The Lord of Vengeance - Psalm 94

[unsafe]

How does God define wicked

Hebrew word for Wicked

Strong's Concordance
resha: wickedness
From rasha'; a wrong (especially moral) -- iniquity, wicked(-ness).

What is iniquity

Strong's Concordance
avon: iniquity, guilt, punishment for iniquity
fault, iniquity, mischief, punishment of iniquity, sin
perversity, i.e. (moral) evil -- fault, iniquity, mischeif, punishment (of iniquity), sin.

 

[Luce NDs]

Is misinformation based on wild desires sort of beyond reason? Thus quantum functions on reality ...

 

[BetteTheRed]

How does God define wicked

Hebrew word for Wicked

Strong's Concordance
resha: wickedness
From rasha'; a wrong (especially moral) -- iniquity, wicked(-ness).

What is iniquity

Strong's Concordance
avon: iniquity, guilt, punishment for iniquity
fault, iniquity, mischief, punishment of iniquity, sin
perversity, i.e. (moral) evil -- fault, iniquity, mischeif, punishment (of iniquity), sin.

Unsafe, do you believe that all humans are a mixture of good and wicked, or that EVERY human can be judged as one or the other?

 

[Luce NDs]

Recall it is said that evil (corruption?) is among you (us)! One has to back off to see it and then you are considered out there ... having fallen from the line called medium ... a sense of paradigm and thus statistical deviation ...

This may raise chaos and it forms to examination to a point! Hopefully to spot of escape to be beamed elsewhere! Quantum flash ...

 

[Waterfall]

When I read the passage, my thoughts tend towards thinking that we are to consider God as our source of justice....otherwise, don't we risk becoming evil ourselves in our vengeance? And what of those who are masterminding the horrors described, did they have a history of being the oppressed, forcing them to build strong armies for their own protection?
Should we do nothing to protect ourselves and ask God to protect us through vengeance but thinking he's doing nothing when justice isn't created the way we see fit, when in fact, maybe the way of peace is not through continuing the very thing that oppressed us?
I think of the earth, and how it has the power to restore itself over a very long time, if we just step back and quit continuing to add to the problem.
But I think this becomes more of a complication, when an enemy attacks us viciously...how do we justify doing nothing? What is it God wants us to do?

 

[Luce NDs]

When I read the passage, my thoughts tend towards thinking that we are to consider God as our source of justice....otherwise, don't we risk becoming evil ourselves in our vengeance? And what of those who are masterminding the horrors described, did they have a history of being the oppressed, forcing them to build strong armies for their own protection?
Should we do nothing to protect ourselves and ask God to protect us through vengeance but thinking he's doing nothing when justice isn't created the way we see fit, when in fact, maybe the way of peace is not through continuing the very thing that oppressed us?
I think of the earth, and how it has the power to restore itself over a very long time, if we just step back and quit continuing to add to the problem.
But I think this becomes more of a complication, when an enemy attacks us viciously...how do we justify doing nothing? What is it God wants us to do?

Such compilations are scattered in archaic literature ... thus stray thoughts and the blown considerations! People do nor read vast summations ... as they believe them nothing ... a counter intuitive function ... given unstable economic avarice ...

 

[jimkenney12]

I read it as very political. In the Elijah stories, the wicked are the rulers of Israel.

Today we could name exploitive capitalism, the mining companies harming marginalized communities in Canada and elsewhere, the fossil fuel companies that have long corrupted politics and are fiercely resisting action against climate change, the developers who have controlled municipal politics in many cities. Palestinians would name Zionists.

While the Bible probably has a severe twist on the history of the Jewish people, it consistently links domination by others to failures beforehand by the Jewish elite to rule justly.

The part about happy lives for followers of God's laws implies a hope that the rulers might change and choose happiness that comes from justice.

 

[Mendalla]

the wicked are the rulers of Israel.

That was my reading of 20-21 for sure, where it talks about "wicked leaders" who "contrive mischief through statute". Probably the most politically relevant part for us in North America today to some degree given some trends in politics. Sounds vaguely familiar, in fact.

 

[unsafe]

Unsafe, do you believe that all humans are a mixture of good and wicked, or that EVERY human can be judged as one or the other?

I believe that all Humans are capable of doing good and being wicked ------but what we think is irrelevant -----Judgment is not in the hands of us ------it is in the hands of God -----So I say How God views good and wicked is far more important that what we say or think ------

This Psalm 94 is a heart felt prayer of a person who is praying for God's people who have been persecuted in this world ----and is asking God how long He will allow His people to be persecuted before He acts and places Judgment upon the wicked on this earth ---then we see that God Looks after the righteous-- He protects them ----- and in verse 23 -----we see the wicked will be destroyed and I believe that is talking the future when God's wrath will be poured out on this earth ------which is the 7 year tribulation period -----

So who are the righteous in the Old testament ---in God's eyes -----in the Old Testament People were deemed Righteous by their obedience to God's will and commands ---and by obeying they showed their trust and Faith in God and so by their Faith in God they were deemed to be in right standing with God ---and God deemed them righteous --------

God is a God of Love but He is also a God of Judgment -----All Judgment belongs to God ----

This is a break down of the different sections of this Psalm -----

Psalm 94​

Psalm 94 EHV​

The Lord Rules the Wicked​

A Call for Vengeance​

1 O Lord, God of vengeance,
God of vengeance, shine forth.
2 Rise up, O Judge of the earth.
Repay the proud with what they deserve.
3 How long will the wicked, O Lord,
how long will the wicked celebrate?

The Deeds of the Wicked​

4 They gush. They speak arrogantly.
All the evildoers brag about themselves.
5 They crush your people, O Lord.
They oppress the people that belong to you.
6 They kill the widow and the alien.
They murder the fatherless.
7 Then they say, “The Lord[a] does not see.
The God of Jacob does not understand.”
8 Understand, you brutes among the people.
You fools, when will you become wise?

Relief for the Righteous​

9 The one who planted the ear—will he not hear?
The one who formed the eye—will he not observe?
10 The one who disciplines nations—will he not rebuke them?
He is the one who teaches mankind knowledge.
11 The Lord knows the thoughts of mankind.
He knows that they are just vapor.
12 How blessed is the person whom you discipline, O Lord,
whom you teach from your law.

13 You grant him rest in days of trouble,
until a pit is dug for the wicked.

14 For the Lord will not desert his people,
and he will never forsake those who are his own.

15 Then judgment will again be based on righteousness,
and all the upright in heart will pursue it.

16 Who will rise up for me against the wicked?
Who will take a stand for me against evildoers?

17 Unless the Lord had been my helper,
my soul would soon have dwelt in silence.

18When I said, “My foot has slipped,”
your mercy, Lord, upheld me.

19 When my worries within me were many,
your comfort brought joy to my soul.

20 Can a destructive throne be allied with you,
one that creates injustice by its decrees?

21 They band together against the life of the righteous,
and they condemn innocent blood.

22 But the Lord has become my fortress,
and my God is the rock where I take refuge.

23 Then he will repay them for their iniquity,
and he will destroy them for their wickedness.
The Lord our God will destroy them

I say
So I say we are all born wicked ----in God's eyes ----we have a depraved Nature in God's eyes ----we are separated Spiritually from God in God's eyes ------we are classed as sinners in God's eyes ----what we think doesn't matter ---we are shaped in Iniquity and this word is never talked about in the main stream churches ----

What is iniquity
Strong's Concordance
avon: iniquity, guilt, punishment for iniquity
fault, iniquity, mischief, punishment of iniquity, sin
perversity, i.e. (moral) evil -- fault, iniquity, mischeif, punishment (of iniquity), sin.
Psalms 51 is David Speaking -----

So to answer this question you have here --

or that EVERY human can be judged as one or the other?

All I know from Scripture is that every person will be judge by one or the other ------and the scripture is clear how the wicked and the righteous will be judged ------you may not agree with what the scripture says ---but again --it matters not what we think ----we will all bow before God in our end and He will be the judge -----that is just how i see it ------

 

[BetteTheRed]

So, unsafe, your God doesn't get nuance.

A person who has no faith their entire life, does good deeds regularly because they're a nice person with a good conscience and is just a kind, not hurtful person. Versus a person with some real character flaws, who has done some awful things, but is fervently born again. Does God prefer the latter?

 

[Luce NDs]

So, unsafe, your God doesn't get nuance.

A person who has no faith their entire life, does good deeds regularly because they're a nice person with a good conscience and is just a kind, not hurtful person. Versus a person with some real character flaws, who has done some awful things, but is fervently born again. Does God prefer the latter?

Does nuance make God a bit nebulous and a fuzzy concept that cannot be accepted by those eternally determined they are coherent about the theory of everything (that's God)? There fore when Jesus looked up he was with Thomas ... doubting ... as so too will we enter the great unknown ... for reason to be declothed ... thus essences revealed ...

 

[unsafe]

A person who has no faith their entire life, does good deeds regularly because they're a nice person with a good conscience and is just a kind, not hurtful person. Versus a person with some real character flaws, who has done some awful things, but is fervently born again. Does God prefer the latter?

So according to the Scripture BetteTheRed -----good works will not get you to heaven nor will being a good person without Jesus -----now you don't have to believe that ----but that is what God says -----so if you want to think that because you go to church every Sunday ---help your neighbour from time to time ---sing in the quire ----serve in the soup kitchen and do all great deeds and God will say OH you were a good person so I give you a free pass to heaven --then you can believe that ----it makes no different to me ------

According to scripture ----Jesus is the only way to reside in heaven ---in Christianity -----

I have no idea what your Religion teaches----------- but for True Christianity -----Jesus makes it clear ---that only through Him you get to the Father who resided in Heaven ------so your either believe the scripture or you don't ----very simple -----

So this word--- through---- in Greek means ----
Strong's Concordance
dia: through, on account of, because of-----

So you get to heaven on account of or because of Jesus who paid your sin debt in full---




Now for this you quote

Versus a person with some real character flaws, who has done some awful things, but is fervently born again. Does God prefer the latter?

Well According to Scripture ----when you become Born Again and have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit you are deemed Righteous and heaven worthy in God's eyes --what we think is irrelevant ----

So if the person remains doing awful things then they would not be Truly Born Again as one takes on a Christ like character when they are Born Again and Jesus never did awful things in His Father's eyes -------the Old Character is made New in God's Eyes asPer Scripture------what we think is again irrelevant ------it is all about What God Thinks ------and how God sees us in His eyes -----

So again your Religion may teach you different but Scripture is clear that one must be Born Again to enter or See The Kingdom of God ------You don't have to believe this ---that is your right ----

this is Jesus speaking here ------so you and others can interpret this anyway you like----but this is very plain in what it says in my opinion -----



The Greek word for Born Again

HELPS Word-studies
313 anagennáō (from 303 /aná, "up, again," which intensifies 1080 /gennáō, "give birth") – properly, born-again or "born from on high."

313 /anagennáō ("born again, from above") is used twice in the NT (1 Pet 1:3,23) – both times referring to God regenerating a believer (giving a supernatural, new birth)

 

[Luce NDs]

We are carried here in delite and in the event of a later carry (bourne theory) we are bared of all physical secularity and once again out there ... indicating the unseen as beyond us!

This is excessive for a person of literal protocol to bear if without the abstract "i" said to be black and occult as you cannot observe it from in there where you are at! Two "i"s are better than 1 and the third allows observation in even deeper dominions ... once known as Moe in eastern philosophy rejected by conflicted western desires without a doubt! Thus Eris 'n disturbances in the mental domain beyond secular dime 'n Zions ... Claire?

A friend, a man of colour, said once that when pared down to bare soul ... all are a bit black (Kohl) as we fell out of what's out there ... a very mysterious realm! Enigmatic? There are those determined they know everything however what is mist in their perspective from point of hard structure ... Egg Lisa? That innate burn ... invaded Dah Vine Ci while wandering in the franc la boite ... a wooden containment providing cover ... Black Forest cuts the cake as half coquet 'd ... cocked hats? Thus goings on in the myth ... ad continuum if looked into ... tricky? These things if exuberant can swiftly turn irrational ... sometimes without cause ...

 

[jimkenney12]

The authors of those passages wrote that Jesus said those words or the author made those claims. Where is the claim that God said those things?

 

[unsafe]

The authors of those passages wrote that Jesus said those words or the author made those claims. Where is the claim that God said those thin

To answer the fist part of your Question --Jesus is God ----!00% Divine ---100% human ----in my Bible ----

To answer the second part here you say

or the author made those claims.

The author of the scripture is------ God according to the scripture ------

Have no idea what Religion your into and what your belief is ------I'm guessing Jesus to you is just a prophet and Not God ------well if that is what you believe your entitled to your belief -----

This says --- Jesus here is claiming He is God ----as is the Father and as is the Holy Spirit -----3 Persons --All ONE GOD -----different functions -----



So this was said by Jesus who is God ----


And so was this ---said by Jesus who is God ------




NOTE _here below --it says ---ALL ----it doesn't say some ---it doesn't say man alone wrote the scripture --it clearly says ----ALL Scripture is breathed Out by God -----

People also ask
What does 2nd Timothy 3 16 mean?
2 Timothy 3:16 emphasizes the divine origin and purpose of Scripture. The phrase "breathed out by God" highlights the inspiration of the Bible, asserting that its words are not merely human in origin but come directly from God.



So the Greek word ----All----- here is -----

Strong's Concordance
pas: all, every
each, every; each "part(s) of a totality"
the whole ---- 2 Timothy 3:16


Greek word for ----God breathed ----
.
Strong's Concordance
theopneustos: God-breathed, i.e. inspired by God ,due to the inspiration of God.
properly, God-breathed, referring to the divine inspiration (inbreathing) of Scripture (used only in 2 Tim 3:16).

[Inbreathing (2315 /theópneustos) relates directly to God's Spirit (Gk pneuma) which can also be translated "breath."]
I say
We can dispute this all we want to but it won't change what the Scripture Says -----

What changes is what WE as individuals believe or disbelieve ------many believe that Jesus was just a Prophet and was not God ----but that is irrelevant ---what is relevant is how God the Father sees Jesus who Scripture claims is God the Father's Son ------making Jesus God the Son ---Who by the Way is the Word incarnate ----

 

[Delightful Life]

Just interjecting that I am enjoying this. Ty unsafe n jim n bette for the discussion :3 reminds me of older, better times

 

[Luce NDs]

And few believe the extent of word as it unravels ...

 

[BetteTheRed]

NOTE _here below --it says ---ALL ----it doesn't say some ---it doesn't say man alone wrote the scripture --it clearly says ----ALL Scripture is breathed Out by God

We've had this discussion before. This passage from Paul's letters can ONLY refer to the Hebrew Scriptures. When he is writing, the only scripture is the Hebrew one. HIs letters are not considered "Scripture", NONE of the gospels have been written.

At best, there might have been the beginning of the Didache and perhaps some sayings gospels, like Thomas, under development.

And the Hebrew Scriptures probably contained both the apocrypha (which only the RCC and the Orthodox use today), and would have incorporated a knowledge of the Talmud, about which most of us know nothing.

 

[paradox3]

We've had this discussion before. This passage from Paul's letters can ONLY refer to the Hebrew Scriptures. When he is writing, the only scripture is the Hebrew one. HIs letters are not considered "Scripture", NONE of the gospels have been written.

At best, there might have been the beginning of the Didache and perhaps some sayings gospels, like Thomas, under development.

And the Hebrew Scriptures probably contained both the apocrypha (which only the RCC and the Orthodox use today), and would have incorporated a knowledge of the Talmud, about which most of us know nothing.

Agreeing with this post.

However, there are people who believe the Bible was dictated by God. Or at the very least, inspired by God to exist exactly as it is in its present form.

Viewed through this lens, historical timeframes become irrelevant. The epistles of Paul could very well refer to the future, for example.

People who think this way tend to see the bible as a single story. If you ask me, conflating the various accounts and circular reasoning is often the result.

 

[Luce NDs]

Some people firmly believe in the fuzziest logic and thus much is mist of virtue, truth and what some call gospel that is beyond their contemplation and concept uals ... jouals'? gems in essence ... powerful things like Judy'n ...