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unsafe said:
paradox3 ---your quote -----Five disciples have been chosen so far. . . four fishermen in Mark 1 and the tax collector in Mark 2. Any ideas about why they were chosen? Did Jesus pick them at random? Did Jesus pick them for any particular reason? Was their selection preordained?

unsafe says ====this is my take on why God chose the fishermen -------Fishermen are adaptable to their surroundings and are hard working loyal dependable people because catching fish is their livelihood ----they know what equipment they need to do the job ---they have to be alert and observant to their environment and not mine being without sleep if necessary to bring home the food --they need to know what kind of nets and bait to use to catch the fish they are fishing ------So they already have the qualities and stamina that is needed to be Fishers of Men ------


unsafe says -----As far as the tax collector goes -----Levi was a Jew and was working for the Romans ----he invited other tax collectors and sinners to his house so it says to me his heart was open to accepting Jesus teaching -----again just my view ------

They all could have heard John The Baptise Preach before Jesus came so they could have had some exposure to John's preaching of the coming Messiah ??????

This I Know as it is scriptural ----- Jesus did nothing on His own He did what His Father directed Him To do Jesus was sent to pave the way for the New Covenant by preaching IT and then Bringing it to Pass by dying on the Cross ----God opened these men's hearts to following Jesus as soon as He said follow me ---they left straight way and followed Him ------they left their boats just as they were and never looked back and Levi followed without hesitation as well -----this is my belief ----they were called and responded to the call -------


unsafe posting here below ------this is an interesting read

What is the Meaning of 'Fishers of Men' Phrase? Elaborated Here

Lost in Translation!

'Fishers of men' in the Greek language is halieis anthrôpos. The word 'halieis' is used for someone who works at the sea, or someone who has to do with the sea. 'Anthrôpos' means mankind or humanity.

Therefore, the accurate meaning of the phrase may be described as working at the sea to catch (save) humanity, not how it is usually misunderstood that Jesus is referring to catch men physically. It is more about their spiritual salvation.

The Holy Bible has answers to every possible dilemma that this world can put on our way to seek the truth. It is just that the answers are not as direct as we wish them to be and are often misinterpreted by many. Jesus always answered questions using another question, or by means of parables. He also said in Matthew 13:9 ESV, "He who has ears to hear, let him hear." By saying this, He didn't address the physical deafness, but the spiritual deafness of the people. This spiritual deafness is something we experience even today. Our thoughts are overpowered by worldly customs and beliefs.

Therefore, the words that were uttered by our Savior more than two thousand years ago are often misunderstood, manipulated, and even falsely portrayed by the non-believers.

The phrase 'fishers of men' is interpreted in various ways by many. While some say that this phrase was used by Jesus because he was talking to Andrew and Simon Peter, as both were fishermen,
others say that the link goes back to the Old Testament, in Jeremiah 16:16, where God promises to send many fishers to help the people on earth. -----The Link With Jeremiah 16:16
The following excerpt is taken from Jeremiah 16:16, from the English Standard Version of the Holy Bible.

16 Behold, I am sending for many fishers, declares the LORD, and they shall catch them. And afterward I will send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain and every hill, and out of the clefts of the rocks.

Many experts believe that Jesus used the phrase 'fishers of men' in relevance with the aforementioned verse of the Old Testament. In doing so, He is announcing to these men that the promised one has come to save the people on earth. When analyzing the two verses―Jeremiah 16:16 and Matthew 4:18-20―it may be implied that Jesus was actually asking Simon and Andrew to follow his footsteps and take part in the process of hunting sinners and catching lost souls, in the same way that they caught fish in the net.

Many experts doubt if Jesus used this phrase to make a connection with the Old Testament prophecy, or if it was just his way to connect with them using words that matched their occupation; only now, they had to use their skills for a higher purpose, which is to save mankind for which the Lord will give them the strength and knowledge that is needed.
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Oh boy. More prophesy fulfilled!
 
Jae said:
As you know, I believe differently. I hold that Jesus does call certain people to follow him while passing by the rest.
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So on what basis do you think He decides who to call and who to pass by?
 
Jae ---your quote ------But wait - @unsafe has claimed numerous times in the past that she thinks everyone's will is free.


No unsafe has not said that People have a choice when it comes to God Plan ------God will use who He wishes to make His Plan come to pass ---no one will stop God Plan from laying out ------Period
 
unsafe said:
Jae ---your quote ------But wait - @unsafe has claimed numerous times in the past that she thinks everyone's will is free.


No unsafe has not said that People have a choice when it comes to God Plan ------God will use who He wishes to make His Plan come to pass ---no one will stop God Plan from laying out ------Period
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Yet you have said numerous times in the past that you believe we all have free will (for example in deciding for Jesus), have you not.
 
unsafe said: ↑
or if it was just his way to connect with them using words that matched their occupation

No Mendalla unsafe personally did not say this statement don't lie Mendalla ----Period +++++++
 
Jae ----Get This ---No one has Free Will to choose to change God Sovereign Plan -----If God want to use someone to bring about His Plan to His Will it will happen His way there is no choice -------Paul ------Judas ---Jonah ----and the like had no free will they were used to bring about what God wanted done in His Plan -----

We only have free will to choose what decisions we make in our daily lives only and we have free will to Choose to accept or reject free offer of Salvation ----Period +++++++++
 
unsafe said:
unsafe said: ↑
or if it was just his way to connect with them using words that matched their occupation

No Mendalla unsafe personally did not say this statement don't lie Mendalla ----Period +++++++
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@unsafe it was in your post and I used the quote function. No lying involved. Anyone here can verify that. If you were getting that part of your post from another source, then you really need to learn to set off stuff you quote from your own statements, even if just by using quotation marks.
 
unsafe said:
Jae ----Get This ---No one has Free Will to choose to change God Sovereign Plan -----If God want to use someone to bring about His Plan to His Will it will happen His way there is no choice -------Paul ------Judas ---Jonah ----and the like had no free will they were used to bring about what God wanted done in His Plan -----

We only have free will to choose what decisions we make in our daily lives only and we have free will to Choose to accept or reject free offer of Salvation ----Period +++++++++
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So... we have free will, but we don't? Reminds me of your saying that to be saved everyone need choose Jesus, except for those too young to. What theological gymnastics stem from decision theology.
 
Jae said:
So... we have free will, but we don't? Reminds me of your saying that to be saved everyone need choose Jesus, except for those too young to. What theological gymnastics stem from decision theology.
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What is wrong with saying someone is too young to make a choice to accept Jesus?
 
paradox3 said:
What is wrong with saying someone is too young to make a choice to accept Jesus?
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Jae is pointing out the inconsistency in unsafe's theology. Apparently, Jesus can save you without a choice to believe if you're too young or otherwise can't make the decision yourself, but capable adults have to make the decision or Jesus won't save them. Of course, if one believes in grace, then it's moot. No decision is required save by God.
 
Jae said:
Dissuade someone from what exactly Bette?
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Think, Jae, Think. It would dissuade from even trying to follow after God. If the decision is God's, and is already made, nothing we decide or nothing we do can change it. If God has decided we are doomed, then helping all the elderly in the universe across the busy streets isn't going to help us. If God had decided we are 'elect', then teargassing all the migrant women and children who happen to be on the wrong side of an international border isn't going to hurt our chances. There's absolutely no motivation for change or repentance or transformation, if the decision is already rendered by forces beyond our control. We're just automotons, going through the motions.
 
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