The Gospel of Mark

[Luce NDs]

What does one get with gathered bias ... the great * sometimes differing when adding another thread to the facts of what we don;t know ... which may be extensive ...

Then I was once directed to a bit of information that asterisk was a sign of god in some ancient way to indicate something deficient ... like thought when one falls for another's agendas ...

God gave you your own to learn ... get beyond the satire and look back ... or Satan get behind me as the myth goes ...

The stuff we don't know is eternal ... the Hebrew used the letter "heh" to denote space ... when room was for something to put the laurels ... something like acacia ... all prickles!

Food for strange critters ... elephants, camels and desert mules ... when all that is left on the bias must be pinned without strings ... some gaps may appear ... like trap doors in Stanfield's fabrication ...

Like a starfield tapestry that one can escape to when entranced or traumatised ... a mental off putting of reality? How does it look from the other establishment ...

 

[chansen]

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the refusal of someone who was at one time a Christian to admit their shame, repent of it and desire God to forgive them in Christ.

Well how the hell is someone like me, who is making an honest effort to blaspheme the Holy Spirit on a daily basis, supposed to achieve that?

 

[chansen]

Got it.

Do you think they spend time at these conventions discussing whether the superheroes' powers are literal or metaphorical?

What about the nature of comic books? Has it been determined if they are historical documents or persuasive essays?

Comic books have strikingly similar origins to the Bible and other religious texts. There were comic books before them, superheroes evolve over time, they have devoted fan bases...you can go on and on about the similarities between comic books and the Bible. That's not a slam against either - both are important works to the people who value them.

But comic book fans, most of them anyway, don't actually think their favourites are real. They may argue their superhero is better than your superhero, but they don't go that extra step of thinking that the fans of other franchises are due any sort of divine retribution, or that the they are due any sort of divine rewards.

Comic book fans, once derided as "geeks", are now popularly seen as quirky and somewhat cool. Contrast that to the popular views about Christians, who are increasingly seen as judgmental twits.

 

[Luce NDs]

Toons do get under the skin of the determinate ... consider the effect of Pogo and Lil Abner and their connections to old words and whispers in pines ...

Indeterminate thus extends as deep space ... a devilish enigma bothering institutions that would like to conquer rather than admire the mystery and myth of what we know about even the proximities! Metaphorical words about the same issue? Much is blue 'n off in the dark and abstract function ... relaxation sinned Rome?

Rule one: study myths ... develop balance as they are loaded!

Today we have Dilbert as an example of psychopathy! It is a virtue of subtle means ... the cartoon, I mean!

Mean may need a trip with scroo' edge ... thumb cranks? the question upper downs?

 

[blackbelt1961]

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the refusal of someone who was at one time a Christian to admit their shame, repent of it and desire God to forgive them in Christ.

actually, Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is knowing full well who the Holy Spirit or Jesus is but you attribute His works to evil spirits.

But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin. He said this because they [the Pharisees] were saying, 'He has an evil spirit'."


the one sin that will never be forgiven

 

[Luce NDs]

actually, Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is knowing full well who the Holy Spirit or Jesus is but you attribute His works to evil spirits.

But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin. He said this because they [the Pharisees] were saying, 'He has an evil spirit'."


the one sin that will never be forgiven

Being mindless about those affiliated with nothing? Little -Big man conflict ... about quality or quantity ... nothing tuit! In reality this too goes round ... staunchly!

 

[Waterfall]

actually, Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is knowing full well who the Holy Spirit or Jesus is but you attribute His works to evil spirits.

But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin. He said this because they [the Pharisees] were saying, 'He has an evil spirit'."


the one sin that will never be forgiven

Always been confused about this....why is the penalty so harsh for blasphemy towards the Holy Spirit but not so much against God or Jesus if they are considered to be one?

 

[unsafe]

Mark:3:13-19 ---This is my take on this scripture NKJV

The Twelve Apostles
13 Q)'>And He went up on the mountain and called to Him those He Himself wanted. And they came to Him. 14 Then He appointed twelve, that they might be with Him and that He might send them out to preach, 15 and to have power to heal sicknesses and to cast out demons: 16 Simon, to whom He gave the name Peter; 17 James the son of Zebedee and John the brother of James, to whom He gave the name Boanerges, that is, “Sons of Thunder”; 18 Andrew, Philip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Thomas, James the son of Alphaeus, Thaddaeus, Simon the Cananite; 19 and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed Him. And they went into a house.

unsafe says ----
Knowing what these 3 word mean here is important to understanding where the power comes from in the scripture -------

The Greek word used for call here in this scripture is
proskaleó: to call to
Original Word: προσκαλέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: proskaleó
Phonetic Spelling: (pros-kal-eh'-om-ahee)
Definition: to call to
Usage: I call to myself, summon.

unsafe says ---
So first HE calls the ones He wants -------then He appoints them ------so appoints here is the Greek for appoint means ordained ----- Mark 3:14, AV, poieo, "to make," is translated "ordained" (RV, "appointed").
Define ORDAIN | Definition for word ORDAIN Vine's Greek New Testment Dictionary ORDAIN

KJV Dictionary Definition: ordain
ordain
ORDA'IN, v.t. L. ordino, from ordo, order.

1. Properly, to set; to establish in a particular office or order; hence, to invest with a ministerial function or sacerdotal power; to introduce and establish or settle in the pastoral office with the customary forms and solemnities; as, to ordain a minister of the gospel.


unsafe says -----posting here
So only after they are ordained are they given power -------Greek word here and meaning for power

dunamis: (miraculous) power, might, strength

Definition: (miraculous) power, might, strength
Usage: (a) physical power, force, might, ability, efficacy, energy, meaning (b) plur: powerful deeds, deeds showing (physical) power, marvelous works.

HELPS Word-studies
1411 dýnamis (from 1410 /dýnamai, "able, having ability") – properly, "ability to perform" (L-N); for the believer, power to achieve by applying the Lord's inherent abilities. "Power through God's ability"

(1411/dýnamis) is needed in every scene of life to really grow in sanctification and prepare for heaven (glorification).1411 (dýnamis) is a very important term, used 120 times in the NT.


unsafe says ------
So we see here that blackbelt1961 is right in what he says ------all power comes from and through God ------

 

[blackbelt1961]

Always been confused about this....why is the penalty so harsh for blasphemy towards the Holy Spirit but not so much against God or Jesus if they are considered to be one?

that is a good question, I guess God knows best but, I would say there are those who Know who God is but fight against Him and His works, for the purpose of Power, the Pharisees knew it yet not to lose power and control they attributed Jesus works to evil spirits.

 

[Mendalla]

They may argue their superhero is better than your superhero, but they don't go that extra step of thinking that the fans of other franchises are due any sort of divine retribution, or that the they are due any sort of divine rewards.

OTOH, make a major change to their favorite character or title and boy, do the gloves come off.

 

[chansen]

Like, say, The Book of Mormon?

 

[unsafe]

Waterfall your quote ------Always been confused about this....why is the penalty so harsh for blasphemy towards the Holy Spirit but not so much against God or Jesus if they are considered to be one?

unsafe says ---Great Question ------my view
The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is our only way to eternal life -----if one blasphemes the Holy Spirit they commit the gravest of all sins and there is no way to repair that ---we have gone beyond repentance and therefore beyond any forgiveness -----

For the Born Again Christian I would say that is not a issue as anyone who has experienced the New Birth and has experienced the fruits of the Spirit would never blaspheme the Holy Spirit ------

 

[paradox3]

OTOH, make a major change to their favorite character or title and boy, do the gloves come off.

Does anyone find comic books and superheroes to be a source of spiritual wisdom? There is certainly evidence of it in Charles Schultz's work. Remember Linus when his sister Lucy told him she wished he had never been born? He replied, "Never been born? The theological implications alone are staggering."

Mr Paradox(not the one who happens to be the person of faith in our household) reads a lot of science fiction. He finds much of spiritual significance in this genre.

But I digress.

 

[chansen]

For the Born Again Christian I would say that is not a issue as anyone who has experienced the New Birth and has experienced the fruits of the Spirit would never blaspheme the Holy Spirit ------

As someone who has had many experiences with people who claim to have "experienced the fruits of the Spirit" and finding the majority of them to be complete dolts, how would you suggest I go about blaspheming the Spirit?

 

[paradox3]

unsafe says ---Great Question ------my view
The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is our only way to eternal life -----if one blasphemes the Holy Spirit they commit the gravest of all sins and there is no way to repair that ---we have gone beyond repentance and therefore beyond any forgiveness -----

Does this take us back to the house which cannot stand when divided against itself? I am thinking of the indwelling nature of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Waterfall]

Waterfall your quote ------Always been confused about this....why is the penalty so harsh for blasphemy towards the Holy Spirit but not so much against God or Jesus if they are considered to be one?

unsafe says ---Great Question ------my view
The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is our only way to eternal life -----if one blasphemes the Holy Spirit they commit the gravest of all sins and there is no way to repair that ---we have gone beyond repentance and therefore beyond any forgiveness -----

For the Born Again Christian I would say that is not a issue as anyone who has experienced the New Birth and has experienced the fruits of the Spirit would never blaspheme the Holy Spirit ------

Then we have the apostle Paul in 1 Timothy 1:13-15 Saying he was a blasphemer etc....and was forgiven because he acted in unbelief.
So whos right? Jesus or Paul? Jesus says one is unforgiven forever throughout the ages for blaspheming the Holy Spirit....no forgiveness EVER. And then Paul says oh yes there is.

 

[paradox3]

Then we have the apostle Paul in 1 Timothy 1:13-15 Saying he was a blasphemer etc....and was forgiven because he acted in unbelief.
So whos right? Jesus or Paul? Jesus says one is unforgiven forever throughout the ages for blaspheming the Holy Spirit....no forgiveness EVER. And then Paul says oh yes there is.

This might be a good question to pose over on the Born Again thread.

 

[Mendalla]

Does anyone find comic books and superheroes to be a source of spiritual wisdom?

Oh, definitely. Joseph Campbell quite correctly noted that superheroes are the modern version of ancient mythic heroes (some, e.g. Marvel's Thor, ARE ancient mythic heroes) and symbolize much the same sorts of things. Superman as a Christ figure alone has been a fairly common theme over the years, let alone other heroes. The only comic series I've ever found especially spiritual is Neil Gaiman's Sandman from the nineties, which is about a figure who is the personification of dreams and stories. Some amazing takes on classic myths in there, including Lucifer giving up being Lord of Hell and handing the keys to Hell over to the titular character who must decide who to give them to.

 

[Mendalla]

Then we have the apostle Paul in 1 Timothy 1:13-15 Saying he was a blasphemer etc....and was forgiven because he acted in unbelief.
So whos right? Jesus or Paul? Jesus says one is unforgiven forever throughout the ages for blaspheming the Holy Spirit....no forgiveness EVER. And then Paul says oh yes there is.

Did Paul meet the standard for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, though? Jesus seems pretty specific on that particular point and what it is.

 

[Waterfall]

This might be a good question to pose over on the Born Again thread.

I feel it relates to Mark 3:28-29.