The Gospel of Mark

[Jaebius]

@Jae , @Redbaron , @unsafe , are you going to relate all this back to Mark at some point?

Yeah... heh-heh... that would be nice, wouldn't it.

 

[Luce NDs]

'Once they are Christians?' If the choice is God's, when does THAT happen? If they're already'in', why bother to repoent or change, if it makes no difference in God's previously- determined decision?

God is the beast in the physical realm ... look how Caesar and other tyrants incarnated ... by brute force while thought recessed ... tis a psyche conjuration ... not encompassed by those overwhelmed by wills ...

The essence of light comes down to earth for this experience ... kind of out there or boundary condition as an instance ... as compared to generalised weal thing ... go figure!

Oh I forgot one cannot figure without the beneficence of the functioning sol ... an inner share of what's out there and about! Wandering parts like honking angels! Migrants ... biosynthesis starts here ... symbiotics?

 

[Redbaron]

Why would Jesus use the allegory of a wedding to refer to his time with the disciples or his ministry? Because it is something to celebrate? Something out of the ordinary? This story falls very early in his ministry. . . maybe the church as it is later established could be considered the actual "marriage."

The idea of a wedding-- a time of joy, yet a time of transition, a beginning, yet a continuation (a rite of passage); an event (or process) that does not destroy everything old, but transforms it into new things. Certainly a time of celebration,and out of the ordinary joy. Days may come when joy may seem distant, but the wedding, the marriage, the new creation is still there.

 

[paradox3]

I am not entirely sure about the teaching on fasting. Jesus seems to be saying that his presence is cause for celebration and that overrides the requirement to fast. Which, if one accepts that he is God incarnate, might make sense. Certainly, it seems to once again be a rebuke to the authorities strict legalistic approach to the law.

The sayings about old cloth and new garments and new wine in old skins seem a easier. He is saying that old ways must be abandoned completely or you risk damaging/contaminating the new ways. Given that there are no references to covenant here, it's speculation to say that's what it refers to. It could also refer to a new way of living the law versus the one being taught and enforced by the temple authorities.

You could take it broader, too, by reading it as a message about the need for a "clean start" rather than carrying bit of the past into our new life, perhaps after we are "born again".

While fasting as a spiritual discipline is mentioned many times in the Hebrew scriptures, the Law only requires fasting on Yom Kippur or the Day of Atonement. So Jesus might be a rebuking the false piety of the Pharisees more than their view of the Law.

As for abandoning the old ways, it is easy to read the passage as advocating a New Covenant. Yet we know the separation of Judaism and Christianity into separate faiths is many decades ahead in history. I think it is more likely Jesus is discussing renewal of some sort.

 

[paradox3]

Yeah... heh-heh... that would be nice, wouldn't it.

Let's give it a go!

 

[Luce NDs]

Let's give it a go!

That pass quick as fast ... and we'll believe it as organization! More the same ... chaos?????????

Intelligence is out of it ... as tall thin king persona's are out ... we are an emotional-spirited bunch ...

Can such essence end? Move on-to-logically departed topics ... logos and the understanding is sub dude in the ballad ...

Dissonant dervishes ... incarnating as Eris in the word grid? Complex Ci Shue ... Ochings? Foot seize ...

Foot washings are a shame in some traditions ... tense taos ...

 

[paradox3]

The idea of a wedding-- a time of joy, yet a time of transition, a beginning, yet a continuation (a rite of passage); an event (or process) that does not destroy everything old, but transforms it into new things. Certainly a time of celebration,and out of the ordinary joy. Days may come when joy may seem distant, but the wedding, the marriage, the new creation is still there.

I really like this focus on transformation and new creation. Jesus might also be saying there is a time for everything. . . a time for celebration and a time for mourning & fasting.

 

[paradox3]

For such a plain spoken guy, Jesus can certainly be enigmatic at times.

 

[Mendalla]

For such a plain spoken guy, Jesus can certainly be enigmatic at times.

Mark's style so far of short, pithy stories with "punchlines" doesn't help. They are almost like Buddhist koans at times, existing more to force mindful contemplation than to directly teach.

 

[Luce NDs]

Remember the day of epiphany ... and elsewhere fanny is something else ...

Epi ---it meant “upon,” “on,” “over,” “near,” “at,” “before,” “after” Wiki'd right?​

 

[Luce NDs]

Mark's style so far of short, pithy stories with "punchlines" doesn't help. They are almost like Buddhist koans at times, existing more to force mindful contemplation than to directly teach.

Koans ... goons in the coniferous tree? ... Conical delights of seed ... all over the snow in the back of the hoes ... housing! Sometimes temporal shelter for an anxious sol ...

These can explode in heated conditions ... an evolution of Nut? Egyptian stretch of nature ... from PSalms ... meaning a given ... like Grace was to George ...

Gracie come up with great need of response ...

 

[unsafe]

Jae ---your quote ------ First, to "declare" something need not mean "to speak with words" unsafe.

This is the Greek word used in the scripture I posted Jae -------your back peddling Jae -----

HELPS Word-studies
3670 homologéō (from 3674 /homoú, "together" and 3004 /légō, "speak to a conclusion") – properly, to voice the same conclusion, i.e. agree ("confess"); to profess (confess) because in full agreement; to align with (endorse).

[3670 /homologéō ("confess") means to speak the same thing, i.e. "assent, agree with, confess, declare, admit" (Vine, Unger, White, NT, 120).]

unsafe says ---no matter how you look at it no infant can do these things ----and you have written on this sight that your sins were forgiven and your saved when you were an infant ----this is False Doctrine and Wrongly dividing God's word ----Period ++++++++++

 

[Jaebius]

Jae ---your quote ------ First, to "declare" something need not mean "to speak with words" unsafe.

This is the Greek word used in the scripture I posted Jae -------your back peddling Jae -----

HELPS Word-studies
3670 homologéō (from 3674 /homoú, "together" and 3004 /légō, "speak to a conclusion") – properly, to voice the same conclusion, i.e. agree ("confess"); to profess (confess) because in full agreement; to align with (endorse).

[3670 /homologéō ("confess") means to speak the same thing, i.e. "assent, agree with, confess, declare, admit" (Vine, Unger, White, NT, 120).]

unsafe says ---no matter how you look at it no infant can do these things ----and you have written on this sight that your sins were forgiven and your saved when you were an infant ----this is False Doctrine and Wrongly dividing God's word ----Period ++++++++++

Still waiting for you to actually address the comments I made regarding your decision theology unsafe.

 

[unsafe]

Jae ----What decision theology are you talking about ??????????

 

[Luce NDs]

Divine theology is about separated ascent ... thus the fall to give angels a break ... decidedly noticeable in humanity ... we get few things connected ... especially in pious scism ... decidedly!

Anthropomorphism is a odd, or even gae split in psyche ... creating howls in the night when attached ... big odds?

This is the off ends to a hoard ...

 

[paradox3]

Is it time to start a new thread? On decision theology, infant baptism or salvation?

Keep in mind a spin off thread could result in interest from others who might not be following this one.

 

[Lastpointe]

The idea of a wedding-- a time of joy, yet a time of transition, a beginning, yet a continuation (a rite of passage); an event (or process) that does not destroy everything old, but transforms it into new things. Certainly a time of celebration,and out of the ordinary joy. Days may come when joy may seem distant, but the wedding, the marriage, the new creation is still there.

That is our thoughts now about a wedding. But is it an accurate description of a wedding in biblical times?

A wedding was also seen as a joining of two families. Or as a transaction, bride and dowry sold to groom. A way to financially improve the families.

It is quite possible that bride and groom did not meet. Quite possible no love at the wedding. But the expectation th bride would care for the groom. Often a young bride and an old groom



Just throwing out the thought that we read the story through the eyes of our time

 

[Luce NDs]

That is our thoughts now about a wedding. But is it an accurate description of a wedding in biblical times?

A wedding was also seen as a joining of two families. Or as a transaction, bride and dowry sold to groom. A way to financially improve the families.

It is quite possible that bride and groom did not meet. Quite possible no love at the wedding. But the expectation th bride would care for the groom. Often a young bride and an old groom



Just throwing out the thought that we read the story through the eyes of our time

Visiting sects ... contained husbandry due to the never love a strange rule .. is the sol a strange etude? Resembles psychology, sociology and such divisive movements ... pious schism!

This is an essence out there ... boundary conditions ... guarded bridges as arches ... red flags and all ...

 

[paradox3]

That is our thoughts now about a wedding. But is it an accurate description of a wedding in biblical times?

A wedding was also seen as a joining of two families. Or as a transaction, bride and dowry sold to groom. A way to financially improve the families.

It is quite possible that bride and groom did not meet. Quite possible no love at the wedding. But the expectation th bride would care for the groom. Often a young bride and an old groom



Just throwing out the thought that we read the story through the eyes of our time

Agreed that weddings would have been seen differently than we view them today. This something to consider for sure as we contemplate the meaning of the passage.

Day to day existence would have been bleak for many in biblical times. Could it be that weddings still provided an opportunity to celebrate something and take a break from toil?

Interesting that Sabbath observance will be addressed next in Mark 2.

 

[Mendalla]

That is our thoughts now about a wedding. But is it an accurate description of a wedding in biblical times?

A wedding was also seen as a joining of two families. Or as a transaction, bride and dowry sold to groom. A way to financially improve the families.

It is quite possible that bride and groom did not meet. Quite possible no love at the wedding. But the expectation th bride would care for the groom. Often a young bride and an old groom



Just throwing out the thought that we read the story through the eyes of our time

I am not sure any of that invalidates Red's point, though. They may have been celebrating something different, but it was still a celebration. Essentially, the idea of Jesus as bridegroom signifies humanity being received into God's family, if you like, rather than a one-on-one love relationship between human and God.