name of Samuel, and expected to see; for from whom else could he expect advice, when he was forsaken of God, and his prophets?
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Read all here I am just posting this part below ----
And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God
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Commentaries:
Forerunner Commentary
These three factors provide the background for the story in I Samuel 28: God is always against those who practice sorcery;
Satan and his demons can appear as ministers of righteousness; and Saul himself, emotionally unbalanced, was predisposed to the sway of a demon. Knowing these things makes all the difference in how we understand the events at
En Dor.
Richard T. Ritenbaugh
What Happened at En Dor?
